Does India have a history of 10000 years?

[Kashmiri Pandit]

Aryan invasion theory is a lie that has failed to stand the hammer of time , which is now replaced by an even bigger lie of the Migration of Aryans .

 

[PatriotLover]

I don't get the purpose of such threads. It becomes a circle jerk between Indians and they get a platform to further their propaganda and agenda.

 

[Alternative]

Cave men did not ride horses, or use weapons like swords, shields, bow and arrow as show in the cave drawings.

Some of the best paintings in Bhimbetka are located in site called Zoo Rock. It contains paintings from 10,000 BC - made by lime and from 5,000 - 3,000 BC - made by vegetable colors and iron. These drawings show diverse animals, warriors riding on horses and elephants. All warriors are armed with swords and shields, bows, arrows, spears, daggers.

Cave men did drawings in Caves, in their dwelling places; of the scenes of life that they observed: Why would a city dweller would go in caves to scratch rocks? unless for religious purposes. Majority of cave art found in world was in caves that were used for residential purposes.

Following is the link of site which explains the many different phases of rock art at Bhimbetka, Horse appear in much later in phase 7; There much "over written" content also;

http://www.bradshawfoundation.com/india/central_india/bhimbetka2.php

 

[TISSOT]

Cave men did drawings in Caves, in their dwelling places; of the scenes of life that they observed: Why would a city dweller would go in caves to scratch rocks? unless for religious purposes. Majority of cave art found in world was in caves that were used for residential purposes.

Following is the link of site which explains the many different phases of rock art at Bhimbetka, Horse appear in much later in phase 7; There much "over written" content also;

http://www.bradshawfoundation.com/india/central_india/bhimbetka2.php

The cave paintings are spread roughly around 40 km² large area.

So far we have found some 760 caves on seven hills and more than 500 of these caves contain paintings and other artwork.

The largest number of caves is on Bhimbetka Hill - 243 caves and Lakha Juar - 178 caves.


The oldest examination of the nine cupules on Chief's Rock in that cave shows antiquity well in excess of 1,00,000 years and that was confirmed" by microerosion analysis.

The Bhimbetka cupule and meandering line are currently the oldest dated petroglyphs in the world.

In a wider area around Bhimbetka there are known more than 1,700 rock shelters. 2 kilometres south-east from Bhimbetka, 1 km east from Bhianpur there is another group of caves with ancient paintings - Chhoti Jamun Jhiri.

There are caves that are large enough to take hundreds of people.

The oldest painting here is 15,000 years old. Some archaeologist claim them to be even 30,000 years old.

In 1990 we discovered 9 cupules - simple, round hemispheric cavities with traces of red pigment. They looked very old but it was nearly impossible to find their true age. Then a tenth cupule with meandering line next to it was discovered. These petroglyphs were covered by deposits from the Acheulian period and later periods.

Based on these findings, it was now possible to find the age of these petroglyphs, and it was discovered that they were made at least 290,000 years ago.

Later research by other dating methods (micro-erosion analysis) gave even more incredible result - that these cupules were made 700,000 years ago.

 

[Nan Yang]

There are multiple rock paintings in India that is over 15,000 years old. Those are the only archaeological "evidence" of civilization that survived since they were deep in caves.

Men riding horses and carrying weapons.

Wars being fought with swords, shields and Bow/arrows.

When ever Indian Poster make such a claim it always good to double check. Never never trust an Indian.
Yes, these rock painting may be 15,000 years old. But the paintings are added through the ages.

And sure enough AS ALWAYS.
Example - The painting with horseman were added only in the "Early Historic Period" which is AD300 to AD500.

Period I - (Upper Paleolithic): These are linear representations, in green and dark red, of huge figures of animals such as bison, tigers and rhinoceroses.

Period II - (Mesolithic): Comparatively small in size the stylised figures in this group show linear decorations on the body. In addition to animals there are human figures and hunting scenes, giving a clear picture of the weapons they used: barbed spears, pointed sticks, bows and arrows. The depiction of communal dances, birds, musical instruments, mothers and children, pregnant women, men carrying dead animals, drinking and burials appear in rhythmic movement.

Period III - (Chalcolithic) Similar to the paintings of the Chalcolithic, these drawings reveal that during this period the cave dwellers of this area were in contact with the agricultural communities of the Malwa plains, exchanging goods with them.

