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Egypt Islamists offer vision for sin-free tourism

By MAGGIE MICHAEL, Associated Press – 6 hours ago

CAIRO (AP) — Islamists are dominating Egypt's elections and some of them have a new message for tourists: welcome, but no booze, bikinis or mixed bathing at beaches, please.

That vision of turning Egypt into a sin-free vacation spot could spell doom for a key pillar of the economy that has already been badly battered by this year's political unrest.

"Tourists don't need to drink alcohol when they come to Egypt; they have plenty at home," a veiled Muslim Brotherhood candidate, Azza al-Jarf, told a cheering crowd of supporters on Sunday across the street from the Pyramids.

"They came to see the ancient civilization, not to drink alcohol," she said, her voice booming through a set of loudspeakers at a campaign event dubbed "Let's encourage tourism." The crowd chanted, "Tourism will be at its best under Freedom and Justice," the Brotherhood's party and the most influential political group to emerge from the fall of Hosni Mubarak.

Since their success in the first round of parliamentary elections on Nov. 28-29, the Brotherhood and the even more fundamentalist party of Salafi Muslims called Al-Nour have been under pressure from media and the public to define their stance on a wide range of issues, especially those related to Islamic law, personal freedoms, the rights of women and minorities, the flagging economy and tourism.

The Salafis of Al-Nour are up front about seeking to impose strict Islamic law in Egypt. The Muslim Brotherhood says publicly that it does not seek to force its views about an appropriate Islamic lifestyle on Egyptians.

Critics say remarks by members of both parties meant to reassure the nation that they don't seek to damage tourism are having the opposite effect.

Egypt's year of political upheaval has hit the economy hard and shaken investor confidence. On Sunday, the new interim prime minister, Kamal el-Ganzouri, broke into tears in front of journalists as he spoke about the state of the economy, saying it was "worse than anyone imagines."

Turning around the decline in tourism is key to breathing life back into the economy. But tourism presents something of an ideological conundrum for the Muslim Brotherhood and Al-Nour. The two parties came in first and second, respectively, in first-round results in the voting, which is staggered and continues through January. Together, they've won an overwhelming majority of votes.

The Salafis, who follow the Wahhabi school of thought that predominates in Saudi Arabia, are clear in their opposition to alcohol and skimpy beachwear.

And they're still wavering on the issues of unmarried couples sharing hotel rooms and the display of ancient Egyptian statues like fertility gods that they believe clash with conservative Islamic sensibilities. At a Salafi rally in the Mediterranean port city of Alexandria recently, party loyalists covered up mermaid statues on a public fountain with cloth.

The Muslim Brotherhood, a more pragmatic political force, has sent mixed messages, reflecting perhaps the influence of some who would be more inclined to leave tourism alone for the sake of the economy.

Brotherhood and Al-Nour party leaders toured ancient monuments over the past couple of days in an attempt to show they're supporting tourism, releasing pictures of themselves smiling and shaking hands with visitors.

One Al-Nour party spokesman in the ancient city of Aswan told a gathering: "We are not going to close temples, we are not going to order the tourists to cover up or put restrictions on their freedoms."

Brotherhood leader Saad el-Katatni is also now espousing a hands-off approach. "Tourism is not all about what to eat, drink or wear. ... We have nothing to do with beaches," he told the semi-official Al-Ahram daily.

But in August, he told tourism officials that "Egypt is a pious country and the beach tourism and bikini should not be in public beaches."

Also, clerics like Yasser Bourhami, influential among hard-line Salafis, are presenting ideas for restrictions on tourism. Bourhami calls it "halal tourism," using the term for food that is ritually fit under Islamic law.

"A five-star hotel with no alcohol, a beach for women — sisters — separated from men in a bay where the two sides can enjoy a vacation for a week without sins," he said in an interview with private television network Dream TV. "The tourist doesn't have to swim with a bikini and harm our youth."

