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Tuesday, Jul 9, 2013, 5:27 IST| Place: New Delhi | Agency: DNA
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The incident took place on June 17 when a Chinese patrolintruded into the Indian side and dismantled the cameras set up in Chumur near Daulat Beg Oldie.

A little over two weeks ago, Chinese troops intruded into the same areas in the Leh-Ladakh sector that had sparked off tensions in April and threatened the locals in Hindi. The troops even broke the high-resolution cameras that the Indian Army had set up in the area a month ago.
While the army headquarters is tight-lipped about the incident, the broken camera equipment was returned to an Indian Army patrol at a flag meeting on July 3 in Chusul area following furious negotiations between the two sides.
The incident took place on June 17 when a Chinese patrolintruded into the Indian side and dismantled the cameras set up in Chumur near Daulat Beg Oldie. Sources in the security establishment said thecameras had been put up afterthe Indian Army dismantled some of its structures following the resolution of the stand-off in April. While the army dismantled the tin sheds it had set up, it quietly set up high-resolution cameras to monitor any Chinese movementon their side of the Line of Actual Control (LAC).
The Chinese patrol was proficient in Hindi and threatened locals, asking them to vacate the area, claiming it to be their own. The incident was reported to the government by Indian intelligence agencies and confirmed by the Indo-Tibetan Border Police. It was, however,kept under wraps as the government did not want another international controversy while it was also battling the Uttarakhand floods.
Ironically, this flare up took place even as Union defence minister AK Antony was scheduled to travel to China for a bilateral visit this month.
Indian officials feel the repeated incursions are a result of an internal tussle between the Chinese PLA (People's Liberation Army) and PLAN (People's Liberation ArmyNavy). "There is a subtle power struggle going on withinthe Chinese leadership. This has resulted in the Chinese becoming aggressive in the South China Sea and the Leh-Ladakh sector, with leaders using the incidents to prove their supremacy in the party hierarchy," a senior government analyst told dna. There is also a major difference of perception between Delhi and Beijing on where the LAC is. "The Chinese perception is very different from ours. So, every time they intrude, they insist itis their territory while we claimit is ours," the analyst said.
The Indian Army has stopped patrolling the Chumur sector as part of a bilateral deal between Delhi and Beijing. However, the June 17 incident shows that the Chinese continue to be as aggressive as ever.
dna exclusive: Hindi-speaking Chinese troops intrude into India again, break security cameras - India - DNA
 
I really hope a regime change in 2014. Manmohan and company is incompetent and incapable of dealing with evil chinese.
 
Why can't we have some of these monitoring system in our LAC, Automatic detection and shooting no one should be allowed to comeover other than official entry point.

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deploy first rudra helicopter squadran in august dont worry pakistan border take care of chinese fox
 
Damn. Seems like Indians got slapped by China.

Really? Then why did they get so spooked over a cam?

:)

Indian patrols to move closer to China border - Hindustan Times

With improvement in infrastructure, India is getting ready to be more assertive along its disputed border with China.

Top government sources have told HT that Indian forces may soon patrol deeper into the disputed territory with China, beyond the limits observed before the recent three-week border standoff in Ladakh.

However, they would still not be carrying out surveillance all the way up to India's perceived border because of a self-imposed restriction that has never been made public.

Classified documents accessed by HT have revealed that India currently restricts its surveillance to a self-imposed 'patrolling limit' ranging from 2km to 20km inside New Delhi's perception of the line of actual control (LAC).

The common belief, based on public statements by the government, was that Indian forces patrol right up to the LAC - the undefined border disputed by both sides.

Indian and Chinese armies restarted patrols in eastern Ladakh after the standoff, but Indian forces do not venture beyond the 'patrolling limit', a top army officer confirmed.

He added that the so-called 'patrolling limit' predated the April 15 Chinese incursion, and it may have been imposed in the 1960s after the India-China war.

"The patrolling limit is being reconsidered in some swathes due to improvement in infrastructure on our side," a top government source said, adding that poor infrastructure had so far been a constraint for Indian forces to be able to patrol right up to New Delhi's perceived LAC.

Indian forces carry out patrols up to points referred to as P10, P11, P11A, P12 and P13 that define the 'patrolling limit' in Daulat Beg Oldie sector.

The secret map identifying the patrol points was recently analysed by the China Study Group, which is India's top policy body on China.

Indian patrol parties from Burtse, 10km southeast from the face-off site, march up to patrol point P10, return to Raki Nala and then take up the second leg of the surveillance to P11 the next day.

The surveillance cycle covering all the points takes up to five days, and is carried out at least once a month.