Period IV & V - (Early historic): The figures of this group have a schematic and decorative style and are painted mainly in red, white and yellow. The association is of riders, depiction of religious symbols, tunic-like dresses and the existence of scripts of different periods. The religious beliefs are represented by figures of yakshas, tree gods and magical sky chariots.

Period VI & VII - (Medieval) : These paintings are geometric linear and more schematic, but they show degeneration and crudeness in their artistic style. The colors used by the cave dwellers were prepared by combining manganese, hematite and wooden coal.
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[Alternative]

People of Indus could be pretty much dead .
1400 years of continuous killing of native people of this region by Central Asians and Middle East savages . I am not calling the current people savages , though some still are savage .
But at least we have preserved the cultural heritage of the Indus

Aryans were Central Asians, so were Scythians, Huns, Turkic etc which attacked subcontinent: There was only one invasion by middle eastern, that of Muhammad Bin Qasim in 712 CE.
Who is "we" in your post that has preserved the cultural heritage of Indus?

Horse remains can be found in Indus Valley site Surkotda .
Terracotas of Horse are found .

Unicorns are just a Variety of Horse

Unicorns as depicted on indus seals are not horses with a horn; look at the below image.

No evidence of horse was found in major cities like, Harappa, Mohenjodaro, Dholavira etc and you seem to have found evidence of horse on small a IVC settlement; Why don't you write a 'paper' and claim glory.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]

 

[Kashmiri Pandit]

Aryans were Central Asians, so were Scythians, Huns, Turkic etc which attacked subcontinent: There was only one invasion by middle eastern, that of Muhammad Bin Qasim in 712 CE.
Who is "we" in your post that has preserved the cultural heritage of Indus?


Unicorns as depicted on indus seals are not horses with a horn; look at the below image.

No evidence of horse was found in major cities like, Harappa, Mohenjodaro, Dholavira etc and you seem to have found evidence of horse on small a IVC settlement; Why don't you write a 'paper' and claim glory.

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Lets keep that a Mystery

Indian Administrative Services in their History Books have clearly mentioned about the findings of Horse Remains .
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surkotada

 

[TISSOT]

When ever Indian Poster make such a claim it always good to double check. Never never trust an Indian.
Yes, these rock painting may be 15,000 years old. But the paintings are added through the ages.

And sure enough AS ALWAYS.
Example - The painting with horseman were added only in the "Early Historic Period" which is AD300 to AD500.

Where does it say that painting with horseman was added in 300-500 AD ?

These are images from the Chalcolithic age i.e. 4000 BC or 6000 years ago.

You see the Horses ? the bow and arrow ? the chariot drawn by horses ?

 

[Alternative]

Which is why we can consider that the Vedas were revealed before the Saptrsi calendar was formed. Maybe during the formation of the Saptrsi calendar. SO its around 27,000 BC which makes it almost 30,000 years old.

There is no need to mention Rama as son of Dasarath since no other god is mentioned by their fathers name either. The Mandala where he is mentioned is called "Visvedevas" or All the worlds gods.

There is no other Ram in record that is worshiped as a god or revered.

If Veda was revealing name of Rama, the 7th Avatar, as you say so with all of world gods, it don't make sense as there were many other gods that came after and We all know that Rama is not one of the Vedic god.

I have made my observations on the basis of the ancient Saptarsi calender which is based on the Precession observed in the night sky and was in use during Mahabharata.

All "studies" made by ignorant western "scholars" is meaningless unless we take all the evidence into account. and not look at any individual evidence in isolation like what they did with the Vedas. Their successors were the children of Macaulay, turned 'historians' who know NOTHING of ancient Indian history except what the British taught them.

Their 'scholarship' is laughable.

An ancient thriving civilization like India would have imported horses and the very fact that horses are depicted in cave paintings that is more than 7000 years old talks about how biased and prejudiced the AIT was. The AIT has died with the british. Maybe it lives in pakistan, not in INdia.

IVC may or may not have horses. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. That is a logical fallacy.

Cave paintings of horses are there but its age in not established, as mentioned by other posters also in detail.
IVC did not had horse; horse is not native to Sub-continent; these are established facts, not the absence of evidence.
Your wild claims on the western scholars, without any shred of evidence, are a mockery of hard efforts of Indologists and their contribution presenting ancient indian thoughs and philosophy to whole world.