A leading member of Al-Nour, Tarek Shalaan, stumbled through a recent TV interview when asked about his views on the display of nude pharaonic statues like those depicting fertility gods.

"The antiquities that we have will be put under a different light to focus on historical events," he said, without explaining further.

He also failed to explain whether hotel reception clerks will have to start demanding marriage certificates from couples checking in together.

"Honestly, I don't know the Shariah position, so I don't want to give an answer," he said.
During Sunday's campaign event for the Muslim Brotherhood, candidate al-Jarf said the new approach doesn't have to spell the end of tourism.

"Foreigners respect traditions, they didn't come here for nudity," she told a crowd in a middle class district of Giza steps away from the Pyramids where many residents work in tourism.

Another candidate at the event, Ahmed el-Khouli, promised they would draw millions more tourists and criticized members of rival, secular parties who he said "promote nudity and prostitution in Egypt" for the sake of attracting tourist dollars.

Tourism accounts for roughly 10 percent of Egypt's gross domestic product, employs an estimated 3 million of Egypt's 85 million people, and is one of the top three mainstays of the economy, along with Suez Canal fees and remittances.

Huge swaths of the country, like the Red Sea shores with their stunning coral reefs and Nile Valley cities like Luxor with their ancient temples and tombs, are solely dependent on tourism.

This year, tourist arrivals fell more than 35 percent in the second quarter, according to government figures.

Still, residents of Luxor and Red Sea province voted in large numbers for the Islamists, which opponents said was a result of the parties feeding a "feeling of guilt" over things like serving alcohol.

Some Salafis acknowledge their approach could mean losses for the industry but propose ways to compensate, like promoting medical tourism or religious and educational tourism.

Their talk prompted an outcry from hundreds of tour guides and the minister of tourism, who recently held a demonstration at the steps of the Great Pyramid. They asserted that each speech by the Islamists translated into reservation cancellations.

The minister, Moneir Fakhri Abdel-Nour, said the impact of religious edicts, or fatwas, on tourism is as bad as the impact from Egypt's security troubles.

"The tourism industry is facing a double challenge: security ... and the fatwas," Abdel-Nour said Monday, according to Egypt's state-run news agency. "No one will be able to destroy or threaten this industry," he added.

The Associated Press: Egypt Islamists offer vision for sin-free tourism
 
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Why is that when neo nazi Christians are always called "right wing" or "conservatives" in Europe and North America
but right wing or Conservative Muslims are called the pejorative term "Islamist"?

Propaganda that's why.
Hey look Osama was an "Islamist" and these people are also "Islamist" that must mean they believe the same thing Osama did.

As for the artical, who cares
It is their country and they can have any kind of tourism they want.

Thailand is the king of sex tourism, yet no one in the west is getting thier panties in a knot over that (mainly becuase most of them go there for that reason :woot: )
 
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moderatism in the west is taught only for one side, i-e liberalism, modertism is not liberalism, women in west wear bikinis which is anything but reflects a moderate society, anything, wealth, nudism, anything which is exploitative should not include in this definition..

the tourists coming from west should behave in a moderate way and while visitn gbeach, dont put off your cloths, its disrespectful
 
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Does the US allow open fornication on public beaches?
Do local councils have a right to allow/forbid nudity or alcohol in public places?

What's different here?
 
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Those islamists are simply idiots plus nuts. Why don't they just put a sign there saying: no muslim, no visit???

Egypt Islamists offer vision for sin-free tourism

By MAGGIE MICHAEL, Associated Press – 6 hours ago

CAIRO (AP) — Islamists are dominating Egypt's elections and some of them have a new message for tourists: welcome, but no booze, bikinis or mixed bathing at beaches, please.

That vision of turning Egypt into a sin-free vacation spot could spell doom for a key pillar of the economy that has already been badly battered by this year's political unrest.

"Tourists don't need to drink alcohol when they come to Egypt; they have plenty at home," a veiled Muslim Brotherhood candidate, Azza al-Jarf, told a cheering crowd of supporters on Sunday across the street from the Pyramids.