In April, Chinese troops had taken up positions and pitched five tents, 19km into Indian territory, in the bottle-neck area of Raki Nala, preventing Indian troops from patrolling more than 750 sq km of disputed area.
 
Really? Then why did they get so spooked over a cam?

:)

Indian patrols to move closer to China border - Hindustan Times

With improvement in infrastructure, India is getting ready to be more assertive along its disputed border with China.

Top government sources have told HT that Indian forces may soon patrol deeper into the disputed territory with China, beyond the limits observed before the recent three-week border standoff in Ladakh.

However, they would still not be carrying out surveillance all the way up to India's perceived border because of a self-imposed restriction that has never been made public.

Classified documents accessed by HT have revealed that India currently restricts its surveillance to a self-imposed 'patrolling limit' ranging from 2km to 20km inside New Delhi's perception of the line of actual control (LAC).

The common belief, based on public statements by the government, was that Indian forces patrol right up to the LAC - the undefined border disputed by both sides.

Indian and Chinese armies restarted patrols in eastern Ladakh after the standoff, but Indian forces do not venture beyond the 'patrolling limit', a top army officer confirmed.

He added that the so-called 'patrolling limit' predated the April 15 Chinese incursion, and it may have been imposed in the 1960s after the India-China war.

"The patrolling limit is being reconsidered in some swathes due to improvement in infrastructure on our side," a top government source said, adding that poor infrastructure had so far been a constraint for Indian forces to be able to patrol right up to New Delhi's perceived LAC.

Indian forces carry out patrols up to points referred to as P10, P11, P11A, P12 and P13 that define the 'patrolling limit' in Daulat Beg Oldie sector.

The secret map identifying the patrol points was recently analysed by the China Study Group, which is India's top policy body on China.

Indian patrol parties from Burtse, 10km southeast from the face-off site, march up to patrol point P10, return to Raki Nala and then take up the second leg of the surveillance to P11 the next day.

The surveillance cycle covering all the points takes up to five days, and is carried out at least once a month.

In April, Chinese troops had taken up positions and pitched five tents, 19km into Indian territory, in the bottle-neck area of Raki Nala, preventing Indian troops from patrolling more than 750 sq km of disputed area.


That's all gravy bro, but look at the last line of your article.

In April, Chinese troops had taken up positions and pitched five tents, 19km into Indian territory, in the bottle-neck area of Raki Nala, preventing Indian troops from patrolling more than 750 sq km of disputed area.

I really don't think China is threatened by India what so ever.

Once US withdraws from Afghanistan, you will witness more and more assertiveness from China.
 
That's all gravy bro, but look at the last line of your article.



I really don't think China is threatened by India what so ever.

Once US withdraws from Afghanistan, you will witness more and more assertiveness from China.

China wouldnt get so worried then when we signed up with the Japanese right? China right now is playing Russian Roulette in world geopolitics.

1. Americans are now more interested in Asia Pacific than they were ever in history. They are DESIGNING and BUILDING ships to counter China's Swarm Navy tactics, as well as deploying them.

2. India's navy secretly has expanded exponentially. We are not just building ships that are bigger and better but deploying them in IOR and sometimes SCS more aggressively.

3. Now that US economy has recovered strongly with reports of 3 - 4 % growth all FII and FDI moving there. As a result BRICS countries like India and China will face less investment. India has expanded hunkeredly into Services and now manufacturing is booming especially in Automobiles, so a blow will hit us less except cause volatility due to speculation which SEBI and RBI is curbing and some reivestment in our priorities.

Contrarily China's manufacturing produces goods for foreign companies upto 83%. This will make shift volatile. A falling PMI (48.3) and recurring liquidity crisis show that.

4. China's golden age of expansion was 2004 - 2012. Now regional powers want symbiotic relation than just power / tech tradeoff.

5. Afghanistan withdrawall will affect all investment not just Indian (2 bn $). China has 3 bn $ there and based on dead chinese engineer reports in your daily, theyre hated to.

On the whole cat ad mouse game will continue, India must husband our strength, rapidly push for infra ( 1 trn $ allocated) and become more self sufficient in defence.
 
Why can't we have some of these monitoring system in our LAC, Automatic detection and shooting no one should be allowed to comeover other than official entry point.

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And do what? Shoot the Chinese!! Are you out of your mind? A few days back, I found this comparison of power between India & China by Zee news. On that comparison your defense minister seemed very afraid of Chinese power and according to the news moderator, China is 3 to 4 times more capable than India..
 
You Indian lot sure are strange fellows. On one news about Indo-China trade you are showing off how good you have it with Chinese. One news about border incursion comes and you can't wait to attack China. Why don't you make up your mind :lol:
 
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