Egypt president says need growing for joint Arab force

[Malik Alashter]

Well when your very own "Paramilitary troops" threaten to invade and destroy Saudi Arabia every chance they get, that's not the kind of people who should have an army equal to or stronger than the core army.



You will have an illusion of a democracy similar to the one Iran, Lebanon and Syria has. That is putting it as concise as I possibly can.

Idon't think so for some reasonns at least the biggest is the top clerics in Iraq supporting democracy, and the power sharing between all Iraqis trust me if that old man sau something no one will have the balls to reject it. The only thing I wish happen which is the Sunni arab involve in constructive way in this regime our country will prosper and it will be a power house.

 

[Mosamania]

Idon't think so for some reasonns at least the biggest is the top clerics in Iraq supporting democracy, and the power sharing between all Iraqis trust me if that old man sau something no one will have the balls to reject it. The only thing I wish happen which is the Sunni arab involve in constructive way in this regime our country will prosper and it will be a power house.

Do you support Al-Maliki's wanton execution of many Sunni heads of state and even the calls for arrest of his own vice-president and sentencing him to death the very next day the American troops left? Sunnis felt betrayed by this incident in Iraq, so instead of some of you saying "Sunnis should prove their loyalty", I would say the Iraqi government is the one with something to prove here.

Sentencing the highest serving Sunni to death 5 times is hardly something that Sunnis can look at trustfully.

 

[Malik Alashter]

Do you support Al-Maliki's wanton execution of many Sunni heads of state and even the calls for arrest of his own vice-president and sentencing him to death the very next day the American troops left? Sunnis felt betrayed by this incident in Iraq, so instead of some of you saying "Sunnis should prove their loyalty", I would say the Iraqi government is the one with something to prove here.

Sentencing the highest serving Sunni to death 5 times is hardly something that Sunnis can look at trustfully.

If we talk justice then yes those politicians supported terrorism helped to spread chaos in the country! it's not about they been sunnis it's about bring to justice those who helped to unstable the country otherwise we have many sunnis in the government no one bother them.

 

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Do you support Al-Maliki's wanton execution of many Sunni heads of state and even the calls for arrest of his own vice-president and sentencing him to death the very next day the American troops left? Sunnis felt betrayed by this incident in Iraq, so instead of some of you saying "Sunnis should prove their loyalty", I would say the Iraqi government is the one with something to prove here.

It's more complicated than simply arresting politicians for their religious background. The VP, Tareq al Hashimi that was 'sentenced to death' not that I know but let's say it is so is from the Islamic party which is Iraq's MB. He has a deeper agenda with the help of Qatar & Erdogan. The main problems with Maliki were his corruption and incompetence.

 

[Mosamania]

If we talk justice then yes those politicians supported terrorism helped to spread chaos in the country! it's not about they been sunnis it's about bring to justice those who helped to unstable the country otherwise we have many sunnis in the government no one bother them.

You don't honestly believe that do you? Here is what the Interpol had to say regarding these accusations:

"On October, 8th 2013 INTERPOL canceled the red notice against Al Hashimi and distribute the decision to all member States. The INTERPOL's decision read "The International Criminal Police Organization Secretariat has fully investigated the allegations against Tareq Al Hashimi. The Organizations' Secretariat believes the Iraqi government's request lacks legal justification. The Iraqi government has submitted information and documents which lacked quality. Therefore; the INTERPOL's Secretariat has decided on October, 8th 2013 to cancel the red notice against Al Hashimi and distribute the decision to all member States"."

So even the Interpol sees these allegations to be dodgy.

It's more complicated than simply arresting politicians for their religious background. The VP, Tareq al Hashimi that was 'sentenced to death' not that I know but let's say it is so is from the Islamic party which is Iraq's MB. He has a deeper agenda with the help of Qatar & Erdogan. The main problems with Maliki were his corruption and incompetence.

