The problem I think is in setting priorities. We all have conscience inbuilt. But if that is dictated by religion alone, IS or Crusading Knights Templars will continue to flourish. Like one should not need a verse to tell them to love human beings and so on. Just because strict punishments are in order does not mean people need to execute the commands blindly and without question.
I can only partially agree with this, i mean, if the conscience is dictated by "wrong interpretation" of religion then we will keep getting such extremist groups. If a verse is telling you to love Humans, what is bad in it? i mean even if you dont need it to tell you this and you say that human should love other humans just for the sake of it not governed by some religions belief, still, the end result is the same, Peace!
so i do not think there is anything wrong if the religion also teaches us to to that way.
Yes, but you are talking about the good ones. The ones IS like to use are different. And they are as valid as any other. Here I say morality should be strong enough to not translate every word into action like a programmed robot. If good verses reinforce what is already good, that's great...but the opposite is what creates the problems.I can only partially agree with this, i mean, if the conscience is dictated by "wrong interpretation" of religion then we will keep getting such extremist groups. If a verse is telling you to love Humans, what is bad in it? i mean even if you dont need it to tell you this and you say that human should love other humans just for the sake of it not governed by some religions belief, still, the end result is the same, Peace!
I mean, one should not need a verse, because we all do not follow the same verses, so that love should be there out of humanity but if a verse tells to you do the same then that is an extra benefit. If out purpose is to bring peace and harmony to the world, it should not matter if people are working for it in the same of religion or liberalism. They will be both be allies if the end goal is same.
Did Prophet Muhammad Warn Us of ISIS?
Posted:07/01/2015 12:12 pm EDTUpdated:07/01/2015 9:59 pm EDT
An honest study of the Quran shows that groups likeISIS act in complete defiance of the injunctions of Islam. The Quran, for instance, equates one murder to elimination of the whole human race (5:32), and considers persecution and disorder on earth as an even worse offense (2:217). It lays emphasis on peace, justice and human rights. It championsfreedom of conscienceand forbids worldly punishment forapostasyandblasphemy.
A study of the traditions of the Prophet Muhammad also demonstrates that he warned us of the rise of religious extremism in this age in astonishing detail.
1400 years ago, he had prophesized that a time would come when nothing would remain of Islam but its name, nothing of the Quran but its word, and that many "Mosques would be splendidly furnished but destitute of guidance" (Mishkatul Masabih). In these latter days, the true spiritual essence of Islam would be lost, and religion, for the most part, would be reduced to a ritualistic compulsion. He foretold that the clergy would be corrupt and be a source of strife during these times.
How true this is of the extremist clerics in parts of the Muslim world that abuse the pulpit to preach division and hate.
He also went on to describe terrorist groups such as ISIS that would try to hijack the Islamic faith. At this time of dissension, he said there would appear "a group of young peoplewho would be immature in thought and foolish." They would speak beautiful words but commit the most heinous of deeds. They would engage in so much prayer and fasting that the worship of the Muslims would appear insignificant in comparison. They would call people to the Quran but would have nothing to do with it in reality. The Quranwould not go beyond their throats, meaning they wouldn't understand its essence at all, merely regurgitating it selectively. The Prophet then went on to describe these people as "the worst of the creation."
As if this outline wasn't clear enough, another tradition in the book Kitaab Al Fitan reported by Caliph Ali, the fourth successor to Prophet Muhammad, describes these people as having long hair and bearing black flags. Their "hearts will be hard as iron," and they would be the companions of a State (Ashab ul Dawla). Interestingly, ISIS refers to itself as the Islamic State or Dawla. The tradition further mentions that they will break their covenants, not speak the truth and have names that mention their cities. The ISIS caliph, Abu Bakr al Baghdadi comes to mind.
Prophet Muhammad furiously and painfully described these evildoers, and admonished Muslims to beware of their evil and fight it. "Whoever fights them is better to Allah than them," he proclaimed.
Reflect on this critical point. Whenever ISIS kills in the name of Islam, claims to follow the Quran, or uses the Holy month of Ramadan to spread anarchy across the globe, know that Prophet Muhammad explicitly warned us of these imposters, and entrusted us to root them out.
The only people who refuse to reflect on this point are ISIS, ISIS sympathizers, and anti-Islam extremists who want the world to believe that ISIS is legitimate. Intelligent people, meanwhile, see Prophet Muhammad's prophetic wisdom and thus remain united against both ignorance and extremism.
