Dozens dead in Yemen as bus carrying children hit by Saudi airstrike

[Islamic faith&Secularism]

Terrorists have many asymetric options to keep the violance, one of which is to hide among civilians.

The interesting part here is that That option is widespread and almost discovered in Syria,but first to see it in Yemen. Apparently, Mullahs provide not only weapons but also such disgusting options.

Sad for civilians who either way die.

 

[Imran Khan]

Comparing Yemenis with Afghans and Yemen with Afghanistan is a grave fault. Nothing alike aside from recent years (post "Arab Spring" in 2011).

Despite 3.5 years of civil war in Yemen (in fact 4.5-5 years by large) you do not even see the same number of terror like in Afghanistan or violence.

Yemenis are cultured people with some of the oldest civilizations and nation states in the world. Comparing them with a 300 year old invention (Afghanistan) makes no sense.

Or Somalia for that matter.

well i hve not that long sight i see what i can see in media . yemen is full of weapons everyone carry guns and fighting each other since ages and they are also proxy of some countries madly firing missiles here and their even they know it will harm them more then anyone else .no unity no discipline no law and order . ISIS alqaida houthis other groups fighting in country . everything seems like afghanistan only less suicide bombing .

 

[Saif al-Arab]

well i hve not that long sight i see what i can see in media . yemen is full of weapons everyone carry guns and fighting each other since ages and they are also proxy of some countries madly firing missiles here and their even they know it will harm them more then anyone else .no unity no discipline no law and order . ISIS alqaida houthis other groups fighting in country . everything seems like afghanistan only less suicide bombing .

Weapons culture is a more recent thing. Post unification in 1990. Don't forget that the percentage of weapons owners (civilians) in Pakistan is similar to the percentage found in Yemen. So the same logic can be applied to Pakistan. Pakistan is one of the most terrorist hit areas of the world. There are lawless areas too. Tribalism, many different militant groups etc.

Don't confuse the 24 year old Houthi terrorist cult with 30 million Yemenis. You can take a look at terrorism in Yemen (terrorist attacks) and see that they are not even 5% of what you see in Afghanistan and much less than in Somalia as well.

ISIS in Yemen number less than 200 people and AQAP no more than 1000-2000 people.

You cannot compare one of the most ancient civilizations and one of the oldest nation states with a 300 year old Afghanistan that is an artificial state divided alongside ethnic and linguistic lines. Tajiks, Pashtuns, Uzbeks, Turkmens, Hazaras, Arabs etc. Each controlling their own area using warlords.

Not to mention pedophilia being a culture there (Bacha bazi). Heroin is not comparable with khat either. Khat is harmless in comparison.

If the Houthi cult did not exist, there would be less than 2500 terrorists (actively fighting) and the only challenges to kickstart Yemen's great potential would be combating corruption and solving North-South grievances fully post 1990 unification.

In Afghanistan majority of the people support Taliban and their ideology hence them controlling most of the country.

Another thing, sectarianism in Yemen is also non-existent by large contrary to Afghanistan.

There is no comparison historically other than recent era (decades). That indeed is quite similar but not that bad.

 

[HAIDER]

This need to be stopped, these KSA or UAE are not competent enough to fly such a high tech machines.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

This need to be stopped, these KSA or UAE are not competent enough to fly such a high tech machines.

Saudi Arabian pilots are some of the most experienced pilots (most flying hours) and the track record in Yemen, Iraq and Syria (bombing ISIS) proves otherwise as does the rigorous training with the best air forces of the world using the best tech that can be offered on a monthly basis.

Besides this news is another Houthi terrorist cult propaganda and the usual Houthi terrorist cult tactic of hiding among civilians after launching missiles etc.

 

[HAIDER]

Weapons culture is a more recent thing. Post unification in 1990. Don't forget that the percentage of weapons owners (civilians) in Pakistan is similar to the percentage found in Yemen.

Don't confuse the 24 year old Houthi terrorist cult with 30 million Yemenis. You can take a look at terrorism in Yemen (terrorist attacks) and see that they are not even 5% of what you see in Afghanistan and much less than in Somalia as well.

ISIS in Yemen number less than 200 people and AQAP no more than 1000-2000 people.

You cannot compare one of the most ancient civilizations and one of the oldest nation states with a 300 year old Afghanistan that is an artificial state divided alongside ethnic and linguistic lines. Tajiks, Pashtuns, Uzbeks, Turkmens, Hazaras, Arabs etc. Each controlling their own area using warlords.

Not to mention pedophilia being a culture there (Bacha bazi). Heroin is not comparable with khat either. Khat is harmless in comparison.

