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Egypt and Algeria 'stunned' as Turkey gains strategic control in North Africa

They were not complaining when Britain France and US Destroyed Libya?
What wrong with them? Still getting nightmares by the Ghosts of the Ottomans?
Everyone is perusing their interests in the region. Turkish Presence is aggression while Russian Presence is Fine?

During the times of NATO & Turkey interference in Libya and the times of Russian interference in Syria ..... there were turmoils in the Arab world .... and Egyptians were more concerned about the internal affairs after the revolution ..... the other countries don’t have that much effect .

but now ..... things are different.
 
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During the times of NATO & Turkey interference in Libya and the times of Russian interference in Syria ..... there were turmoils in the Arab world .... and Egyptians were more concerned about the internal affairs after the revolution ..... the other countries don’t have that much effect .

but now ..... things are different.


yeah egypt stronk, buying toys from different countries will help you:-)....
 
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NO ..... being a NATO proxy state to fool naive Muslims... with western military bases all over your country will protect you :-)
be hnest i just cannot get it...a guy with phd in engineering vs a a guy dropped out from high school..you may say it is not my business but seems stupid after all of your war in your country ..iam not aganist sisi but no way you can change him now but you could change morsi if you are not happy with him..

nato:
and why not? we are learning from nato:)
also respect to Egypt and your deep rich history.hopefully we would be friend again ...
 
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be hnest i just cannot get it...a guy with phd in engineering vs a a guy dropped out from high school..you may say it is not my business but seems stupid after all of your war in your country ..iam not aganist sisi but no way you can change him now but you could change morsi if you are not happy with him..


I don’t know why you guys obsessed with Changing the subjects of every Egyptian thread ..... this will not make you heroes by the way ....

you have to know that we have removed Mubarak .... Morsi and if we want we can remove ELSISI ..... we will do it ...... this is something you Turks cannot understand ..... it is not about a person ( Elsisi ) .... it is about what he represents ..... a real Egyptian who cares primarily about Egypt .... who is working hard for the prosperity and glory of Egypt and Egyptians .....

That’s why you hate him .... as he was in the front line to remove your local elements supporters including Morsi .....

On the other hand ..... you should consider more about your guy Erdogan who is changing the constitution and repeating the elections if the results not fit to him ...... you should consider more your Turkish brother and sisters jailed by Erdogan only because they are POLITICALLY against him ....
 
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I don’t know why you guys obsessed with Changing the subjects of every Egyptian thread ..... this will not make you heroes by the way ....

you have to know that we have removed Mubarak .... Morsi and if we want we can remove ELSISI ..... we will do it ...... this is something you Turks cannot understand ..... it is not about a person ( Elsisi ) .... it is about what he represents ..... a real Egyptian who cares primarily about Egypt .... who is working hard for the prosperity and glory of Egypt and Egyptians .....

That’s why you hate him .... as he was in the front line to remove your local elements supporters including Morsi .....

On the other hand ..... you should consider more about your guy Erdogan who is changing the constitution and repeating the elections if the results not fit to him ...... you should consider more your Turkish brother and sisters jailed by Erdogan only because they are POLITICALLY against him ....
i had no problem with sisi behonest he look stupid little bit:) overall i really dont care who rule Egypt.but we had 3-4 coup in our country and each coup stole 10 years from our country.. soldiers cannot rule the country i hope yours can achieve..so good luck
iam not agree what yu are saying about erdogan ..problem with Turkey that we had so much freedom ..most of jailed people is supporter of pkk-pyd terrorist groups .
 
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i had no problem with sisi behonest he look stupid little bit:) overall i really dont care who rule Egypt.but we had 3-4 coup in our country and each coup stole 10 years from our country.. soldiers cannot rule the country i hope yours can achieve..so good luck
iam not agree what yu are saying about erdogan ..problem with Turkey that we had so much freedom ..most of jailed people is supporter of pkk-pyd terrorist groups .

That’s another aspect that you cannot understand what happened in Egypt during the last 10 years ..... you are dealing with that just as a reflection of your own experience of military coups .....!!
Which is wrong.....!
There was a domino effect in the Middle East in changing the governments and being a failed state ..... but the solid core of Egypt which is the Army saved Egypt from that fate ...... things are different if you see it from our perspective ..... I don’t care who rule Egypt as long as he is a true Egyptian ..... and if Elsisi deviated from that path ..... we will be against him as well.

Regarding the jailed Turkish ..... plz man there are many persons jailed for only being against Erdogan .... plz be fare .... they are human beings and have families.

about freedom in Turkey ..... let’s take a small example ..... like jailing Journalists .... in this subject.... you have full marks dear :enjoy:
 
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Turkey that we had so much freedom ..most of jailed people is supporter of pkk-pyd terrorist groups .
Unfortunately, they are not.