Perhaps they do so because of some miss guided teachings, that are what i called "wrong interpretation". Either you can say there is no religion, at which i wont be able to debate with you any further because if you do not think a thing exists what and how can one example that to you or anyone, Or, we cannot deny that it will be and always have been wrongly interpreted, by confusion or on purpose by selective group. To me, that always have been and will be the problem.
Did Prophet Muhammad Warn Us of ISIS?
Posted:07/01/2015 12:12 pm EDTUpdated:07/01/2015 9:59 pm EDT
An honest study of the Quran shows that groups likeISIS act in complete defiance of the injunctions of Islam. The Quran, for instance, equates one murder to elimination of the whole human race (5:32), and considers persecution and disorder on earth as an even worse offense (2:217). It lays emphasis on peace, justice and human rights. It championsfreedom of conscienceand forbids worldly punishment forapostasyandblasphemy.
A study of the traditions of the Prophet Muhammad also demonstrates that he warned us of the rise of religious extremism in this age in astonishing detail.
1400 years ago, he had prophesized that a time would come when nothing would remain of Islam but its name, nothing of the Quran but its word, and that many "Mosques would be splendidly furnished but destitute of guidance" (Mishkatul Masabih). In these latter days, the true spiritual essence of Islam would be lost, and religion, for the most part, would be reduced to a ritualistic compulsion. He foretold that the clergy would be corrupt and be a source of strife during these times.
How true this is of the extremist clerics in parts of the Muslim world that abuse the pulpit to preach division and hate.
He also went on to describe terrorist groups such as ISIS that would try to hijack the Islamic faith. At this time of dissension, he said there would appear "a group of young peoplewho would be immature in thought and foolish." They would speak beautiful words but commit the most heinous of deeds. They would engage in so much prayer and fasting that the worship of the Muslims would appear insignificant in comparison. They would call people to the Quran but would have nothing to do with it in reality. The Quranwould not go beyond their throats, meaning they wouldn't understand its essence at all, merely regurgitating it selectively. The Prophet then went on to describe these people as "the worst of the creation."
As if this outline wasn't clear enough, another tradition in the book Kitaab Al Fitan reported by Caliph Ali, the fourth successor to Prophet Muhammad, describes these people as having long hair and bearing black flags. Their "hearts will be hard as iron," and they would be the companions of a State (Ashab ul Dawla). Interestingly, ISIS refers to itself as the Islamic State or Dawla. The tradition further mentions that they will break their covenants, not speak the truth and have names that mention their cities. The ISIS caliph, Abu Bakr al Baghdadi comes to mind.
Prophet Muhammad furiously and painfully described these evildoers, and admonished Muslims to beware of their evil and fight it. "Whoever fights them is better to Allah than them," he proclaimed.
Reflect on this critical point. Whenever ISIS kills in the name of Islam, claims to follow the Quran, or uses the Holy month of Ramadan to spread anarchy across the globe, know that Prophet Muhammad explicitly warned us of these imposters, and entrusted us to root them out.
The only people who refuse to reflect on this point are ISIS, ISIS sympathizers, and anti-Islam extremists who want the world to believe that ISIS is legitimate. Intelligent people, meanwhile, see Prophet Muhammad's prophetic wisdom and thus remain united against both ignorance and extremism.
Perhaps they do so because of some miss guided teachings, that are what i called "wrong interpretation". Either you can say there is no religion, at which i wont be able to debate with you any further because if you do not think a thing exists what and how can one example that to you or anyone, Or, we cannot deny that it will be and always have been wrongly interpreted, by confusion or on purpose by selective group. To me, that always have been and will be the problem.
I did not project him as a fortune teller.
That is where i disagree after agreeing to the first part, to me there is nothing otherwise than a good verses, in fact, to me these are just verses, that is something beyond the categorization of good and bad, that is my belief and my religion. Lets be open about it, you being a Hindu are trying to speak of it in bit reserved terms fearing that any harsh post may start a troll war and derail the topic, i really appreciate that, appreciate you considering the sensitive nature of the topic and avoiding it making sure no body gets hurt. However i will be a bit more open about it, as far as i have judged, you were referring about verses about Jihad. Now brother it is not these verses that are the problem, the problem is the teacher who translated and explained these to these men FAILED to communicated the true nature of jihad, when it is applicable, what are the condition in which one must go out for Jihad, once he does, what are the rules, what are the things to do and not to do, there are STRICT set of rules, the religion explains it in very detail. The groups we see today claiming to be doing Jihad are bunch of nut jobs misguided by wrong interpretations, either on purpose or by confusion and don't know the verse basics of Jihad. What they are doing is not Jihad or if in some cases it is they still are usually not doing it how it is meant to be done.
Thanks for taking the pain to explain it to somebody as dilettante as me.
