Egypt Mig-35 Fighters Equipped with the EW Pod MSP-418K

[The SC]

That is my contribution. It just went over your head and missed it..


We were thru with them in 95, with the worst world embargo that did everything they could to corral us both politically and materially...Just what Syria is facing now without the Russian help..
It was the political facet that didn't follow and the return of Bouteflika brought them back. He is known by the Algerian of the GIA's father...The only remnant of them in the country, are the one working for the dz munchkin!
The Algerian army is not the biggest of Africa, but she is the most qualified as "army" that can rival the western best.

It is a good army no doubt about it, and very well equipped too..
That civil war was terrible..it was about democracy and not that good of a democracy if the FIS would have taken over..

 

[Ceylal]

I apologise, I did not understand that you have issues communicating with words and must use emojis to talk to others. Those laughing emojis must have taken you a long time to put together. I will make sure everyone realises that your mental level is such and we will take special consideration for you.

Don't be a comedian, you lack talent!

It is a good army no doubt about it, and very well equipped too..
That civil war was terrible..it was about democracy and not that good of a democracy if the FIS would have taken over..

Bullshit!
Algeria is not Egypt! The people went to street and demanded the annulment of the election, you can't define better democracy than that..Yet the FIS took the same route that Sissi followed..but unlike Morsi and his followers, the dz took up the arms and helped the army brake the mother fuckers back and the back of the Arabs that were helping them financially and politically on top of the ambargo they imposed on us long the US and NATO Countries...With all that we emerged victorious not only on the Fissistes but on the whole tribes of lead asses that were with them..
To end this stupid discussion, we have seven instable borders and not them has yet to be violated.
Egypt if they had 35000 well armed and toughen by Afghani war, it wouldn't have lasted a year..as a country! Egypt have the strongest army, mon cul!

 

[Trango Towers]

Come on man.

Its a civilization thousands of years old and the Egyptian guys here are very eloquent in their response.

Respect is always good.

yes and they still cannot build a pyramid like their ancestors

 

[Sinnerman108]

yes and they still cannot build a pyramid like their ancestors

Son,

The only thing your post signifies is your school absence record.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Agreed,
Real Time was the most important design aspect.
Do we have full details on Link 16 ? Encryption and other low level aspects of the protocol ?
What I want to understand is how secure is Link 16 should the OEM decide to go naughty.
And what is the opportunity to enhance it if required.

Link-16 is a pretty old fashioned datalink and there are better stuff on the market
like the one used in the F-35 and the JAS-39 Gripen TIDLS.


Link 16 is a TDMA-based secure, jam-resistant, high-speed digital data link which operates in the radio frequency band 960–1,215 MHz, allocated in line with the ITU Radio Regulations to the aeronautical radionavigation service and to the radionavigation satellite service. This frequency range limits the exchange of information to users within line-of-sight of one another, although with satellite capabilities and adhoc protocols, it is nowadays possible to pass Link 16 data over long-haul protocols such as TCP/IP using MIL-STD 3011 (JREAP) or STANAG 5602 (SIMPLE). It uses the transmission characteristics and protocols, conventions, and fixed-length or variable length message formats defined by MIL-STD 6016, STANAG 5516 (formerly the JTIDS technical interface design plan). Information is typically passed at one of three data rates: 31.6, 57.6, or 115.2 kilobits per second, although the radios and waveform itself can support throughput values well over 1 Mbit/s.[1]



The Gripen is fitted with the "Tactical Information Datalink System (TIDLS)", which gives the fighter four high-bandwidth, two-way datalinks with a range of about 500 kilometers (310 miles) and very high resistance to jamming. The datalinks allow the Gripen to engage in combat using another aircraft's sensors or from targeting data provided by other defense systems. Data acquired from remote sources is fused and displayed on the fighter's main MFD. The link is fully operational when the aircraft is on the ground, allowing a pilot on standby to have high situational awareness of the battle environment.

One Gripen can provide radar sensing for four of its colleagues, allowing a single fighter to track a target, while the others use the data for a stealthy attack. TIDLS also permits multiple fighters to quickly and accurately lock onto a target's track through triangulation from several radars; or allow one fighter to jam a target while another tracks it; or allow multiple fighters to use different radar frequencies collaboratively to "burn through" jamming transmissions. In addition, TIDLS gives the Gripen transparent access to the SAAB-Ericsson 340B Erieye "mini-AWACs" aircraft, as well as the overall ground command and control system. This system provides Sweden with an impressive defensive capability at a cost that, though still high, is less than that of comparable systems elsewhere.