Lets keep that a Mystery

Indian Administrative Services in their History Books have clearly mentioned about the findings of Horse Remains .
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surkotada

Don't know what you are trying to convey or prove.
Again, horse is not native to subcontinent: Unicorn depicted on hundreds of IVC seals is not a horse; some other beast with a single horn, which had perplexed the archaeologist since its discovery on seal of IVC, and still un-identified.

The cave paintings are spread roughly around 40 km² large area.

So far we have found some 760 caves on seven hills and more than 500 of these caves contain paintings and other artwork.

The largest number of caves is on Bhimbetka Hill - 243 caves and Lakha Juar - 178 caves.


The oldest examination of the nine cupules on Chief's Rock in that cave shows antiquity well in excess of 1,00,000 years and that was confirmed" by microerosion analysis.

The Bhimbetka cupule and meandering line are currently the oldest dated petroglyphs in the world.

In a wider area around Bhimbetka there are known more than 1,700 rock shelters. 2 kilometres south-east from Bhimbetka, 1 km east from Bhianpur there is another group of caves with ancient paintings - Chhoti Jamun Jhiri.

There are caves that are large enough to take hundreds of people.

The oldest painting here is 15,000 years old. Some archaeologist claim them to be even 30,000 years old.

In 1990 we discovered 9 cupules - simple, round hemispheric cavities with traces of red pigment. They looked very old but it was nearly impossible to find their true age. Then a tenth cupule with meandering line next to it was discovered. These petroglyphs were covered by deposits from the Acheulian period and later periods.

Based on these findings, it was now possible to find the age of these petroglyphs, and it was discovered that they were made at least 290,000 years ago.

Later research by other dating methods (micro-erosion analysis) gave even more incredible result - that these cupules were made 700,000 years ago.

All that you wrote, have been published in a Archaeology Journal of any repute? have been peer reviewed?

Different phases have been identified during which drawing were produced; and interest to me related to topic was the mention of horse and to the time period it could be traced to.
And age of domestication of horse in subcontinent can't be deduced from these drawings and petroglaphs. which accumulated over a very long period, apparently.

 

[My-Analogous]

The name "China" comes from the Sanskrit word "sina" for that land.

The name "Man" comes from the sanskrit word "Manu".

The name India is what the outsiders called us, we called our-self Bharat. Hence "Maha Bharat"

WE still do.

Do go here and there. Indus belong to us and if you want to change your country name Bharat then we don't have any objection, but stole our name is not good and only we have a write to use our ancestors name not you.

For indians its Bharat Varsh
So probably it would not make sense to you when you talk about India.
Probably reading more about Jambhu Dweep - > Bharat Khanda - > Bharat Varsha will help you to understand the history.



Next time please do check your back when you make loud noise.


Islam came like 2000 yrs ago, so who are these guys at Riwat, for sure not muslims.
Although we know Gandhars where there before 2000yrs where Riwat is and they where following Hinduism.

Don't go here and there Hinduism come 5000 bc and indus civilization is 7500 bc old, so base on your claim you also don't claim based on religion. now if your claim is base on land then it is us who have it. Correct the history from your text book. Indus valley civilization didn't follow your religion and they have different religion. Greece and Roman didn't follow Christianity and so do Egypt but based on land they claim as part of history and everyone in the world accept that. I don't which standard Indians do follow but definitely not from this world

http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/ha...-important-than-mohenjo-daro-data/231004.html

So name your country from that and please leave our civilization and stop using that. You guys seriously having identity problems and try to stole our based on your lame claims

 

[Alternative]

Do go here and there. Indus belong to us and if you want to change your country name Bharat then we don't have any objection, but stole our name is not good and only we have a write to use our ancestors name not you.



Don't go here and there Hinduism come 5000 bc and indus civilization is 7500 bc old, so base on your claim you also don't claim based on religion. now if your claim is base on land then it is us who have it. Correct the history from your text book. Indus valley civilization didn't follow your religion and they have different religion. Greece and Roman didn't follow Christianity and so do Egypt but based on land they claim as part of history and everyone in the world accept that. I don't which standard Indians do follow but definitely not from this world



So name your country from that and please leave our civilization and stop using that. You guys seriously having identity problems and try to stole our based on your lame claims

Oh Bhai, get timelines right;
Indus Valley Civilization ended circa 1900 B.C. after flourishing for 2500-3000 years; Vedic period is generally taken about 1000-500 B.C.
IVC is altogether different and alien from Vedic Civilization.