Turkey has the highest amount of jailed journalists in the world. You can't explain that hey this journalists is a terrorist. Let's say one or two of them are really terrorists but hundreds of journalist terrorists? And it is the only country in the world where there are journalist terrorists? It goes against simple logic.
 
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I don’t know why you guys obsessed with Changing the subjects of every Egyptian thread ..... this will not make you heroes by the way ....

you have to know that we have removed Mubarak .... Morsi and if we want we can remove ELSISI ..... we will do it ...... this is something you Turks cannot understand ..... it is not about a person ( Elsisi ) .... it is about what he represents ..... a real Egyptian who cares primarily about Egypt .... who is working hard for the prosperity and glory of Egypt and Egyptians .....

That’s why you hate him .... as he was in the front line to remove your local elements supporters including Morsi .....

On the other hand ..... you should consider more about your guy Erdogan who is changing the constitution and repeating the elections if the results not fit to him ...... you should consider more your Turkish brother and sisters jailed by Erdogan only because they are POLITICALLY against him ....

How is Sissi "true Egyptian" but Morsi wasn't? Lol...what do you even mean by that?

Egypt was a consequential regional power under Morsi. Not under Morsi...what i mean is that Egypt was a significant regional power under democratic govt. But not anymore. Even Israel-Palestine talks are now brokered by Turkey (the REAL regional super power of Eastern Mediterranean now).

Having a despotic ruler who killed elected President and now gets 97% of votes in the elections....this makes Egypt a joke in the eyes of the world. See how American night shows made fun of Egyptian "elections" last time. Facts are facts bro.

We all want a strong Egypt....a Egypt ruled by democratic forces would have been a stronger player in the region, most likely allied with Turkey to control Mediterranean and exert influence North Africa. But now, Egypt is a client state of UAE princess while Turkey is emerging as the most powerful regional power through its successful campaigns in Syria and now Libya. Google NY Times news on Libya today...they called Turkey's victories "stunning" and called Turkey the "king maker" in the region.

This would have been Egypt under democracy and its post revolution constitution
 
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Do you think that hurts us or something? :lol:
Turkeys NATO membership was nothing but benefical for Turkey, we get tech, we get protection, we get political levarage.
Those are things that Egypt has to pay a high price for, like buying Mistrals that France couldnt get rid of otherwise and that are useless in its current shape and form for Egypt.
Or selling Islands to Saudi Arabia etc etc. Yet in the end Egypt doesnt even get 1/10 of the benefits that Turkey gets.

So yeah, you might try to mock us with it but any smart person who knows anything about Geopolitics will understand how valuable a membership in such an alliance is.
 
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What "inroads"? GNA and Libyans (expect for the Syrian mercenaries that Erdogan has sent to Libya) have now turned into some imaginary Turks? If anything has been proven in this region in the modern era, it is that you can't control foreign nations effectively (even the superpower USA failed), proxies are mostly a financial burden and a political liability.

The issues in Libya can only be solved by Libyan themselves and neighboring Arab nations such as Egypt, Tunisia and Algeria should be playing the biggest roles and most constructive ones ideally.

Do you think that hurts us or something? :lol:
Turkeys NATO membership was nothing but benefical for Turkey, we get tech, we get protection, we get political levarage.
Those are things that Egypt has to pay a high price for, like buying Mistrals that France couldnt get rid of otherwise and that are useless in its current shape and form for Egypt.
Or selling Islands to Saudi Arabia etc etc. Yet in the end Egypt doesnt even get 1/10 of the benefits that Turkey gets.

So yeah, you might try to mock us with it but any smart person who knows anything about Geopolitics will understand how valuable a membership in such an alliance is.

:rofl:o_O

When did Egypt "sell" any islands to KSA?

The Legal Status of Tiran and Sanafir Islands (72 page report)


http://www.kfcris.com/pdf/01b7caee30524d724432198c6819bb035988303421a61.pdf


Conclusions and Recommendations

Saudi Arabia’s full sovereignty over the islands of Tiran and Sanafir had long explicitly been recognized by Egypt through two separate, valid and binding international agreements.
The first was the 1988–90 exchange ofletters between the Egyptian and Saudi foreign ministers, and the second was the Egyptian presidential decree 27 of 1990 (deposited with the UN), establishing Egypt’s territorial sea, which had placed Tiran and Sanafir Islandsoutside the territorial jurisdiction of Egypt. Separately and together, these two legal instruments constitute, under customary and conventional law, treaties establishing future rights and obligations on both Egypt and Saudi Arabia, including the permanent territorial settlement pertaining to the sovereigntyover Tiran and Sanafir. This has been legally enhanced by the 2016 publicforum held by Egypt’s head of state, head of government, and foreign minister who, separately and together, reconfirmed the undisputed Saudi sovereigntyover the islands in question.