While I deeply despise the MB, however sentencing a man to death 5 times over in the span of 2 months is dodgy as all hell, and yes this absolutely created a huge rift and mistrust from the Sunni population towards the Iraqi government, and for good reason too. Their sole representative who should have been speaking for them and somewhat guaranteeing their rights doesn't have any rights at all. Maliki was basically towing the Iranian line here, listening to what his wally is telling him to do word for word.

Being MB doesn't automatically qualify to a death sentence..... 5 times.... in absentia... with dodgy evidence........

 

[Frogman]

If this happens then it will have to be between forces that are interoperable. Egypt, UAE, and Saudi have yearly if not monthly exercises, and thus will have the best understanding of each other.

Other nations, particularly Jordan, Kuwait, and Bahrain may come after with Algeria/Morocco and Iraq in the distant future.

 

[Malik Alashter]

You don't honestly believe that do you? Here is what the Interpol had to say regarding these accusations:

"On October, 8th 2013 INTERPOL canceled the red notice against Al Hashimi and distribute the decision to all member States. The INTERPOL's decision read "The International Criminal Police Organization Secretariat has fully investigated the allegations against Tareq Al Hashimi. The Organizations' Secretariat believes the Iraqi government's request lacks legal justification. The Iraqi government has submitted information and documents which lacked quality. Therefore; the INTERPOL's Secretariat has decided on October, 8th 2013 to cancel the red notice against Al Hashimi and distribute the decision to all member States"."

So even the Interpol sees these allegations to be dodgy.

I can't reply to you now about that since I don't have enough info about it.

But, if the hashimy were innocent then he should hire a lawer to defend him and stay in the country not leave to Turkey to get a Turkish citizenship isn't that logic make a sence. don't forget he was Vice president a man tht big no one would hurt him that easy. He still can come and attend a trial to defend his innocence if he were.

 

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While I deeply despise the MB, however sentencing a man to death 5 times over in the span of 2 months is dodgy as all hell, and yes this absolutely created a huge rift and mistrust from the Sunni population towards the Iraqi government, and for good reason too. Their sole representative who should have been speaking for them and somewhat guaranteeing their rights doesn't have any rights at all. Maliki was basically towing the Iranian line here, listening to what his wally is telling him to do word for word.

Being MB doesn't automatically qualify to a death sentence..... 5 times.... in absentia... with dodgy evidence........

I'm not religious. But I think Hashimi should be executed as well. In 2013 and 2014 he was praising the 'revolutionaries' ( ISIS ) against the army. You see the sectarian card and Sunni card are being played by foreign govs with their own interests. There's simply too much BS going around that indirectly supported terrorists. The media was speaking of an Iraqi revolution likewise with the pages on social media, but they're just existent on the internet, on the ground it's IS and has always been so as well, nevertheless people fell for it.

It's very simple, Hashimi is a terrorist as some Sunnis are terrorists.. they will play the Sunni Sectarian card to defend themselves but they remain terrorrists and they have to be dealt with. How come no one touched Al Jabouri who is firmly against Iran, simply because he supports the army and a strong state. He degraded Qatar as he knows it's a little terror state.

Hasani opened a thread about it, read about Jabouri here.
Iraqi Sunni Arab patriot and politician who called for war with Kurds barred from polls

Sisi threw Morsi in jail as well with no evidence to the public but it's not hard to figure out things.

 

[Mosamania]

I can't reply to you now about that since I don't have enough info about it.

But, if the hashimy were innocent then he should hire a lawer to defend him and stay in the country not leave to Turkey to get a Turkish citizenship isn't that logic make a sence. don't forget he was Vice president a man tht big no one would hurt him that easy. He still can come and attend a trial to defend his innocence if he were.

