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Did Bangladesh become the country Jinnah wanted to Create?

I'm a PTI supporter but dude, no one comes to close the Father....no one !

Not even salahudin ayubi? Not even tariq bin ziad? Not even mohammad bin Qasim?
If i have to compare jinnah and imran:
1- Jinnah was more sharp , smart and clever...imran khan is simple-minded
2- jinnah was not a playboy
3- Imran khan is not a chain smoker like jinnah.
4- Imran khan is not angrazified like jinnah.
5- Imran khan can speak urdu, can communicate with common people, jinnah couldnt.
6- Imran seem genuinely influenced by
islam, jinnah was seculer non-practicing muslim.
7- Imran khan is more democratic than jinnah, jinnah was first civilian dictator of pakistan.

I do recognize jinnah as great man as he created a nation, a country. But he is not be worshipped. He is not my role model.
 
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Very interesting read... Jinnah was an ardent support of equal rights and freedoms for all people. He did everything in his power to ensure Pakistan did not become a theological state ruled by mullahs... he even said so in one of his speeches. Unfortunately after his death there were severe problems and issues and the mullahs took over the reins of power-a gradual slow radicalization has been taking place as time progresses and no one is willing to court the ire of the mullah by challenging it.

Pakistan is a great nation and could be greater if we had supported secular concepts ardently. Quaid e azam wished us to remain secular... if not he wouldn't have called Zafarullah Khan his son (an ahmedi) and Jogindar Nath Mandal and Cornelius wouldn't have held such major posts in the government of Pakistan.
 
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Not even salahudin ayubi? Not even tariq bin ziad? Not even mohammad bin Qasim?
If i have to compare jinnah and imran:
1- Jinnah was more sharp , smart and clever...imran khan is simple-minded
2- jinnah was not a playboy
3- Imran khan is not a chain smoker like jinnah.
4- Imran khan is not angrazified like jinnah.
5- Imran khan can speak urdu, can communicate with common people, jinnah couldnt.
6- Imran seem genuinely influenced by
islam, jinnah was seculer non-practicing muslim.
7- Imran khan is more democratic than jinnah, jinnah was first civilian dictator of pakistan.

I do recognize jinnah as great man as he created a nation, a country. But he is not be worshipped. He is not my role model.

Jinah was not much secular at the end but yes Imran Khan is more influence with Islam than Jinah but Jinah was not secular at the end secular quote only one speech of his his many others speeches tell us that Jinah was not secular
 
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the validity of my perception about Mr. Jinnah is countering serious doubts after this article.
Why???
If Jinnah was an opportunist or any other politician trying to get as much power for himself than he would have accepted Ghandi's offer for the Prime Ministership of Whole of sub continent. But he did not. Also a person that knows he may not live long but still continued on with his struggle for his people surely cann't be termed as an opportunist.
 
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the validity of my perception about Mr. Jinnah is countering serious doubts after this article.
Why???
If Jinnah was an opportunist or any other politician trying to get as much power for himself than he would have accepted Ghandi's offer for the Prime Ministership of Whole of sub continent. But he did not. Also a person that knows he may not live long but still continued on with his struggle for his people surely cann't be termed as an opportunist.
 
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WTH? who said Quaid E Azam was secular? he wanted Pakistan as an Islamic country, Pakistan was created in the name of Islam and he wanted equal rights for minorities that does not make him secular, he said that Pakistan's law was the Quran. and all Mullahs are not bad define them as extremists, and btw my knowledge base is very low don't make fun of me, After Hazrat Muhammad (S.A.W) and his Companions (R.A) Quaid E Azam is my role model

and i forgot to add, that i dont think that Bangaldesh should be based on Jinnah's vision he is not the founder of Bangladesh, Mr Mujeeb Ur Rehman is, anyway its up to the Bangladeshis to decide whose vision they want to follow.
 
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There are too many Indians who show this feeble Dhimmi thinking.