 

[Sinnerman108]

Link-16 is a pretty old fashioned datalink and there are better stuff on the market
like the one used in the F-35 and the JAS-39 Gripen TIDLS.


Link 16 is a TDMA-based secure, jam-resistant, high-speed digital data link which operates in the radio frequency band 960–1,215 MHz, allocated in line with the ITU Radio Regulations to the aeronautical radionavigation service and to the radionavigation satellite service. This frequency range limits the exchange of information to users within line-of-sight of one another, although with satellite capabilities and adhoc protocols, it is nowadays possible to pass Link 16 data over long-haul protocols such as TCP/IP using MIL-STD 3011 (JREAP) or STANAG 5602 (SIMPLE). It uses the transmission characteristics and protocols, conventions, and fixed-length or variable length message formats defined by MIL-STD 6016, STANAG 5516 (formerly the JTIDS technical interface design plan). Information is typically passed at one of three data rates: 31.6, 57.6, or 115.2 kilobits per second, although the radios and waveform itself can support throughput values well over 1 Mbit/s.[1]



The Gripen is fitted with the "Tactical Information Datalink System (TIDLS)", which gives the fighter four high-bandwidth, two-way datalinks with a range of about 500 kilometers (310 miles) and very high resistance to jamming. The datalinks allow the Gripen to engage in combat using another aircraft's sensors or from targeting data provided by other defense systems. Data acquired from remote sources is fused and displayed on the fighter's main MFD. The link is fully operational when the aircraft is on the ground, allowing a pilot on standby to have high situational awareness of the battle environment.

One Gripen can provide radar sensing for four of its colleagues, allowing a single fighter to track a target, while the others use the data for a stealthy attack. TIDLS also permits multiple fighters to quickly and accurately lock onto a target's track through triangulation from several radars; or allow one fighter to jam a target while another tracks it; or allow multiple fighters to use different radar frequencies collaboratively to "burn through" jamming transmissions. In addition, TIDLS gives the Gripen transparent access to the SAAB-Ericsson 340B Erieye "mini-AWACs" aircraft, as well as the overall ground command and control system. This system provides Sweden with an impressive defensive capability at a cost that, though still high, is less than that of comparable systems elsewhere.

Great stuff,
I guess MANETS ( Mobile AdHoc Networks ) are the way to go.
As difficult as it is to maintain security over air, the gains are much more.

 

[Trango Towers]

Son,

The only thing your post signifies is your school absence record.

I am not your son and you have no idea. just like a fool waffle you have an opinion without proof. typical big mouth

 

[Gomig-21]

I'm curious what any of the OP & topic at hand had anything to do with the question that was asked? An advanced EW pod for the Egyptian MiG-35 has absolutely nothing to do with information sharing or network-centric environment or any data linking with regard to the other 2 western fighters that the EAF deploys. The question is flawed from the beginning, which led to this completely, off-topic flip-flop. Flawed in 2 ways.

1) The MSP-418K EW pod will be strictly used with the MiG-35 fighter & fleet. It's an electronic warfare pod and does not share its information with any others except fooling enemy radars and approaching missiles that threaten whichever flight group it is a part of, which could be 2, 4, 6 or 12 MiG-35s. There are no F-16s or Rafales in this mix and with regards to the other two, they have their own jamming and EW systems. They won't need to rely on the 418K pod in any way, shape or form. That's the first flaw in that question that was asked.

2) The idea -- despite it only being an example -- that there would be 2 F-16s, 2 Rafales and 2 MiG-35s is not valid in almost any realistic scenario. That combination of mission grouping would never be deployed in any air force of any kind. Even if the numbers of each were increased or used unevenly, it would never happen. Mission planning requires the least amount of 1 or 2 specifically armed platforms that ARE capable of working with not only each other, but with GC & AWACS and maybe an alternate, trailing, backup group on standby (grounded or in air) for additional support or clean-up duty. If for example, the mission is targeting an airport and its infrastructure, a group of AC armed with majority ground attack munitions would be escorted by another group (of the SAME or compatible type) for air cover, maybe even EW and decoy. The ground attack AC could be 6 or 8 or in the case of the EAF, a full squadron of 12 F-16s accompanied by the same number of Rafales for cover. They would never send a mixed batch that would include a 3rd type in the MiG-35.