If the Houthi cult did not exist, there would be less than 2500 terrorists (actively fighting) and the only challenges to kickstart Yemen's great potential would be combating corruption and solving North-South grievances fully post 1990 unification.

In Afghanistan majority of the people support Taliban and their ideology hence them controlling most of the country.

Another thing, sectarianism in Yemen is also non-existent by large contrary to Afghanistan.

There is no comparison historically other than recent era (decades). That indeed is quite similar but not that bad.

Good read.
Yemen's Military: From the Tribal Army to the Warlords
https://www.ispionline.it/en/pubblicazione/yemens-military-tribal-army-warlords-19919

Another good read

Understanding the Role of Tribes in Yemen

https://ctc.usma.edu/understanding-the-role-of-tribes-in-yemen/

Saudi Arabian pilots are some of the most experienced pilots (most flying hours) and the track record in Yemen, Iraq and Syria (bombing ISIS) proves otherwise as does the rigorous training with the best air forces of the world using the best tech that can be offered.

Besides this news is another Houthi terrorist cult propaganda and the usual Houthi terrorist cult tactic of hiding among civilians after launching missiles etc.

Your King is not interested in this war, it's all because of UAE .

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Your King is not interested in this war, it's all because of UAE .

What are you blabbering about Haider?

What don't you understand? Yemen is the Southern backyard of KSA. We cannot accept an Afghanistan next door where a 24 year old hostile terrorist cult (supported by the Arabized terrorist Mullahs in Iran) is ruling half of the territory and has the ability to block the Bab el-Mandeb strait (where more than 10% of the ENTIRE world's trade passes through on a daily basis) and looking silently back.

Much money and attempts of stabilizing Yemen, hosting the largest Yemeni diaspora in the world was not done in order for an otherwise peaceful region (GCC) to have an Afghanistan next door delivered for the Houthis on a golden plate when Iraq, Iran and Syria next door are more than enough as it is.

We could have had Egypt on our Western flank as well if not for sanity prevailing among Egyptians and the Egyptian military.

UAE (along with KSA) already have bases all across the Red Sea (Djibouti, Somalia, Eritrea) and the Red Sea is already our backyard.

UAE is in it for rightfully strategic reasons and due to the same reasons as KSA by large. That their policy of wanting to create a South and North Yemen (that KSA is against) is another thing but anything is better than a Houthi terrorist cult ruling Yemen. Won't be accepted.

If we were talking about some sensible non-terrorist cult political group that did no harm in Yemen or the neighborhood nobody would have bothered and most likely supported it, similarly to how KSA supported the Zaydi monarchies in the past prior to their ouster during the Cold war.

 

[HAIDER]

What are you blabbering about Haider?

What don't you understand? Yemen is the Southern backyard of KSA. We cannot accept an Afghanistan next door where a 24 year old hostile terrorist cult (supported by the Arabized terrorist Mullahs in Iran) is ruling half of the territory and has the ability to block the Bab el-Mandeb strait (where more than 10% of the ENTIRE world's trade passes through on a daily basis) and looking silently back.

Much money and attempts of stabilizing Yemenis, hosting the largest Yemeni diaspora in the world was not done in order for an otherwise peaceful region (GCC) to have an Afghanistan next door when Iraq, Iran and Syria next door are more than enough as it is.

We could have had Egypt on our Western flank as well if not for sanity prevailing among Egyptians and the Egyptian military.

UAE (along with KSA) already have bases all across the Red Sea (Djibouti, Somalia, Eritrea) and the Red Sea is already our backyard.

UAE is in it for rightfully strategic reasons and due to the same reasons as KSA by large. That their policy of wanting to create a South and North Yemen (that KSA is against) is another thing but anything is better than a Houthi terrorist cult ruling Yemen. Won't be accepted.

The solution is in KSA , not in Iran. For how many years KSA been bombing and creating starvation. Where is Iranian in Yemen. This small so called cult is so powerful that it's confronting KSA,UAE, Somlian,Ethopian, Columbian and Sudanese soldiers for last many years and still no result. Your top people need to talk and resolve this issue. There is no solution and you know well, Yemen is tribal society and KSA is also tribal society . Tribe give respect to other tribe for peace in the neighborhood.
Calling in General election to resolve the issue. You can't have selective leadership if KSA want peace in Yemen. Afghanistan has no peace, because of selective leadership where part of problem been ignored for decades.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

The solution is in KSA , not in Iran. For how many years KSA been bombing and creating starvation. Where is Iranian in Yemen. This small so called cult is so powerful that it's confronting KSA,UAE, Somlian,Ethopian, Columbian and Sudanese soldiers for last many years and still no result. Your top people need to talk and resolve this issue. There is no solution and you know well, Yemen is tribal society and KSA is also tribal society . Tribe give respect to other tribe for peace in the neighborhood.