 

[My-Analogous]

Oh Bhai, get timelines right;
Indus Valley Civilization ended circa 1900 B.C. after flourishing for 2500-3000 years; Vedic period is generally taken about 1000-500 B.C.
IVC is altogether different and alien from Vedic Civilization.

Indus valley civilization start from 7000 bc. approximately and ended 2600 BC

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehrgarh

 

[TISSOT]

If Veda was revealing name of Rama, the 7th Avatar, as you say so with all of world gods, it don't make sense as there were many other gods that came after and We all know that Rama is not one of the Vedic god.

How do "we" know Ram was not one of the vedic gods ?

If he is mentioned in the vedas, that makes him one of the Vedic gods.

Cave paintings of horses are there but its age in not established, as mentioned by other posters also in detail.
IVC did not had horse; horse is not native to Sub-continent; these are established facts, not the absence of evidence.
Your wild claims on the western scholars, without any shred of evidence, are a mockery of hard efforts of Indologists and their contribution presenting ancient indian thoughs and philosophy to whole world.

IVC having images of horses or not having images of horses is irrelevant to the issue. They may be important to you, but not in the over all scheme of things.

The cave paintings of horses have been dated to over 8,000 BC.

http://www.academia.edu/8378646/Bhimbetka_Horse_with_riding_10_000_years_old

The theories of a vast majority of Indologist in the world are a joke. There is no need to make a mockery of them, they do a good job themselves. Rajiv Malhotra has published multiple books stripping bare their ignorance, prejudice and bigotry.

All that you wrote, have been published in a Archaeology Journal of any repute? have been peer reviewed?

Different phases have been identified during which drawing were produced; and interest to me related to topic was the mention of horse and to the time period it could be traced to.
And age of domestication of horse in subcontinent can't be deduced from these drawings and petroglaphs. which accumulated over a very long period, apparently.

Yes and Yes. You can google it. The survey was done by the ASI so publication is a must.

In fact Bhinbetka has been declared a UNISCO World Heritage site.

Domesticated horses are mentioned in the Vedas and Ramayana. They cave painting only provides collaborative evidence.

The oldest painting in Bhimbetka is over 30.000 years old.

Do go here and there. Indus belong to us and if you want to change your country name Bharat then we don't have any objection, but stole our name is not good and only we have a write to use our ancestors name not you.

Indus flows form India to pakistan.

Its the Hindu civilization that made Indus famous, the Indus did not make the Hindus famous.

If you want to start using your ancestors name and reject arabic names and religion, be my guest.

Maybe the Americans can learn from you too and start adopting Native american names and history too.

 

[Magi Brahmin]

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Ask to your ancestors chine.se, we n9t only civilized you but also conquered you without sending single soldier.

 

[My-Analogous]

How do "we" know Ram was not one of the vedic gods ?

If he is mentioned in the vedas, that makes him one of the Vedic gods.




IVC having images of horses or not having images of horses is irrelevant to the issue. They may be important to you, but not in the over all scheme of things.

The cave paintings of horses have been dated to over 8,000 BC.

http://www.academia.edu/8378646/Bhimbetka_Horse_with_riding_10_000_years_old

The theories of a vast majority of Indologist in the world are a joke. There is no need to make a mockery of them, they do a good job themselves. Rajiv Malhotra has published multiple books stripping bare their ignorance, prejudice and bigotry.




Yes and Yes. You can google it. The survey was done by the ASI so publication is a must.

In fact Bhinbetka has been declared a UNISCO World Heritage site.

Domesticated horses are mentioned in the Vedas and Ramayana. They cave painting only provides collaborative evidence.

The oldest painting in Bhimbetka is over 30.000 years old.



Indus flows form India to pakistan.

Its the Hindu civilization that made Indus famous, the Indus did not make the Hindus famous.

If you want to start using your ancestors name and reject arabic names and religion, be my guest.

Maybe the Americans can learn from you too and start adopting Native american names and history too.

Prove it that it is Hindu civilization and with neutral source and Indus didn't start from India and it start from China, by your logic this civilization is Chinese then. Grown up and follow international standard. And for your knowledge please note that Indus river flow only 5% in India and 93% in Pakistan and 2% in China