Consequently, neither Egyptian court ruling of January 16,2017 declaring the two islands to be part of Egyptian territory, nor the current status and ultimate legal fate of the 2016 maritime boundary delimitation agreement will have any legal bearing whatever on the status of Saudi full sovereignty over Tiran andSanafir islands that had been settled permanently in the 1990 two international agreements, and further reconfirmed officially in the 2016 public statements ofthe Egyptian president and his government. Thus, all claims and their supporting evidence by Egypt prior to and following the conclusion of the 1990 agreements become legally irrelevant.

The median line adopted in the 2016 maritime boundary delimitation agreementwas defined principally by the 1990 Egyptian presidential decree establishing Egypt’s territorial sea, which had already placed Tiran and Sanafir Islandsoutside its territorial jurisdiction; that action, in turn, was based on Article 15 of the UNCLOS, to which Egypt had acceded to 1983. However, for Saudi Arabia to exercise actual sovereignty over the two islands, by establishing itsphysical presence, it has first to absolve Egypt of its contractual obligationsunder the terms and protocols of the peace treaty with Israel by formally assuming Egyptian commitments through becoming a signatory to the treaty.

In view of the Egyptian high administrative court ruling on January 16, 2017, voiding the 2016 agreement, followed, on February 16, 2017, by the Egyptian government’s formal reservation with UNCLOS rejecting all options of dispute

settlement mechanism, Saudi Arabia could initiate legal countermeasures. Theseshould commence in the first instance with the registration of the 1988–90exchange of letters, as constituting one international agreement, under the terms of the VCLT, in accordance with the relevant article of the UN Charter. The same action could also be taken with respect to the 2016 maritime agreement.205 Moreover, the Saudi government could also move to modify and update its current registered declarations and reservations pertaining to provisions of dispute settlement options in both the UNCLOS and the VCLT. Nevertheless, Saudi Arabia could, under the relevant clauses of both the UNCLOS and ICJ, unilaterally and without the consent of Egypt, submit a potential dispute to judicial and arbitral courts as the Philipines had done and won in July 2016, in its case against China over South china Seas islands before the International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea (ITLOS) that China refused to attend or recognize. 206 In such an eventuality, Saudi Arabia, in seeking arbitration, should avoid, at all cost, a settlement by compromise that would inevitably lead to a concession on its part,.i.e., conceding to Cairo,the strategic Tiran, theisland nearer to Egyptian coast, while retaining the almost worthless Sanafir.Thus, the unconditional return of both islands , not who has sovereignty over them, should form the purpose and object of the statement of claim and its legal basis, that Saudi Arabia would be required to formulate and submit along witha written notification to any potential judicial or arbitral tribunal.

In addition, a group of private Saudi citizens could file a carefully preparedlaw suit with the high administrative court in Saudi Arabia to counter the onethat was filed in Egypt by ‘a group of concerned private Egyptian citizens.’ Tiran and Sanafir Islands should also appear prominently on Saudi officialand school maps, included in weather forecast, and introduced into history and geography textbooks as being an administrative subdistrict of the Saudi province of Tabuk since 1926, with all this may entail.
About the Author

Dr. Askar Enazy is an independent researcher and author in international relations and international law. He holds a PhD in international relations from Cambridge University, and PhD in international law from Moscow State University of International Relations (MGIMO). He earned his master degree from McGill University, Canada, and his BA degree from the University of Maine, USA. One of his publications is “The Long Road from Taif to Jeddah: Resolution of a Saudi-Yemeni Boundary Dispute” (2006).

http://www.kfcris.com/pdf/01b7caee30524d724432198c6819bb035988303421a61.pdf

So much for those empty claims but this is PDF so not exactly a surprise.
 
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Do you think that hurts us or something? :lol:
Turkeys NATO membership was nothing but benefical for Turkey, we get tech, we get protection, we get political levarage.
Those are things that Egypt has to pay a high price for, like buying Mistrals that France couldnt get rid of otherwise and that are useless in its current shape and form for Egypt.
Or selling Islands to Saudi Arabia etc etc. Yet in the end Egypt doesnt even get 1/10 of the benefits that Turkey gets.

So yeah, you might try to mock us with it but any smart person who knows anything about Geopolitics will understand how valuable a membership in such an alliance is.

Not all NATO countries are powerful. Hungary, Romania, Croatia, Slovakia, Slovenia, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Bulgaria are all weaker than Austria or Switzerland or Sweden or Finland which are not NATO.
 
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One mre thing .. Sisi not only gave 2 islands to Saudia he also gave up Chios island to gayreeks in 2016 ( that island which was given to us during ottoman era).

they accused morsi of selling egyptian lands (which is an accuse he didn't committ) while their brave stronkkkkkkk man sisi the sissy boy gave up egyptian land.

when i participated in 2011 revolution I really thought we gonna get rid of corruption but seems like it's a final stage of cancer all over Egypt, it only needs a miracle from Allah to get rid of all those lunatics ruling Egypt.
 
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