Does India have a history of 10000 years?

[TISSOT]

I think you don't know that horse was not found naturally in Sub-continent; IVC which ended 1900 B.C. and left behind a lot of information of its resident and flora and fauna; horse is missing, nowhere to be found on seals (except a desperate attempt to forge a horse seal was made by some desperate persons ), toys, tablets etc.
Aryans introduced the horse in sub-continent.

LOL. The cave paintings proves you wrong, doesn't it ?

Not only was horses well known as mentioned in the purans which are dated older than IVC , the rock paintings prove they were domesticated and used for transport.


It just proves what rubbish the whole AIT was.

 

[Alternative]

LOL. The cave paintings proves you wrong, doesn't it ?

Not only was horses well known as mentioned in the purans which are dated older than IVC , the rock paintings prove they were domesticated and used for transport.


It just proves what rubbish the whole AIT was.

Purans are not older than Vedas, and Vedas were written 1500-1000 B.C. Horses were first domesticated at about 3500-3000 B.C. in Central Asia............. your assertion of rock painting showing domestication of horse of circa 15000 B.C. is, what can I say.... ludicrous.

Rock painting as old as 35000 years old has been found, and hundreds of others, and only your claimed painting with age of 17000 years which show the domesticated horse is the only one......... You can believe what you like.

 

[TISSOT]

Purans are not older than Vedas, and Vedas were written 1500-1000 B.C. Horses were first domesticated at about 3500-3000 B.C. in Central Asia............. your assertion of rock painting showing domestication of horse of circa 15000 B.C. is, what can I say.... ludicrous.

Rock painting as old as 35000 years old has been found, and hundreds of others, and only your claimed painting with age of 17000 years which show the domesticated horse is the only one......... You can believe what you like.

Ramayan is older than the vedas and horses are mentioned in the Ramayana.

The horse painted on the rock is about 9000 years old.

 

[Alternative]

Ramayan is older than the vedas and horses are mentioned in the Ramayana.

The horse painted on the rock is about 9000 years old.

If we go by mythology, Veda was revealed in Satya Yuga and Rama the 7th Avatar of Vishnu was in Tretya Yuga: Further considering Rama before Veda mean that............. don't make any sense to me.
We all know that Rama was not mentioned in Vedas, but alternatively Vedas are mention in Ramayan.
So the Ramayan can't be older than Vedas.


Lesson of History is that Ramayan originated from about 400-500 C.E. and Vedas from 1000-500 B.C.


Interesting part is that older budhist texts do mention Mahabharta but don't mention Ramayan.

 

[TISSOT]

If we go by mythology, Veda was revealed in Satya Yuga and Rama the 7th Avatar of Vishnu was in Tretya Yuga: Further considering Rama before Veda mean that............. don't make any sense to me.
We all know that Rama was not mentioned in Vedas, but alternatively Vedas are mention in Ramayan.
So the Ramayan can't be older than Vedas.

Lesson of History is that Ramayan originated from about 400-500 C.E. and Vedas from 1000-500 B.C.

Interesting part is that older budhist texts do mention Mahabharta but don't mention Ramayan.

Actually both occurs. Veda's are mentioned in the Ramayana and Rama is mentions in the vedas. The ramayana itself is written in the Gayatra mantra meter (mentioned in the Vedas)

However Vedas are called Apaurusheya i.e. un-authored and No timeline is given for its origin.

Ramayana however occurs during the Treta yuga.

IN any case both the text mention horses.

All timelines assigned to Ithihas and purans by western christian are meaningless and are not worthy of any consideration.

As per the saptarsi calendar , Satya yuga starts at 12,676 BC and Treta yuga starts in 9,676 BC.

Since Veda's are called timeless its possible that it was compiled before 12,676 BC and Ramayan was written between 9,676 BC and 6676 BC which was the start of Dwapara yuga.

 

[faithfulguy]

There are multiple rock paintings in India that is over 15,000 years old. Those are the only archaeological "evidence" of civilization that survived since they were deep in caves.

Men riding horses and carrying weapons.

Wars being fought with swords, shields and Bow/arrows.