I don't take your "made in Mullahstan rhetoric" seriously. So-called "starvation" in Yemen is blown out of proportion (reading news half of Yemen's population should have been dead by now yet the population keeps increasing by each day). The so-called starvation is the fault of the Houthi terrorist cult and only occurs in Houthi terrorist cult controlled areas for a reason.

Where is the starvation in liberated Aden or Mocha? Show me it.

You are parroting Mullahstan rhetoric as I said due to being a Shia Twelver and following their worldview. Only a lunatic or ignorant person would deny Mullah support for the Houthi terrorist cult. It's well-known. A few days ago a terrorist "newspaper" in Iran openly had a cover where some Arabized Mullah terrorist was braking about how Iran gave an order to the Houthis of them attacking some Saudi Arabian oil tankers in the Bab el-Mandeb strait.

No Saudi Arabian or Arab is going to buy your rhetoric here.

No, 90% of Yemen being controlled by the Arab coalition and Yemeni army is no result.

Using your logic, the US has done even worse since they have been in Afghanistan for 17 years and yet cannot control most of Afghanistan. I don't think you understand militancy in mountainous regions. Since carpet bombing is no option, you don't win wars using power by large. You need to win the hearts and minds of locals which is being done in Yemen.

KSA is not comparable with Yemen. In KSA clans and tribes (which is the Arab nobility in other words) play a mostly ceremonial role and as a cultural/ancestral curiosity since we can trace our family lineages longer back than any other people in the world on average.

In Yemen on the other hand tribes are such powerful that they control entire regions and towns. You are comparing apples and oranges. That is only due to a weak central state unlike in KSA.

We see the exact same thing in Iraq and Syria were local clans and tribes gain power on the ground and control the security in area etc.

 

[HAIDER]

I don't take your "made in Mullahstan rhetoric" seriously. So-called "starvation" in Yemen is blown out of proportion (reading news half of Yemen's population should have been dead by now yet the population keeps increasing by each day). The so-called starvation is the fault of the Houthi terrorist cult and only occurs in Houthi terrorist cult controlled areas for a reason.

Where is the starvation in liberated Aden or Mocha? Show me it.

You are parroting Mullahstan rhetoric as I said due to being a Shia Twelver and following their worldview. Only a lunatic or ignorant person would deny Mullah support for the Houthi terrorist cult. It's well-known. A few days ago a terrorist "newspaper" in Iran openly had a cover where some Arabized Mullah terrorist was braking about how Iran gave an order to the Houthis of them attacking some Saudi Arabian oil tankers in the Bab el-Mandeb strait.

No Saudi Arabian or Arab is going to buy your rhetoric here.

No, 90% of Yemen being controlled by the Arab coalition and Yemeni army is no result.

Using your logic, the US has done even worse since they have been in Afghanistan for 17 years and yet cannot control most of Afghanistan. I don't think you understand militancy in mountainous regions. Since carpet bombing is no option, you don't win wars using power by large. You need to win the hearts and minds of locals which is being done in Yemen.

KSA is not comparable with Yemen. In KSA clans and tribes (which is the Arab nobility in other words) play a mostly ceremonial role and as a cultural/ancestral curiosity since we can trace our family lineages longer back than any other people in the world on average.

In Yemen on the other hand tribes are such powerful that they control entire regions and towns. You are comparing apples and oranges. That is only due to a weak central state unlike in KSA.

We see the exact same thing in Iraq and Syria were local clans and tribes gain power on the ground and control the security in area etc.

These hardline approach is the cause of war. How the Hadi was appointed head of state, wasn't a joke. Only one man is contesting election and on other person was allowed . There is not concept of selective democracy in the free world. You live in US and you know it well. You see daily protest in Washington DC.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

These hardline approach is the cause of war. How the Hadi was appointed head of state, wasn't a joke. Only one man is contesting election and on other person was allowed . There is not concept of selective democracy in the free world. You live in US and you know it well. You see daily protest in Washington DC.

You are blaming the firefighter for trying to extinguish the fire that was started by the arsonists (Houthi terrorist cult) YET AGAIN when they made a coup back in September 2014 (as I wrote they have waged several wars against the Yemeni state since their foundation in 1994).

That's a tremendously interesting "logic".

