Election commission be reconstituted, demands PTI

[shahbaz baig]

Election commission be reconstituted, demands PTI
By News Desk
Published: July 19, 2017


Hours after Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) leaders walked-out from a parliamentary meeting discussing electoral reforms, party chairman Imran Khan said they had “serious reservations” over the existing Election Commission of Pakistan (ECP), demanding the body be reconstituted.

“Reconstitution of the ECP is imperative before the upcoming general elections owing to the lack of trust political parties have in the existing set-up,” he told reporters on Wednesday evening.

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Imran demanded that overseas Pakistanis be given the right to vote as they send billions of rupees to the country every year.

Moreover, he said, the caretaker government must be selected after taking all parties on-board.

The PTI chairman also put forth a demand to introduce bio-metric identification system in the forthcoming polls.

 

[Kabira]

Overseas Pakistan should never be allowed to vote for obvious reasons. Biometric machines can be hacked. Best and safest election is still the old way. ECP have gradually improved things since 2013 election to make it more transparent.

 

[shahbaz baig]

Pakistani brain drain, intellectual are living abroad they should have right to vote in election so they can also show their patriotism with Pakistan.

but before implementation of bio-metric identification system, there is detail technical investigation require of NADRA system, i heard UK/US based intelligence had API, Devices attached with NADRA system during PPP era 2009

US and UK Had Access to NADRA Database: Wikileaks

 

[expert]

Overseas Pakistan should never be allowed to vote for obvious reasons. Biometric machines can be hacked. Best and safest election is still the old way. ECP have gradually improved things since 2013 election to make it more transparent.

Yes. That's the exactly reason we have always had allegations of fraud and rigging in every election since 2013. The only reason PML and PPP don't want biometric machines is because they will be impossible to manipulate. If machines were so easy to hack, how has NADRA's biometric information never been compromised? How have the cellular companies and banks managed to keep such sensitive data safe? How do other countries such as India manage to implement biometrics? They're using lame excuses to hide their real reason.

Can you explain the obvious reason why overseas Pakistanis should never be allowed to vote while the Prime Minster's family can hold citizenships of other countries? The reason why PML and PPP don't want to allow it is simple: 99% of overseas Pakistanis would vote for anyone but PML and PPP.

 

[Kabira]

Yes. That's the exactly reason we have always had allegations of fraud and rigging in every election since 2013. The only reason PML and PPP don't want biometric machines is because they will be impossible to manipulate. If machines were so easy to hack, how has NADRA's biometric information never been compromised? How have the cellular companies and banks managed to keep such sensitive data safe? How do other countries such as India manage to implement biometrics? They're using lame excuses to hide their real reason.

Can you explain the obvious reason why overseas Pakistanis should never be allowed to vote while the Prime Minster's family can hold citizenships of other countries? The reason why PML and PPP don't want to allow it is simple: 99% of overseas Pakistanis would vote for anyone but PML and PPP.

2013 election were largely fair. If anything Taliban support to PTI allowed them to win in KP over ANP who were hunted down and killed. We also used to believe MQM got vote by force from poor muhajirs, now there is no MQM militant wing to close down Karachi and Altaf has been declared traitor. Yet still MQM keep getting votes.

Now coming back to overseas Pak. They vote for superficial things sitting in safe heavens while locals will vote for someone who is best for their tehsil. PTI can give give ticket to incompetent, crimnal, corrupt candidate and win based on overseas votes.

Time is important factor, Pak election finish by 8PM in Pakistan. So by the time its 8PM in UK they will already know results of Pak election and can do dhandli based on that.

 

[Syed1.]

Overseas Pakistan should never be allowed to vote for obvious reasons. Biometric machines can be hacked. Best and safest election is still the old way. ECP have gradually improved things since 2013 election to make it more transparent.

Anybody who has Pakistani passport/NIC/NICOP should be allowed to vote whether living in Pakistan or Mars.

 

[shahbaz baig]

2013 election were largely fair. If anything Taliban support to PTI allowed them to win in KP over ANP who were hunted down and killed. We also used to believe MQM got vote by force from poor muhajirs, now there is no MQM militant wing to close down Karachi and Altaf has been declared traitor. Yet still MQM keep getting votes.

Now coming back to overseas Pak. They vote for superficial things sitting in safe heavens while locals will vote for someone who is best for their tehsil. PTI can give give ticket to incompetent, crimnal, corrupt candidate and win based on overseas votes.

Time is important factor, Pak election finish by 8PM in Pakistan. So by the time its 8PM in UK they will already know results of Pak election and can do dhandli based on that.

your concerns are right.. please everybody note down that after detail technical investigation of NADRA system.. there should be reform in election commission as this nice person pointed out.

there should always a way to find if you want.

candidate should be "Sadiq Ameen" with atleast Gradation Degree for tehsil, you can also negotiate on voting time duration it may be for 3 days.. and you guys have more knowledge then me so reform by your self.

ye watan tmhara hai ye watan hamara hai, jesy hm ny sawarna hai

 

[expert]

2013 election were largely fair. If anything Taliban support to PTI allowed them to win in KP over ANP who were hunted down and killed. We also used to believe MQM got vote by force from poor muhajirs, now there is no MQM militant wing to close down Karachi and Altaf has been declared traitor. Yet still MQM keep getting votes.

Not one party apart from PML were satisfied with the elections.

Now coming back to overseas Pak. They vote for superficial things sitting in safe heavens while locals will vote for someone who is best for their tehsil. PTI can give give ticket to incompetent, crimnal, corrupt candidate and win based on overseas votes.

Time is important factor, Pak election finish by 8PM in Pakistan. So by the time its 8PM in UK they will already know results of Pak election and can do dhandli based on that.