Even if the mission is SEAD, for another example, they would send the first group of F-16's and Rafales and work the radar decoying and jamming to fool the SAMs and drop munitions on them and retreat. Then maybe to clean up any left over residual targets, another group of the SAME aircraft would attack in a second round, with one group for air cover and the other for actual attack.

The idea that you would incorporate 3 different makes for any single mission is not SOP for any AF, and has nothing to do with which EW pod is used for either platform since they aren't interchangeable and don't need to be. Each platform has it's own.

The MiG-35 would be -- and most likely will be -- used in an interceptor role, A2A in BVR & WVR, A2S role and certainly border and maritime patrol missions. If the need comes to fight an incoming threat, they'd be scrambled for that. This pod would enhance their survive-ability as a unit in those cases.

The issue that the MiG-35 presents is the option to interchange any of the three PLATFORMS with one another, but never to use all 3 at once. It doesn't work that way.

 

[The SC]

Don't be a comedian, you lack talent!


Bullshit!
Algeria is not Egypt! The people went to street and demanded the annulment of the election, you can't define better democracy than that..Yet the FIS took the same route that Sissi followed..but unlike Morsi and his followers, the dz took up the arms and helped the army brake the mother fuckers back and the back of the Arabs that were helping them financially and politically on top of the ambargo they imposed on us long the US and NATO Countries...With all that we emerged victorious not only on the Fissistes but on the whole tribes of lead asses that were with them..
To end this stupid discussion, we have seven instable borders and not them has yet to be violated.
Egypt if they had 35000 well armed and toughen by Afghani war, it wouldn't have lasted a year..as a country! Egypt have the strongest army, mon cul!

Hummmm! you are twisting the facts too much!!
Are you saying that the Algerian army is bullshit?
Are you trying to say that the FIS who is the equivalent of Morsi's MB didn't win democratically in the elections? It would have been much better for Algeria to maybe ban their party and spare it a 15 year civil war, wouldn't it?
Now, you are comparing the FIS with Sissi.. RIP to logic..and truth..

 

[TOPGUN]

This type of ignorance I cannot handle....

The most powerful ,capable army in the Middle East and North Africa is the Egyptian Army...and with diversified armaments from different sources with number 1 military schools in the region that students/officers are studying from different countries including KSA,UAE,Algeria,Soudan,S.Sudan, Pakestan, Bahrain and different other countries.

The army that found a simple solution to the Barleve line that The Russian said it needs a nuclear bomb to destroy it..... But a young officer in the Egyptain Army has a different opinion by using the water canons to destroy the sand hill that almost vertical on the side of the Suez canal.

That type of army can handle a small logistical problem in order not to be under any one's mercy.

Ah, its Pakistan brother not Pakestan thanks.

 

[The SC]

I'm curious what any of the OP & topic at hand had anything to do with the question that was asked? An advanced EW pod for the Egyptian MiG-35 has absolutely nothing to do with information sharing or network-centric environment or any data linking with regard to the other 2 western fighters that the EAF deploys. The question is flawed from the beginning, which led to this completely, off-topic flip-flop. Flawed in 2 ways.

1) The MSP-418K EW pod will be strictly used with the MiG-35 fighter & fleet. It's an electronic warfare pod and does not share its information with any others except fooling enemy radars and approaching missiles that threaten whichever flight group it is a part of, which could be 2, 4, 6 or 12 MiG-35s. There are no F-16s or Rafales in this mix and with regards to the other two, they have their own jamming and EW systems. They won't need to rely on the 418K pod in any way, shape or form. That's the first flaw in that question that was asked.

2) The idea -- despite it only being an example -- that there would be 2 F-16s, 2 Rafales and 2 MiG-35s is not valid in almost any realistic scenario. That combination of mission grouping would never be deployed in any air force of any kind. Even if the numbers of each were increased or used unevenly, it would never happen. Mission planning requires the least amount of 1 or 2 specifically armed platforms that ARE capable of working with not only each other, but with GC & AWACS and maybe an alternate, trailing, backup group on standby (grounded or in air) for additional support or clean-up duty. If for example, the mission is targeting an airport and its infrastructure, a group of AC armed with majority ground attack munitions would be escorted by another group (of the SAME or compatible type) for air cover, maybe even EW and decoy. The ground attack AC could be 6 or 8 or in the case of the EAF, a full squadron of 12 F-16s accompanied by the same number of Rafales for cover. They would never send a mixed batch that would include a 3rd type in the MiG-35.

