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A Muslim can implement and spread islam anywhere in the world

You have destroyed democracy in Egypt and stolen power through the use of the mob and force

It is vital that the Muslims of the world boycott Egypt and put it under immense pressure, governing Egypt must be made impossible via internal and external pressure so that the government breaks

It is vital that the Muslim brotherhood rejects the fake and illegitimate political process as to keep the pressure on the government
 
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you want to turn egypt into syria ................... anyways its because of a egyptian militaries tolerance ,the country has not dissolved into civil-war .. the army should keep their cool ..any wrong move could ruin egypt

i dont like MB but i think mb guys has the right to be pissed ...as their president has been ousted by a military coup before he could finish his term ...........

egyptian military should hold new elections as soon as possible.. this is the only way to solve the mess in egypt.....the longer the military stays in power the more complicated the things will get

Egypt will not turn into Syria, the Muslim Brotherhood would be annihilated by the people and security forces in 4-5 weeks. Civil war is not a possibility in Egypt.

It was a revolution not a coup. Millions were in the streets...... Morsi lost his legitimacy the day he ordered the his supporters to surrounded the supreme court. He should have been ousted in November.

A constitution that respects ALL human rights, checks and balance, and gives all parties the same opportunity in any coming election is our priority now. Parliamentary elections will be held in 4 months, and presidential elections will be held in 6 months. 6 months transition period is not a long time.

A Muslim can implement and spread islam anywhere in the world

You have destroyed democracy in Egypt and stolen power through the use of the mob and force

It is vital that the Muslims of the world boycott Egypt and put it under immense pressure, governing Egypt must be made impossible via internal and external pressure so that the government breaks

It is vital that the Muslim brotherhood rejects the fake and illegitimate political process as to keep the pressure on the government

Cry me a river............. You guys don't even accept democracy, let alone preach it. Your history is documented. Democracy is not just elections, otherwise they would vote on deporting your kinds from GB but the law prevents them.
 
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Muslim Brotherhood and democracy, hmmmm ?? You forgot to mention human rights.

If you want an Islamic state, why live with the infidels in GB ?!! Go back to your country and establish and Islamic state,don't force it on us.

and who elected MB in the first place?...ans: eyptian people.......................................
So MB is the legitimate democratic govt...
i think you should acknowledge the fact that some of your countrymen dont want secularism to be enforced upon them
 
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and who elected MB in the first place?...ans: eyptian people.......................................
So MB is the legitimate democratic govt...
i think you should acknowledge the fact that some of your countrymen dont want secularism to be enforced upon them


Democracy is a continuous process not an event. The day Morsi removed separation of powers he was no longer the legitimate president of Egypt.
 
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and who elected MB in the first place?...ans: eyptian people.......................................
So MB is the legitimate democratic govt...
i think you should acknowledge the fact that some of your countrymen dont want secularism to be enforced upon them

How the hell can you enforce secularism ? If someone is free to do whatever the hell they want they are not being enforced.

Morsi lost his legitimacy the day he ordered his supporters to surround the supreme court so the don't make their verdict. What is so hard about understanding this ?!!
 
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You can't just remove legitimacy from an elected government with a democratic mandate

Even the constitution was pushed through after a fair referendum the people voted in

What you did was to have a coup

You're illegitimate as is your fake government and joke state
 
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You can't just remove legitimacy from an elected government with a democratic mandate

The mandate was breached and so the unelected government and the elected president were no longer legitimate.

Even the constitution was pushed through after a fair referendum the people voted in

The constitution was illegitimate before being put to referendum as multiple parties and religious figures resigned from the constitutional assembly in protest to how it was being run. The president then released the decree which made him the illegitimate ruler of Egypt.

What you did was to have a coup

Without a constitutional or legal process by which a president (at the time) could be impeached the military had to intervene. Its a coup, deal with it.
 
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You can't just remove legitimacy from an elected government with a democratic mandate

Even the constitution was pushed through after a fair referendum the people voted in

What you did was to have a coup

You're illegitimate as is your fake government and joke state

Denial is not just a river......
 
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Democracy is a continuous process not an event. The day Morsi removed separation of powers he was no longer the legitimate president of Egypt.
Morsi lost his legitimacy the day he ordered his supporters to surround the supreme court so the don't make their verdict. What is so hard about understanding this ?!!

anyways its for you egyptians to decide ......i wont debate this matter .....................................but its my personal opinion that removing MB from the democratic process wont help egypts cause ..........it will only make MB political martyrs and pave the way for them to come to power in the future................

How the hell can you enforce secularism ? If someone is free to do whatever the hell they want they are not being enforced.
you can my friend...... you can ............. just a simple qus: will you accept private sharia courts in a secular egypt even though some people prefer them to normal courts.......??
 
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anyways its for you egyptians to decide ......i wont debate this matter .....................................but its my personal opinion that removing MB from the democratic process wont help egypts cause ..........it will only make MB political martyrs and pave the way for them to come to power in the future................

you can my friend...... you can ............. just a simple qus: will you accept private sharia courts in a secular egypt even though some people prefer them to normal courts.......??
Yes i would, as long as people have right to choose if they want their trials in Sharia courts, or "normal people's" courts
 
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And I disagree with you. :)

Well, how i see it is, if some retard wants to get his hands cut, he is free to do so... If he/she wants to get lashed or stoned, i don't give a rat a$$... Most or all people will reject such cruel punishments, and in no time these courts will be useless.... I understand your concern though, but i am willing to compromise as long as freedom, and personal choices are respected.
 