Cave men art does not represent history. We need written artifacts dated from the time when the events occurred.

 

[Sanchez]

Cave men art does not represent history. We need written artifacts dated from the time when the events occurred.

It’d be difficult to link those to presentday Indians...

 

[faithfulguy]

If we go by mythology, Veda was revealed in Satya Yuga and Rama the 7th Avatar of Vishnu was in Tretya Yuga: Further considering Rama before Veda mean that............. don't make any sense to me.
We all know that Rama was not mentioned in Vedas, but alternatively Vedas are mention in Ramayan.
So the Ramayan can't be older than Vedas.


Lesson of History is that Ramayan originated from about 400-500 C.E. and Vedas from 1000-500 B.C.


Interesting part is that older budhist texts do mention Mahabharta but don't mention Ramayan.

Since the earliest artifact of Vedas is not before 500 BC, we need to start tracing from that time. Indian claim of 10000 history base on cave man drawing is ridiculous. The truth is that India was created in 1947. Prior to that, the people live in the Indian subcontinent share only their oppressive caste system. These people has no self awareness of being in a country called India, only the kingdom or empire that they live in.

It’d be difficult to link those to presentday Indians...

Since Indians are poor historical record keepers, they don't have the tradition of maintaining historical chronically, unlike middle Easterners, East Asian or even Europeans. Indian historical record accuracy and validity is in line of sub Saharan African.

 

[911]

The truth is that India was created in 1947.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field_hockey_at_the_Summer_Olympics

 

[TISSOT]

Cave men art does not represent history. We need written artifacts dated from the time when the events occurred.

Cave men did not ride horses, or use weapons like swords, shields, bow and arrow as show in the cave drawings.

Some of the best paintings in Bhimbetka are located in site called Zoo Rock. It contains paintings from 10,000 BC - made by lime and from 5,000 - 3,000 BC - made by vegetable colors and iron. These drawings show diverse animals, warriors riding on horses and elephants. All warriors are armed with swords and shields, bows, arrows, spears, daggers.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

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Republic of India is very new. Older than People's Republic of China by two years. But still new.

Bharat or the people of this land and our civilization - that is very old.

 

[Alternative]

Actually both occurs. Veda's are mentioned in the Ramayana and Rama is mentions in the vedas. The ramayana itself is written in the Gayatra mantra meter (mentioned in the Vedas)

However Vedas are called Apaurusheya i.e. un-authored and No timeline is given for its origin.

Ramayana however occurs during the Treta yuga.

IN any case both the text mention horses.

All timelines assigned to Ithihas and purans by western christian are meaningless and are not worthy of any consideration.

As per the saptarsi calendar , Satya yuga starts at 12,676 BC and Treta yuga starts in 9,676 BC.

Since Veda's are called timeless its possible that it was compiled before 12,676 BC and Ramayan was written between 9,676 BC and 6676 BC which was the start of Dwapara yuga.

Veda is Sruti, as you know, revealed: When a 'thing' is revealed, then a time can be assigned to that revelation.
message in revelation and time of revelation is then fixed.
There is no mention of Rama, son of Dasarath, 7th incarnation of Vishu; a mere mention of a name Rame in manadala 10, Sukta 93 and Rik 14 don't establish a connection; as majority of Veda scholars had opined.
So it is conclusive that Vedas are Older than Ramayana.
There are many other interpretations, other than yours, to yuga are available, many going for millions of years; and I will opt to leave it at that.
Timelines assigned to Sruti and Simriti literature by western cristians And many of hindu indians are based and supported by linguistic and etymological studies, comparative archaeology, historical studies etc. and are not out of thin air.
Fact is that horse was not native of Subcontinent; Aryans brought horse to Subcontinent circa 1600-1500 B.C.
Veda originated from 1500 B.C. on wards, mainly carried on in oral tradition, were written down much later.

IVC had no horse.

Horses were domesticated around 3000 B.C. in Central Asia. Cave painting showing domesticated horse hold no evidence of being 9000 or so years old.