Do you even understand how overseas voting works in other countries? In the USA, you have to go to to local consulate/embassy to register your vote. Some countries allow postal voting. In all cases, this happens a few days before the general election day.

 

[VCheng]

Can you explain the obvious reason why overseas Pakistanis should never be allowed to vote while the Prime Minster's family can hold citizenships of other countries? The reason why PML and PPP don't want to allow it is simple: 99% of overseas Pakistanis would vote for anyone but PML and PPP.

Overseas Pakistanis should just send their remittances, not their opinions.

 

[Kabira]

Not one party apart from PML were satisfied with the elections.



Do you even understand how overseas voting works in other countries? In the USA, you have to go to to local consulate/embassy to register your vote. Some countries allow postal voting. In all cases, this happens a few days before the general election day.

Of course only PML will be happy looking at results, doesn't mean it wasn't fair. Wake up, Nawaz has won 4 elections while PTI babrely can win few seats.

What others countries do shouldn't concern Pakistan. We need to look at ground reality, we are not USA. Overseas voting mean 100% dhandli.

Overseas Pakistanis should just send their remittances, not their opinions.

They send remittances to their relatives and not national treasure. They can come back and vote.

 

[Finer]

Overseas Pakistan should never be allowed to vote for obvious reasons. Biometric machines can be hacked. Best and safest election is still the old way. ECP have gradually improved things since 2013 election to make it more transparent.

I agree with that. Overseas Pakistan should not be allowed to vote through the online. This is one point i agree with @Zibago concerning the reservation of overseas Pakistan.

As overseas Pakistanis, we can only offer opinions which carry zero value [yet that bothers Imranistan] but as for the voting, only local should be allowed to vote especially those who are born and bred and still remain resident in Pakistan.

 

[Imad.Khan]

Pakistani brain drain, intellectual are living abroad they should have right to vote in election so they can also show their patriotism with Pakistan.

but before implementation of bio-metric identification system, there is detail technical investigation require of NADRA system, i heard UK/US based intelligence had API, Devices attached with NADRA system during PPP era 2009

US and UK Had Access to NADRA Database: Wikileaks

Thats the reason that all the baboons are against overseas Pakistani voting. Its ok to take our money but they would not provide us any rights.

Australia provides their overseas citizens right to vote.
http://www.austexpatinvestor.com/voting-in-australian-elections-while-living-overseas/

I have personally seen French citizens in Australia voting for the recent French elections.
http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2017/04/24/french-voters-australia-buck-turnout-trend

UK allows its citizens to vote when abroad
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/0/can-british-expats-abroad-vote-general-election/

US allows its out of country citizens to vote as well
https://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/abroad/legal-matters/benefits/voting.html

As for bio-metric system being hackable, Nadra had come up with a solution, a joint electronic and paper system. They way it works that the identity of the voter is verified by bio-metric system, once identified the voter proceeds to the voting machine booth. Where he selects the from one of the available candidates on the screen. Once confirmed the machines prints a paper with the voters selection, the voter then puts that paper in the ballot box. This system eliminates many of the existing issues which i will list below

1. Confirms the voters identity
2. Double voting issue eliminated
3. No one can steal your vote, even if they know your CNIC number.
4. Eliminates invalid votes
5. If the paper votes and the votes in the machine counter do not match, it will identify ballot stuffing and the votes of that polling station would be cancelled.
6. No need for the expensive magnatic ink.
7. Faster paced and requires less staff.

 

[shahbaz baig]

Thats the reason that all the baboons are against overseas Pakistani voting. Its ok to take our money but they would not provide us any rights

neither i emphasized to vote Nawaz nor imran. if am not allowed to vote then i am not interested to see the performance of any political party, and seriously i dont know the ground realities of Pak politics, that's why i dont follow any political statement in Pakistan. i am just interested in Pakistan foreign affairs & Pak Army (The Real and sincere Organization with Pak).

 

[VCheng]

They send remittances to their relatives and not national treasure. They can come back and vote.

It is those very remittances in hard currencies that help balance Pakistan's adverse balance of payments, so yes, those are a national treasure. But Pakistan does not want their opinions to be counted, only their money.

 

[Kabira]

It is those very remittances in hard currencies that help balance Pakistan's adverse balance of payments, so yes, those are a national treasure. But Pakistan does not want their opinions to be counted, only their money.

Without their remittances there will not be as much demand to import. They can ask their relatives who receive money to vote for party they like.

Thats the reason that all the baboons are against overseas Pakistani voting. Its ok to take our money but they would not provide us any rights.

Australia provides their overseas citizens right to vote.
http://www.austexpatinvestor.com/voting-in-australian-elections-while-living-overseas/

I have personally seen French citizens in Australia voting for the recent French elections.
http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2017/04/24/french-voters-australia-buck-turnout-trend

UK allows its citizens to vote when abroad
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/0/can-british-expats-abroad-vote-general-election/

US allows its out of country citizens to vote as well
https://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/abroad/legal-matters/benefits/voting.html

As for bio-metric system being hackable, Nadra had come up with a solution, a joint electronic and paper system. They way it works that the identity of the voter is verified by bio-metric system, once identified the voter proceeds to the voting machine booth. Where he selects the from one of the available candidates on the screen. Once confirmed the machines prints a paper with the voters selection, the voter then puts that paper in the ballot box. This system eliminates many of the existing issues which i will list below

1. Confirms the voters identity
2. Double voting issue eliminated
3. No one can steal your vote, even if they know your CNIC number.
4. Eliminates invalid votes
5. If the paper votes and the votes in the machine counter do not match, it will identify ballot stuffing and the votes of that polling station would be cancelled.
6. No need for the expensive magnatic ink.
7. Faster paced and requires less staff.

This Nadra system failed and money wasted.