Even if the mission is SEAD, for another example, they would send the first group of F-16's and Rafales and work the radar decoying and jamming to fool the SAMs and drop munitions on them and retreat. Then maybe to clean up any left over residual targets, another group of the SAME aircraft would attack in a second round, with one group for air cover and the other for actual attack.

The idea that you would incorporate 3 different makes for any single mission is not SOP for any AF, and has nothing to do with which EW pod is used for either platform since they aren't interchangeable and don't need to be. Each platform has it's own.

The MiG-35 would be -- and most likely will be -- used in an interceptor role, A2A in BVR & WVR, A2S role and certainly border and maritime patrol missions. If the need comes to fight an incoming threat, they'd be scrambled for that. This pod would enhance their survive-ability as a unit in those cases.

The issue that the MiG-35 presents is the option to interchange any of the three PLATFORMS with one another, but never to use all 3 at once. It doesn't work that way.

Very well said..and there is no real issue concerning the interchange, since they all have predefined missions.. where on one hand the Rafale and F-16s operate in tandem and on the other hand the Mig-35s (most likely with the SU-XX).. coordination can be through the the Egyptian C4i and other mediums..

Great stuff,
I guess MANETS ( Mobile AdHoc Networks ) are the way to go.
As difficult as it is to maintain security over air, the gains are much more.

There is a problem with that too now:
GaN-Based AESAs Enable U.S. Navy’s Next-Generation Jammer

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/gan-based-aesas-enable-u-s-navys-next-generation-jammer.506948/

 

[Ceylal]

Hummmm! you are twisting the facts too much!!
Are you saying that the Algerian army is bullshit?
Are you trying to say that the FIS who is the equivalent of Morsi's MB didn't win democratically in the elections? It would have been much better for Algeria to maybe ban their party and spare it a 15 year civil war, wouldn't it?
Now, you are comparing the FIS with Sissi.. RIP to logic..and truth..

The FIS cheated and the run off , didn't take place..The FIS wasn't MB, it had no political agenda but to destroy Algeria as a country as it was told to do..
Sissi is worse than the Morsi MB's , he is a Tafkiri, even his own sisters have to wear a hidjab to be in a room with him..It didn't take The Algerian army 15 years to erase completely the FIS , his military wing and the other ex Afghan armed groups. It was the political that didn't follow and the arrival of Bouteflika made it worse with his ever revolving conciliatory policies toward known individuals that are behind the Algerian tragedy..
In the Tiguentourine attack, Bouteflika wanted the intervention of British and US forces to intervene to free their respective citizens, but the Algerian army threaten his ***..it took him over a year before he said a kind word for the expertise and the high skills that she displayed in liberating the hostages and eliminating the terrorists, in the gas plant, that if the terrorists succeeded ito blow it up, it would have the force of 4 Hiroshima bombs..That the army we are talking about..

 

[The Accountant]

The Electronic Warfare Pod MSP-418K is of the latest jamming and countermeasures systems
MSP-418K is a Russian lightweight, high performance jammer for the MiG-29/35. It uses DRFM (Digital RF Memory) technology and covers the G-J-band range (4-18 GHz). The pod's weight is 150kg, dimensions are 230 x 225 x 3,800mm. It has 120° azimuth, 60° elevation coverage.

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Quadratic paralysis of missiles and radars
It wages an electronic war on air defense systems and radar guided missiles
It uses DRFM technology and is the first Russian Pod to use this technique
The technology allows the Pod to transmit misleading information about the aircraft's location, speed and altitude.. It creates imaginary targets to mislead enemy radars and missiles
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It protects fighters from surface-to-air and air-to-air missiles
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Broadband G-J bands are used to detect and disturb/jam radar signals
Coverage: 120 degrees horizontally, 60 degrees vertically
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Light weight (150 kg), easy draw and mount
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The shape is not aerodynamic at all ... It will create alot of drag

 

[The SC]

The shape is not aerodynamic at all ... It will create alot of drag

There is enough drag with the weapons.. this won't add much.. besides that.. this is a powerful jamming pod.. you don't need to be flying at Mach 2.. it is for SEAD..