 

[TISSOT]

I wanted to correct my earlier post. As per the Saptrsi Calendar the ,

Satya Yuga starts in 27,402 BC.
Treta Yuga in 16,602 BC
Dwapara Yuga in 8,502 BC
Kali yuga in 3,102 BC

So that would place the Ramayana between 16,602 BC and 8,502 BC.

And the Vedas older than 27,402 BC.

 

[Kashmiri Pandit]

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People of Indus could be pretty much dead .
1400 years of continuous killing of native people of this region by Central Asians and Middle East savages . I am not calling the current people savages , though some still are savage .
But at least we have preserved the cultural heritage of the Indus

Veda is Sruti, as you know, revealed: When a 'thing' is revealed, then a time can be assigned to that revelation.
message in revelation and time of revelation is then fixed.
There is no mention of Rama, son of Dasarath, 7th incarnation of Vishu; a mere mention of a name Rame in manadala 10, Sukta 93 and Rik 14 don't establish a connection; as majority of Veda scholars had opined.
So it is conclusive that Vedas are Older than Ramayana.
There are many other interpretations, other than yours, to yuga are available, many going for millions of years; and I will opt to leave it at that.
Timelines assigned to Sruti and Simriti literature by western cristians And many of hindu indians are based and supported by linguistic and etymological studies, comparative archaeology, historical studies etc. and are not out of thin air.
Fact is that horse was not native of Subcontinent; Aryans brought horse to Subcontinent circa 1600-1500 B.C.
Veda originated from 1500 B.C. on wards, mainly carried on in oral tradition, were written down much later.

IVC had no horse.

Horses were domesticated around 3000 B.C. in Central Asia. Cave painting showing domesticated horse hold no evidence of being 9000 or so years old.

Horse remains can be found in Indus Valley site Surkotda .
Terracotas of Horse are found .

Unicorns are just a Variety of Horse

 

[TISSOT]

Veda is Sruti, as you know, revealed: When a 'thing' is revealed, then a time can be assigned to that revelation.
message in revelation and time of revelation is then fixed.
There is no mention of Rama, son of Dasarath, 7th incarnation of Vishu; a mere mention of a name Rame in manadala 10, Sukta 93 and Rik 14 don't establish a connection; as majority of Veda scholars had opined.
So it is conclusive that Vedas are Older than Ramayana.
There are many other interpretations, other than yours, to yuga are available, many going for millions of years; and I will opt to leave it at that.
Timelines assigned to Sruti and Simriti literature by western cristians And many of hindu indians are based and supported by linguistic and etymological studies, comparative archaeology, historical studies etc. and are not out of thin air.
Fact is that horse was not native of Subcontinent; Aryans brought horse to Subcontinent circa 1600-1500 B.C.
Veda originated from 1500 B.C. on wards, mainly carried on in oral tradition, were written down much later.

IVC had no horse.

Horses were domesticated around 3000 B.C. in Central Asia. Cave painting showing domesticated horse hold no evidence of being 9000 or so years old.

Which is why we can consider that the Vedas were revealed before the Saptrsi calendar was formed. Maybe during the formation of the Saptrsi calendar. SO its around 27,000 BC which makes it almost 30,000 years old.

There is no need to mention Rama as son of Dasarath since no other god is mentioned by their fathers name either. The Mandala where he is mentioned is called "Visvedevas" or All the worlds gods.

There is no other Ram in record that is worshiped as a god or revered.

I have made my observations on the basis of the ancient Saptarsi calender which is based on the Precession observed in the night sky and was in use during Mahabharata.

All "studies" made by ignorant western "scholars" is meaningless unless we take all the evidence into account. and not look at any individual evidence in isolation like what they did with the Vedas. Their successors were the children of Macaulay, turned 'historians' who know NOTHING of ancient Indian history except what the British taught them.

Their 'scholarship' is laughable.

An ancient thriving civilization like India would have imported horses and the very fact that horses are depicted in cave paintings that is more than 7000 years old talks about how biased and prejudiced the AIT was. The AIT has died with the british. Maybe it lives in pakistan, not in INdia.

IVC may or may not have horses. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. That is a logical fallacy.