Here is a Pakistani who is not afraid of speaking plainly -

Jinnah’s Pakistan

By Yaqoob Khan BangashPublished: March 18, 2013

Over the past few days, I have regularly heard the refrain “This is not Jinnah’s Pakistan”. Even the people protesting the events at Badami Bagh, Lahore, carried banners yearning for “Jinnah’s Pakistan”. A few months ago, the MQM was also aiming to hold a referendum, asking people if they wanted the “Taliban’s Pakistan”, or “Jinnah’s Pakistan”. Often, people with a liberal bent in Pakistan quote Jinnah’s August 11, 1947 speech and want Pakistan to be modelled on the vision presented in it. But let me tell you the bitter truth: this is Jinnah’s Pakistan!

Why? First, simply because except for the lone August 11 speech, there is nothing much in Jinnah’s utterances, which points towards a secular or even mildly religious state. The August 11, 1947 speech was a rare, only once presented, vision. No wonder then that the Government of Pakistan, through secretary general Chaudhry Mohammad Ali, initially censored the rather liberal parts of the speech. Certainly, this change of mind on Jinnah’s part was a shock for many in the Muslim League, especially since here was a person who, not so long ago, had promised Islamic rule! In his address to the Muslims of India on Eid in 1945, for example, Jinnah had noted: “Islam is not merely confined to the spiritual tenets and doctrines or rituals and ceremonies. It is a complete code regulating the whole Muslim society, every department of life, collective[ly] and individually”. Many such speeches can be quoted, which clearly indicated that Jinnah had promised a country based on Islamic principles — rather than secular ones — to the people. No surprise then that Sardar Abdur Rab Nishtar pointed out in the debate over the Objectives Resolution in March 1949 that while Jinnah had made some promises to the minorities, he had also made some promises to the majority, and the introduction of an Islamic state was one of them. The debate over an Islamic system still continues.

Secondly, Jinnah was quite clear that the Muslims of India were one compact community and that their sole representative was the Muslim League. Therefore, any dissension from the Muslim League mantle meant that non-Muslim League Muslims could not even call themselves Muslims, at least politically. The best example of this closed door policy was when Jinnah insisted that the Congress could not include a Muslim member in its list of ministers (even though Maulana Azad was its president) since only the Muslim League had the right to nominate Muslims to the interim government in 1946. Thus, one of the great Muslim scholars of the 20th century, Maulana Abul Kalam Azad, (and others) were prevented from joining the government. With such a control over who is a “real” Muslim (though primarily political at this juncture), it was not inconceivable that such notions would continue after independence and soon permeate the religious realm — and this is exactly what has happened.

Thirdly, Jinnah himself gave the example of undemocratic government. Not only did Jinnah preside over cabinet meetings (remember Pervez Musharraf?), one of his first acts after independence was to dismiss the popularly-elected government of Dr Khan Sahib in the then-NWFP on August 22, 1947. While it was a foregone conclusion that a League ministry would soon take over in the province, the manner in which the dismissal was done created precedence. Jinnah did not wait for the assembly itself to bring a motion of no confidence against the premier and nor did he call for new elections, both of which would have been clearly democratic and would have certainly brought in a Muslim League government. Instead, he simply got the Congress ministry dismissed and a Muslim League ministry installed — this procedural change was very significant at this early stage and set an example. Jinnah was also, extraordinarily, a minister in his own government, setting a clear precedence for future heads of state (followed by Ayub Khan, Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, Ziaul Haq and Musharraf) to be very comfortable being heads of state and ministers at the same time.

Therefore, Jinnah’s Pakistan is an Islamic state, which defines who a Muslim is, excludes those Muslims it does not like and is not very democratic. Imagining it in any other way is living in a dreamland and refusing to accept the reality. However, this does not mean that Pakistan is unworkable. Pakistan might be saddled with issues of the past, but surely we can accept and solve them, if we want.

Published in The Express Tribune, March 19th, 2013.
I know am commenting on an old thread, but whoever wrote this is a brave person, coz he/she basically exposed most revered politician of his own country.
This should have been posted on a separate thread.
 
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