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Well, how i see it is, if some retard wants to get his hands cut, he is free to do so... If he/she wants to get lashed or stoned, i don't give a rat a$$... Most or all people will reject such cruel punishments, and in no time these courts will be useless.... I understand your concern though, but i am willing to compromise as long as freedom, and personal choices are respected.

Its not the concept of Sharia itself that I object. I object to having a two tier legal system, for instance in a sharia court the punishment for murder may only include lashings (or whatever) and compensation while in a civil court the punishment may be death or a life sentence. This also steps into the private sphere in which sharia courts may not report instances of domestic abuse for example to the police etc....

Having one judicial system based upon the teaching of Sharia (which arent entrenched or codified) or on modern law is the way to go. I would be against implementing so called Sharia in Egypt though.
 
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Its not the concept of Sharia itself that I object. I object to having a two tier legal system, for instance in a sharia court the punishment for murder may only include lashings (or whatever) and compensation while in a civil court the punishment may be death or a life sentence. This also steps into the private sphere in which sharia courts may not report instances of domestic abuse for example to the police etc....

Having one judicial system based upon the teaching of Sharia (which arent entrenched or codified) or on modern law is the way to go. I would be against implementing so called Sharia in Egypt though.

You raise good points.
 
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Egypt’s Three Revolutions

If you’re looking for any silver lining in what is happening in Egypt today, I suggest you go up 30,000 feet and look down. From that distance, the events in Egypt over the past two-and-a-half years almost make sense. Egypt has actually had three revolutions since early 2011, and when you add them all up, you can discern a message about what a majority of Egyptians are seeking.

The first revolution was the Egyptian people and the Egyptian military toppling President Hosni Mubarak and installing the former defense minister, the aging Field Marshal Mohamed Hussein Tantawi, as the de facto head of state. Tantawi and his colleagues proved utterly incompetent in running the nation and were replaced, via a revolutionary election, by the Muslim Brotherhood’s party, led by President Mohamed Morsi. He quickly tried to consolidate power by decapitating the military and installing Brotherhood sympathizers in important positions. His autocratic, noninclusive style and failed economic leadership frightened the Egyptian center, which teamed up last month with a new generation of military officers for a third revolution to oust Morsi and the Brotherhood.

To put it all in simpler terms: Egypt’s first revolution was to get rid of the dead hand, the second revolution was to get rid of the deadheads and the third revolution was to escape from the dead end.

The first revolution happened because a large number of mostly non-Islamist Egyptian youths grew fed up with the suffocating dead hand of the Mubarak era — a hand so dead that way too many young Egyptians felt they were living in a rigged system, where they had no chance of realizing their full potential, under a leader with no vision. After some 30 years of Mubarak’s rule and some $30 billion in American aid, roughly one-third of Egyptians still could not read or write.

The generals who replaced Mubarak, though, were deadheads not up to governing — so dead that many liberal Egyptians were ready to vote for the Muslim Brotherhood’s Morsi over a former Mubarak-era general in the June 2012 election. But Morsi proved more interested in consolidating the Brotherhood’s grip on government rather than governing himself, and he drove Egypt into a dead end — so dead that Egyptians took to the streets on June 30 and virtually begged the military to oust Morsi.

Add it all up and there is a message from the Egyptian majority: No more dead hands; we want a government that aspires to make Egypt the vanguard of the Arab world again. No more deadheads; we want a government that is run by competent people who can restore order and jobs. And no more dead ends; we want a government that will be inclusive and respect the fact that two-thirds of Egyptians are not Islamists and, though many are pious Muslims, they don’t want to live in anything close to a theocracy.

It is difficult to exaggerate how much the economy and law and order had deteriorated under President Morsi. So many Egyptians were feeling insecure that there was a run on police dogs! So many tour guides were out of work that tourists were warned to avoid the Pyramids because desperate camel drivers and postcard-sellers would swarm them. A poll this week by the Egyptian Center for Public Opinion Research found that 71 percent of Egyptians were “unsympathetic with pro-Morsi protests.”

Yes, it would have been much better had Morsi been voted out of office. But what is done is done. We need to make the best of it. The right thing for President Obama to be doing now is not only to ignore calls for cutting off economic aid to Egypt — on grounds that the last revolution amounted to a military coup. We should be trying to get everyone in the world to help this new Egyptian government succeed.

Not surprisingly, people are worried that Egypt’s military could stay in power indefinitely. It’s a danger, but I am less worried about that. The Egyptian people have been empowered. A majority of Egyptians have — three times now since 2011 — called a halt to their government’s going down the wrong path.

I am worried about something else: Egyptians defining the right path and getting a majority to follow that path. That is an entirely different kind of challenge, and I am not sure Egypt can ever get to that level of consensus. But this government offers the best hope for that. It has good people in important positions, like Finance and Foreign Affairs. It is rightly focused on a fair constitution and sustainable economic reform. Its job will be much easier if the Muslim Brotherhood can be re-integrated into politics, and its war with the military halted. But the Brotherhood also needs to accept that it messed up — badly — and that it needs to re-earn the trust of the people.

This is no time for America to be punishing Egyptians or demanding quick elections. Our job is to help the new government maximize the number of good economic decisions it makes, while steadily pressuring it to become more inclusive and making it possible for multiple political parties to form. If that happens, Egypt will have a proper foundation to hold democratic elections again. If it doesn’t happen, no number of elections will save it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/24/opinion/friedman-egypts-three-revolutions.html?_r=0
 
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