He did agree to have a trial in Iraq but in Kirkuk because he would trust it to be fair there, but Iraqi government refused. They wanted a certain court and a certain judge for the trial. It doesn't need a rocket scientists to figure out that the whole trial was just an elaborate assassination. The arrest warrant comes one day after US troops officially leave the country that's 1, Iraqi government demanding that only a certain court and a certain judge conduct the trial despite him agreeing to a trial in Iraq that's 2, 5 death sentences in the span of 2-3 months that's 3. And I don't even know much about the trial only the headlines basically.

The writing is on the wall. He had no chance of a fair trial, so what do you expect him to do if you were in his shoes? Go to my death and ruin my reputation with injustice? Or fight for a fair trial at the very least? And would you trust the government in same circumstances as he is? I wouldn't, I would escape too if I were him.

I'm not religious. But I think Hashimi should be executed as well. In 2013 and 2014 he was praising the 'revolutionaries' ( ISIS ) against the army. You see the sectarian card and Sunni card are being played by foreign govs with their own interests. There's simply too much BS going around that indirectly supported terrorists. The media was speaking of an Iraqi revolution likewise with the pages on social media, but they're just existent on the internet, on the ground it's IS and has always been so as well, nevertheless people fell for it.

It's very simple, Hashimi is a terrorist as some Sunnis are terrorists.. they will play the Sunni Sectarian card to defend themselves but they remain terrorrists and they have to be dealt with. How come no one touched Al Jabouri who is firmly against Iran, simply because he supports the army and a strong state. He degraded Qatar as he knows it's a little terror state.

Hasani opened a thread about it, read about Jabouri here.
Iraqi Sunni Arab patriot and politician who called for war with Kurds barred from polls

Sisi threw Morsi in jail as well with no evidence to the public but it's not hard to figure out things.

Before ISIS was ISIS, even that Yazedi woman was praising the revolution remember her? And of course he would, he was thrown out of his own country under threat of judicial assassination. He would welcome anyone who would fight the ones who want to kill me, I am pretty sure since then he had a change of thought.

His case stands, Iraqi government gave him 5 death sentences based on shady evidence one day after the US left, this created mistrust within the Sunni population, this caused the Sunni population to feel drastically unrepresented and oppressed, which in turn paved the way for ISIS support. For every action there is a reaction my friend. And Maliki and his bosses certainlly didn't believe they would just kill the second highest official in the country like they did Hariri and Hadi (Not killed but came close to) and simply just swallow their rule their with no opposition left. This is part of a bigger game about control and injustice, now you see the origin of my deep distrust.

 

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Before ISIS was ISIS, even that Yazedi woman was praising the revolution remember her?

Yes that woman's name is Vivian, and do you know why ? She's a Kurdish nationalist, Kurds in the gov have been leeching, stalling and sabotaging all development especially military deals. They're internal enemies, KRG was hosting Ali Hatem Suleiman an IS supporter along with a self-declared Mufti of Iraq praising attacks on the army. In June IS and the KRG had a deal not to attack each other in KDP bordering territory until they attacked and they took Sinjar + Mosul dam. That is when the US started air strikes to prevent the fall of Arbil. Kurdish politicians even admitted that they did not expect IS would attack them, there are vids of kurdish forces sharing borders with IS terrorists peacefully.

Now what happened with that Kurdish woman ( vivian ) when those terrorists took Sinjar and started genocide ? She started crying in parliament ( perhaps she should not have supported them eh.. ), than the same Iraqi air force that she insulted carried her *** together with Yazidis rescuing them with Mi-17's. Politicians are trash.

His case stands, Iraqi government gave him 5 death sentences based on shady evidence one day after the US left, this created mistrust within the Sunni population, this caused the Sunni population to feel drastically unrepresented and oppressed, which in turn paved the way for ISIS support. For every action there is a reaction my friend. And Maliki and his bosses certainlly didn't believe they would just kill the second highest official in the country like they did Hariri and Hadi (Not killed but came close to) and simply just swallow their rule their with no opposition left. This is part of a bigger game about control and injustice, now you see the origin of my deep distrust.

