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EADS Cassidian wants India to be 'full participant' in Eurofighter Typhoon

dude i don't understand why some pakistani members try to troll and destry the thread, no need to quote ISI and RAW here, BTW can't u think of develeping of your own? Why?

Well,it's pretty much logical from them........don't it??I mean,you know,developing something like a fighter jet or a main battle tank needs lots of resources and knowledges which unfortunately(read fortunately) our pakistany friends simply can't affore....atleast for a forseeble future.So it's not surprising(at least for me)at all.
REGARDS....
 
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Yeah,the trench 3b will definately outclass the Dassault Rafale by a significant margine but no one knows when will it come.Moreover just look at the cost!!It's damn 110-120 mn $/plane!!!!Even the PAKFA's project fly away cost is stated at 90mn.So what is the point to go for it when we can get a fighter generation ahead and that too in a lesser price????
Besides,I don't think that IAF has enough time to weight for the trench 3b.They need fast induction and in that Rafale will win hands down.
What's your say buddy????

In short, Rafale will definitely win the tender. Boy,, Dassault would get a jackpot lease of life on MRCA. :lol:. Europeans really need to get a grip on their costs. $120 million for a 4.5th generation jet is pure disaster. If we could get the production lines for the Typhoon in India, the costs could come down to $ 60 million- 70 million per jet.
 
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In short, Rafale will definitely win the tender. Boy,, Dassault would get a jackpot lease of life on MRCA. :lol:. Europeans really need to get a grip on their costs. $120 million for a 4.5th generation jet is pure disaster. If we could get the production lines for the Typhoon in India, the costs could come down to $ 60 million- 70 million per jet.

Hope so sir.But I have very much doubt that the europeans will give us a 'deep transfer of technology' as the russian gave with the MKI.What do you think sir????
 
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Hope so sir.But I have very much doubt that the europeans will give us a 'deep transfer of technology' as the russian gave with the MKI.What do you think sir????

Can you explain in detail what you mean by 'deep transfer of technology' for the MKI?
 
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Hope so sir.But I have very much doubt that the europeans will give us a 'deep transfer of technology' as the russian gave with the MKI.What do you think sir????

It is a binding clause in the contract, mate. Anyone who doesn't comply with the clause in the contract, loses out. Simple as that. So either the deal is on or off. Winner gets a massive contract and loser gets to keep his rigidity to himself. What do you think DQed the US jets? Technology wise SH was easily touted as the winner; and had US not put any restrictions, I tell you F/A-18 would have won hands down. The Congress' restrictions is what caused them to lose.
 
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By the way,the EF AESA radar may come later but will definately be much better than the RBE 2 of Rafale.

Based on? Range is not everything, especially for the future, like even the EF consortium stated and apart from range the RBE 2 AESA offers more than a good package. It ready today, will be mature and fully capable by the time we get the first squad, unlike the CAPTOR E that comes at least one year too late and with limited modes only. The RBE 2 tracks and engages more targets at the same time, will get GaN moduls earlier and will have at least twice the coverage of the EF radar in future, which shows that it has more future potential as well.
Not to forget that not even the EF radar will have as much range as the upgraded MKI, or FGFA radar, so what's the point here anyway?


One side Germany's superhuman engineering skills and on the other side, France's elegant masterstroke. This contest is a difficult one to decide. The only point where EFT loses is pricing (Tranche 3 is true multirole).

Correction, tranche T3A is not more multi role than it is today, because all it gets so far is another LGB and new BVR missiles. That doesn't make it useful in deep / stand off strikes, SEAD, maritime attack, or recon roles and even in CAS the Rafale will remain to be superior.
True multi role capabilities for EF requires fundings of new techs and weapons, or as the EF consortium calls it, the "next enhancement" upgrade, but the EF partners don't have the money to do it and that's why they searching for another partner. Btw, keep in mind that this partnership offer is not exclusive for India only, the same is on offer for Japan, South Korea and Turkey and any other country that joins, one more nation we have to negotiate with.


Yeah,the trench 3b will definately outclass the Dassault Rafale by a significant margine but no one knows when will it come.

You are highly mistaken and should take a look at this:

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The "next enhancement" are the developments where we should team up with them, or in more fitting words, that we should fund!

Green - features that are ready and funded
Orange - features that are under integration, or development now, or where comparable systems are available *
Red - features that are neiter funded, or cleared for integration yet

* Rafale has no glide bomb with wings to extend the range, but uses a rocket propullsion at AASM to reach stand off ranges. I would mark it green, but I know the EF supporters would argue that it has no wings. ;)


As you can see, most of the features on this list that the EF will get only in future, with additional costs and time for developments, as well integration is either already available on the current Rafale F3, or will be on the F3+ that from 2013 onwards. The EF is at least a full upgrade behind the Rafale, so it can just catch up, but will never offer more, although both have comparable potential. The simple fact is, while the French state is fully commited to the Rafale and constantly funding upgrades and further developments, as well as ordering new fighters, the EF partners are not and cancelling, or re-selling their fighters. That's why the Rafale is so much more capable and why it has a brighter future.