"They came to see the ancient civilization, not to drink alcohol," she said, her voice booming through a set of loudspeakers at a campaign event dubbed "Let's encourage tourism." The crowd chanted, "Tourism will be at its best under Freedom and Justice," the Brotherhood's party and the most influential political group to emerge from the fall of Hosni Mubarak.

Since their success in the first round of parliamentary elections on Nov. 28-29, the Brotherhood and the even more fundamentalist party of Salafi Muslims called Al-Nour have been under pressure from media and the public to define their stance on a wide range of issues, especially those related to Islamic law, personal freedoms, the rights of women and minorities, the flagging economy and tourism.

The Salafis of Al-Nour are up front about seeking to impose strict Islamic law in Egypt. The Muslim Brotherhood says publicly that it does not seek to force its views about an appropriate Islamic lifestyle on Egyptians.

Critics say remarks by members of both parties meant to reassure the nation that they don't seek to damage tourism are having the opposite effect.

Egypt's year of political upheaval has hit the economy hard and shaken investor confidence. On Sunday, the new interim prime minister, Kamal el-Ganzouri, broke into tears in front of journalists as he spoke about the state of the economy, saying it was "worse than anyone imagines."

Turning around the decline in tourism is key to breathing life back into the economy. But tourism presents something of an ideological conundrum for the Muslim Brotherhood and Al-Nour. The two parties came in first and second, respectively, in first-round results in the voting, which is staggered and continues through January. Together, they've won an overwhelming majority of votes.

The Salafis, who follow the Wahhabi school of thought that predominates in Saudi Arabia, are clear in their opposition to alcohol and skimpy beachwear.

And they're still wavering on the issues of unmarried couples sharing hotel rooms and the display of ancient Egyptian statues like fertility gods that they believe clash with conservative Islamic sensibilities. At a Salafi rally in the Mediterranean port city of Alexandria recently, party loyalists covered up mermaid statues on a public fountain with cloth.

The Muslim Brotherhood, a more pragmatic political force, has sent mixed messages, reflecting perhaps the influence of some who would be more inclined to leave tourism alone for the sake of the economy.

Brotherhood and Al-Nour party leaders toured ancient monuments over the past couple of days in an attempt to show they're supporting tourism, releasing pictures of themselves smiling and shaking hands with visitors.

One Al-Nour party spokesman in the ancient city of Aswan told a gathering: "We are not going to close temples, we are not going to order the tourists to cover up or put restrictions on their freedoms."

Brotherhood leader Saad el-Katatni is also now espousing a hands-off approach. "Tourism is not all about what to eat, drink or wear. ... We have nothing to do with beaches," he told the semi-official Al-Ahram daily.

But in August, he told tourism officials that "Egypt is a pious country and the beach tourism and bikini should not be in public beaches."

Also, clerics like Yasser Bourhami, influential among hard-line Salafis, are presenting ideas for restrictions on tourism. Bourhami calls it "halal tourism," using the term for food that is ritually fit under Islamic law.

"A five-star hotel with no alcohol, a beach for women — sisters — separated from men in a bay where the two sides can enjoy a vacation for a week without sins," he said in an interview with private television network Dream TV. "The tourist doesn't have to swim with a bikini and harm our youth."

A leading member of Al-Nour, Tarek Shalaan, stumbled through a recent TV interview when asked about his views on the display of nude pharaonic statues like those depicting fertility gods.

"The antiquities that we have will be put under a different light to focus on historical events," he said, without explaining further.

He also failed to explain whether hotel reception clerks will have to start demanding marriage certificates from couples checking in together.

"Honestly, I don't know the Shariah position, so I don't want to give an answer," he said.
During Sunday's campaign event for the Muslim Brotherhood, candidate al-Jarf said the new approach doesn't have to spell the end of tourism.

"Foreigners respect traditions, they didn't come here for nudity," she told a crowd in a middle class district of Giza steps away from the Pyramids where many residents work in tourism.