Hadi was a transitional figure and made very promising reforms such as making Yemen a federal state.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-26125721

Also what do you expect? This is the Middle East. You know it is bad (if democracy is the goal) when Israel and Turkey are the supposedly "shinning" lights in the region. Why the double standard? You are calling for democracy in Yemen but why not in Iran? Or real democracy in Pakistan. I mean democracy where the military has no say and does not meddle and where widespread corruption is removed.

Somalia also has democracy on paper yet it remains a failed state. So do most of those Sub-Saharan African states that score the lowest on all categories as well. Zimbabwe is the recent example of this.

Then you have the likes of China, KSA (no direct comparison). Strong authorization states that are far from perfect but where basic services, law and order and progress prevails and reforms take place at the right pace mostly, at least in KSA, not sure about China.

BTW I don't live in the US. Left California (as a student) years ago.

Speaking about the US, until 150 years ago you had millions of slaves, de facto slaves until 60 years ago in the South and racial segregation and what not. 190 years after the foundation of USA. Let us give the modern-day entities in the Middle East 190 more years and then we can talk. Not to forget that the US which is located far away, was never at war in the neighborhood or suffered from invasions, colonialism (post independence) etc. Different story in most of the Muslim world.

 

[HAIDER]

You are blaming the firefighter for trying to extinguish the fire that was started by the arsonists (Houthi terrorist cult) YET AGAIN when they made a coup back in September 2014 (as I wrote they have waged several wars against the Yemeni state since their foundation in 1994).

That's a tremendously interesting "logic".

Hadi was a transitional figure and made very promising reforms such as making Yemen a federal state.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-26125721

Also what do you expect? This is the Middle East. You know it is bad (if democracy is the goal) when Israel and Turkey are the supposedly "shinning" lights in the region. Why the double standard? You are calling for democracy in Yemen but why not in Iran? Or real democracy in Pakistan. I mean democracy where the military has no say and does not meddle and where widespread corruption is removed.

Somalia also has democracy on paper yet it remains a failed state. So do most of those Sub-Saharan African states that score the lowest on all categories as well. Zimbabwe is the recent example of this.

Then you have the likes of China, KSA (no direct comparison). Strong authorization states that are far from perfect but where basic services, law and order and progress prevails and reforms take place at the right pace mostly, at least in KSA, not sure about China.

BTW I don't live in the US. Left California (as a student) years ago.

Speaking about the US, until 150 years ago you had millions of slaves, de facto slaves until 60 years ago in the South and racial segregation and what not. 190 years after the foundation of USA. Let us give the modern-day entities in the Middle East 190 more years and then we can talk. Not to forget that the US which is located far away, was never at war in the neighborhood or suffered from invasions, colonialism (post independence) etc. Different story in most of the Muslim world.

Turmoil started when Hadi failed to call in general election and want more extension. I think It is Yemani people internal matter and all type of foreign intervention has no legal value and all should leave. Let Yemani people decide there fate . UN should conduct General election and handover the govt to winning parties.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Turmoil started when Hadi failed to call in general election and want more extension. I think It is Yemani people internal matter and all type of foreign intervention has no legal value and all should leave. Let Yemani people decide there fate . UN should conduct General election and handover the govt to winning parties.

Hadi has no chance in an election and he knows it.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Turmoil started when Hadi failed to call in general election and want more extension. I think It is Yemani people internal matter and all type of foreign intervention has no legal value and all should leave. Let Yemani people decide there fate . UN should conduct General election and handover the govt to winning parties.

That is not how the world works. Firstly Yemen aside from being a Yemeni matter is also an Arab matter. Same case anywhere else in the Arab world. When unrest occurs in one Arab country (case in point Tunisia where the "Arab Spring" began) it impacts events in other Arab countries due to shared geography, language, culture, history, close people to people relations, media penetration (all it takes are a few hashtags in Arabic on Twitter etc. or Arab forums).

KSA shares an almost 2000 km long (mostly mountainous) border with Yemen. Sometimes there is no physical border (most of that border region in fact). Meaning no fence or security. Hence the frequent trespassing. Similar to the US/Mexico border just even worse.

Yemen became a direct Saudi Arabian matter when 1000's upon 1000's of illegal Yemenis, Horners, Africans etc. started crossing into KSA in search of a better life. Smuggling drugs, weapons, khat etc. into KSA.

Border region geography:

KSA side:

The remaining 500-800 km is the Rub al-Khali desert which is another Wild West.

This makes the borderlands of Syria and Iraq a joke in comparison which it is.

It also does not become a solely Yemeni matter when a 24 year old terrorist cult (that KSA has waged 1 war against already 10 years ago) threatens the security of the borderlands of KSA either.

Some states might accept such a status quo but not KSA.

 

[timmy_area51]

is this place near where the socotra island is ?