P.S. To make it clear once again, the Rafale F3+ will be available with most of this features by 2013, while the EF with all this future upgrades will not be available before 2018 (estimated by the british government)!
 
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thats good news for ISI...They can get hold of some classified technology of eurofighter from india.....instead of europe.
why only tecnology we are ready to transfer 100 MRCA to you ONLY if Pakistan agrees that the whole kashmir belongs to India only...
 
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Can you explain in detail what you mean by 'deep transfer of technology' for the MKI?

Pretty much everything on the MKI is made in India, from its own resources.

Even the Russian Saturn Al-31FP with thrust vectoring is made by HAL.
 
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Pretty much everything on the MKI is made in India, from its own resources.

Even the Russian Saturn Al-31FP with thrust vectoring is made by HAL.


Does this mean everything for the engines are made in India? This would mean that India would know how to make the crystalline turbine blades that China took such a long time to get right.
 
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Pretty much everything on the MKI is made in India, from its own resources.

Even the Russian Saturn Al-31FP with thrust vectoring is made by HAL.

I thought India is only assembling MKI, did India ordered 230 assembly kits from Russia? :what:
 
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rafale is not cheaper than typhoon..... Recently news about the uae rafale deal came out, and price is the only issue there.... uae is offering 7 billion euros, while the french want 9 billion( uae is buying 62 rafale to replace their mirages).....
Meaning that uae is offering 160 million dollars per plane but the french are refusing anything less than 200 million per plane( you can do the math yourself if you doubt me)
 
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@ sancho- the ef radar is not just better in terms of range(which is one of the most important factors), but it is also swashplate in design- most aesa radars cannot see very well to the sides( that is to an angle of greater than 60), swashplate helps it see upto 200 out of 360 degrees
 
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if a mirage upgrade costs 4 billion (including everything)- 80 million per plane, then its pretty stupid to think that the rafale which offers far more will come at same price....... I think the realistic price of rafale is far higher than what the french let on
 
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I thought India is only assembling MKI, did India ordered 230 assembly kits from Russia? :what:

India is assembling, but a certain number will be made in India.

The Hindu : National : Total indigenisation of Sukhoi next year: HAL


MOSCOW: The first fully indigenous Su-30MKI fighter plane will roll off Indian assembly lines in 2010, a top executive at Hindustan Aeronautics Limited said on Wednesday.

“Next year, HAL will achieve 100 per cent indigenisation of the Sukhoi aircraft — from the production of raw materials to the final plane assembly,” V. Balakrishnan, general manager, Aircraft Manufacturing Division, told The Hindu here.

A five-member HAL delegation is taking part in MAKS-2009, Russia’s international air show now under way here.

Out of the 230 Su-30MKI air superiority multirole fighters the Indian Air Force plans to induct by 2015, 140 aircraft are to be built in India. License production began in 2004, with the first planes assembled from knockdown kits supplied by Russia. The programme provided for a gradual increase in the number of parts and components produced locally.

Last year, HAL mastered the manufacture of the wing and the tail. This year, it started producing the fuselage and raw materials, Mr. Balakrishnan said. The final and most challenging phase involved the indigenous manufacture of the engine.

“We’re currently testing the locally produced engine for the Su-30MKI and are planning to launch its production in 2010.”(Al-31FP) HAL would manufacture 60 Su-30MKI fighters in the full production cycle till 2015, he said.

India also plans to sign an inter-governmental agreement (IGA) with Russia for supply of HAL-manufactured Sukhoi airframes for third countries. It is already supplying some avionics equipment for Sukhoi aircraft Russia is building for third countries.


Does this mean everything for the engines are made in India? This would mean that India would know how to make the crystalline turbine blades that China took such a long time to get right.

The Al-31FP is built in India by HAL at the Koraput facility under a deep technology transfer agreement.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturn_AL-31
 
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Yeah,the trench 3b will definately outclass the Dassault Rafale by a significant margine but no one knows when will it come.Moreover just look at the cost!!It's damn 110-120 mn $/plane!!!!Even the PAKFA's project fly away cost is stated at 90mn.So what is the point to go for it when we can get a fighter generation ahead and that too in a lesser price????
Besides,I don't think that IAF has enough time to weight for the trench 3b.They need fast induction and in that Rafale will win hands down.
What's your say buddy????
Developments will be there even for rafale , later rafale radar will outclass that of eft and ....
Do you really think PAKFA comes for $90 million?
Even Super Mki will not come at that price.
Ya IAF needs fast induction .
 
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