I'm not defending Malikis policies, told you he was corrupt and incompetent. Too religious on top of that as well which isn't good at the moment. As for IS supports from the populace, not all of it can be forgiven with the sectarian card. There's tribes that can't accept the fall of Saddam as they lost their power, Saddam's tribe for example. Al bu ajeel now in Tikrit given full allegiance to IS.

 

[Banu Hashim]

KSA and Egypt alone could do what is necessary and ensure stability in their neighborhoods. Libya and Yemen need to be stabilized. Iraq and Syria should be a joint Arab project on the other hand due to the complexity of the situation there.

 

[Mosamania]

Yes that woman's name is Vivian, and do you know why ? She's a Kurdish nationalist, Kurds in the gov have been leeching, stalling and sabotaging all development especially military deals. They're internal enemies, KRG was hosting Ali Hatem Suleiman an IS supporter along with a self-declared Mufti of Iraq praising attacks on the army. In June IS and the KRG had a deal not to attack each other in KDP bordering territory until they attacked and they took Sinjar + Mosul dam. That is when the US started air strikes to prevent the fall of Arbil. Kurdish politicians even admitted that they did not expect IS would attack them, there are vids of kurdish forces sharing borders with IS terrorists peacefully.

Now what happened with that Kurdish woman ( vivian ) when those terrorists took Sinjar and started genocide ? She started crying in parliament ( perhaps she should not have supported them eh.. ), than the same Iraqi air force that she insulted carried her *** together with Yazidis rescuing them with Mi-17's. Politicians are trash.


I'm not defending Malikis policies, told you he was corrupt and incompetent. Too religious on top of that as well which isn't good at the moment. As for IS supports from the populace, not all of it can be forgiven with the sectarian card. There's tribes that can't accept the fall of Saddam as they lost their power, Saddam's tribe for example. Al bu ajeel now in Tikrit given full allegiance to IS.

I was talking about the average joe, nobody is denying that the Ba'ath influence is very strong with Daesh, some would argue that Daesh is really the spirit of Saddam's revenge sort to speak. However no one can deny that Iraqi sunnis do have legitimate grievances.

 

[Viper0011.]

What a stupid, so the arabs are going to join forces against millitants. Why not against israel?

The idea is actually very good. It'll allow the US to stay away and not look like the bad guy, every time we go in to help Arabs per their request. So this force can actually contribute a lot of things to the stability of this region.

On Israel, I think you need to learn to live with Israel and engage them in a serious dialogue, instead of still focusing on a military conflict which won't produce any results and the region will be destabilized further. Israel living side by side with the Arab world, with peace and stability under a contract with all parties involved, is a great idea for the entire globe, its peace and security.
The world has to tackle bigger issues, currently ISIS tops it. Why waste energy on conflicts that don't need to exist anymore???

 

[Tunisian Marine Corps]

if Tunisia it gonna join this force i think mostly we sand medical teams if we gonna sand combat units i think only to tripoli and hell no if we sand to syria they fight tunisians terrorist members of isis do you think syrians will welcome tunisian soldiers with flowers so i think libya is the only place we can go after we finish Chaambi Operations

 

[Banu Hashim]

If this happens then it will have to be between forces that are interoperable. Egypt, UAE, and Saudi have yearly if not monthly exercises, and thus will have the best understanding of each other.

Other nations, particularly Jordan, Kuwait, and Bahrain may come after with Algeria/Morocco and Iraq in the distant future.

Actually the entire GCC belong in the same camp here. Maybe outside of Qatar but even they are a part of the Peninsula Shield and they have also done numerous exercises with other GCC countries. Same with Jordan.

Morocco and Tunisia should definitely become more active in this group of Arab countries. Especially Tunisia as they are neighboring Libya. I have no doubt that Syria will join this group (if it remains) once the Al-Assad regime has been toppled.