Another candidate at the event, Ahmed el-Khouli, promised they would draw millions more tourists and criticized members of rival, secular parties who he said "promote nudity and prostitution in Egypt" for the sake of attracting tourist dollars.

Tourism accounts for roughly 10 percent of Egypt's gross domestic product, employs an estimated 3 million of Egypt's 85 million people, and is one of the top three mainstays of the economy, along with Suez Canal fees and remittances.

Huge swaths of the country, like the Red Sea shores with their stunning coral reefs and Nile Valley cities like Luxor with their ancient temples and tombs, are solely dependent on tourism.

This year, tourist arrivals fell more than 35 percent in the second quarter, according to government figures.

Still, residents of Luxor and Red Sea province voted in large numbers for the Islamists, which opponents said was a result of the parties feeding a "feeling of guilt" over things like serving alcohol.

Some Salafis acknowledge their approach could mean losses for the industry but propose ways to compensate, like promoting medical tourism or religious and educational tourism.

Their talk prompted an outcry from hundreds of tour guides and the minister of tourism, who recently held a demonstration at the steps of the Great Pyramid. They asserted that each speech by the Islamists translated into reservation cancellations.

The minister, Moneir Fakhri Abdel-Nour, said the impact of religious edicts, or fatwas, on tourism is as bad as the impact from Egypt's security troubles.

"The tourism industry is facing a double challenge: security ... and the fatwas," Abdel-Nour said Monday, according to Egypt's state-run news agency. "No one will be able to destroy or threaten this industry," he added.

The Associated Press: Egypt Islamists offer vision for sin-free tourism
 
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Those islamists are simply idiots plus nuts. Why don't they just put a sign there saying: no muslim, no visit???

There are plenty of non-Muslim families that would prefer a wholesome holiday environment suitable for the whole family. There's a market for all types of tourists.
 
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I think the local views and laws must be respected and adhered to.

Just as in the West wearing a Burka , turban etc is frowned upon and non westerners are expected to follow local norms so should those traveling to other countries accept local conventions.

I would welcome guests in my home but would not appreciate anyone disrespecting the rules of my home.

Its as simple as that.
 
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those non-muslims cover their whole body with those gruesome burqa???

When they are at the beach, they have to cover their whole body, no bikini's???

When the ancient civilization was there, drinking alcohol, wearing bikini type of clothes are normal.

I would like to see those nuts to put out such bans thinking that is their land for now. Let's see how long they can hold onto that.

There are plenty of non-Muslim families that would prefer a wholesome holiday environment suitable for the whole family. There's a market for all types of tourists.
 
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those non-muslims cover their whole body with those gruesome burqa???

When they are at the beach, they have to cover their whole body, no bikini's???

When the ancient civilization was there, drinking alcohol, wearing bikini type of clothes are normal.

I would like to see those nuts to put out such bans thinking that is their land for now. Let's see how long they can hold onto that.

What does 'ancient civilization' have to do with anything? If you go back far enough, people used to walk around naked. By your logic, we should all do so again in public.

As for the burqa, even though we know the usual suspects will switch to that subject predictably, that is not the matter of discussion.
 
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I wish they would hurry up and bring these laws in. I need a holiday, it's freezing in the UK.
 
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those non-muslims cover their whole body with those gruesome burqa???

When they are at the beach, they have to cover their whole body, no bikini's???

When the ancient civilization was there, drinking alcohol, wearing bikini type of clothes are normal.

I would like to see those nuts to put out such bans thinking that is their land for now. Let's see how long they can hold onto that.

Nobody is telling them to wear burqa .Feel like u are over reacting .
Yeah in ur society nudism and sex is a very common thing but in Muslim societies it is not allowed.

They came with Egyptian people's will so let them decide what is good for them and what is not.

I actually like the laws they are making ..........Moderation is the best way of doing anything .

Good Work .:tup:
 
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