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Deutsche Bank: We can already see how London's insane property bubble will end


  • Oct. 22, 2015, 11:26 AM
  • London's runaway housing market in a blisteringly pessimistic note sent to clients on Thursday.

    In the bank's sixth "Konzepts" paper, Sahil Mahtani argues that a combination of rising interest rates, the Bank of England's tinkering with the market, and the increasing "politicisation of the housing issue" means London's insane price rises can't continue — and price falls could be likely.

    What's more, Mahtani argues there are "multiple catalysts to suggest that 2015 is the turning point" and concludes ominously: "London’s property is unlikely to enjoy the next thirty years as it did the last."

    The rise
    Mahtani begins by illustrating just how spectacular the rally in London property prices has been over the last few years, with some stunning facts:
    • Every £1 invested in London property in 1990 is now worth £5, double the performance of the FTSE 100.
    • In the last sixty years, London house prices have only fallen 3 times: during the Volcker recession of the early-1980s; the sterling crisis of 1992; and the 2009 financial crash.
    • Conservative estimates put average London house prices at 13 times average gross incomes.
    • London residential mortgage debt amounts to a quarter of the country’s total.
    London's housing market is huge, expensive, and hot. It's not hard to find stories of property insanity in the capital and popular opinion holds that its a flood of foreign investors buying up homes and leaving them empty to accumulate value that has sparked the boom.

    Mahtani says it's simple supply and demand — the supply of homes has failed to keep pace with demand from buyers, be they foreign or otherwise.

    But crucially Mahtani sees a second, overlooked factor for spiraling prices — buyers believe house prices will keep going up. People are willing to pay silly prices on the expectation prices will keep rising and they can cash in themselves later. That in turn bids up prices.

    The fall
    But the second cause is a worryingly self-fulfilling practice that isn't sustainable. What's more, Mahtani thinks economists are underestimating just how much perception effects prices.

    He points to the Hong Kong property crash of 1997, when prices dropped 40% in just over a year, as evidence for what happens when the wind changes direction on public opinion.

    Here's Mahtani:

    A shift in expectations about future supply was much more instrumental in bringing about the downturn. The post-handover government had made it known that it would welcome a decline in property prices and would increase supply by 85,000 units a year. In retrospect, at no point during the next five years did housing completions reach 35,000 annually. Yet because the decision had credibility, it changed expectations and the 85,000 figure is still cited today as a reason for the market decline. The government announcement precipitated a change in psychology that diminished the speculative increment in the market.

    It didn't matter that supply increased nowhere near as much as promised — the "psychology" had changed and that was enough to send buyers running.

    Interest rates are bound to rise soon in the UK which will take out a lot of the momentum in the property sector. But Mahtani believes something similar to Hong Kong could also happen in the UK, caused by state and Bank of England intervention.

    Mahtani says the Bank of England is beginning to see housing "more like a utility and less like a financial asset," because Governor Mark Carney sees mortgage lending as a key component of bank stability and the wider financial system.

    That makes it more likely the Bank will put in place more measures to rein in certain lending and buying practices. This will likely have an outsized impact on London because of its huge weighting in UK property debt. Here's Mahtani:

    The most advanced practitioners of macroprudential policy are Hong Kong and Singapore where loan-to-values for buy-to-let properties are capped at 50 per cent, foreign purchases of property are hit with 15 per cent stamp duty and second and third home buyers face differentiated, punitive treatment. In this approach, housing becomes more like a utility and less like a financial asset. The Bank of England appears to be moving in this direction.

    Secondly, and perhaps most importantly, housing is growing issue for both the left and the right. Only 40% of today’s 25- to 34-year-olds own homes, compared with two-thirds in 1991, and Mahtani says both parties are trying to address this in a bid to win over the next generation of voters.

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    flickr: muddyclayThe redevelopment of Battersea Power Station is one of the most high-profile residential developments in London.

    The Conservatives have already moved to increase stamp duty at the top of the market and cut tax benefits for buy-to-let landlords, which has taken some of the air out of the top of the market. This could be just the start.

    Mahtani argues that the more house prices rise out of step with earnings, the more it will "sow the seeds of its own correction" by increasing resentment and discontent amongst would-be home owners.

    He says: "The fate of house prices may well be decided in the political face-off between younger voters and the elderly harnessing their political power to prevent price declines to their house-cum-pensions."

    Ultimately, Mahtani says, we may have reached a point where "policy intervention will favour stabilising or reducing prices."

    The aftermath
    If you're a would-be buyer, all this is great news. But for people who have recently bought it's another story.

    As in Hong Kong, Mahtani thinks that even if policy intervention is only meant to put a lid on things, it could end up sending prices into reverse.

    He says: "Again, all that needs to happen is for investors to think price outcomes are asymmetric, with low upside and large downside." In this way a self-fulfilling cycle in the opposite price direction could emerge.

    Homeowners would then find themselves in negative equity, freezing much of the market as people sit on their property until the price gets above water again.

    Another issue is interest-only mortgages. Mahtani writes: "Over a third of those with mortgages have interest-only loans, with the first sizeable wave of principal repayments due in 2017-2018." That could lead to a wave of repossessed homes, again driving prices down.

    Mahtani says that ultimately it's "a losing battle to call an end to the froth in this market. But perhaps we are close to the turning point."

    In short, either prepare for more afforadability or brace for impact because London's property market is heading for a big shake-up, according to Deutsche Bank.
 
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Me: I can already see how the insane bubble called London will end
 
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Probably the first time I agree with something Senheiser posted.
 
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It's better the housing prices crashed. The oligarchy powered real estate boom was never sustainable and prices were rising needlessly across the countryside.
Places like chester, I know first hand how prices have skyrocketed with no observed difference in the demand.

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It's better the housing prices crashed. The oligarchy powered real estate boom was never sustainable and prices were rising needlessly across the countryside.
Places like chester, I know first hand how prices have skyrocketed with no observed difference in the demand.

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yes it's a bubble and all buble's pop. so will this. but it wont be us [london] it will be like 2008 all over again.
if we are going down the who thing is going down too. but it wont happen for about a year or 2. but it wont be the houseing market the stock exchanges will take a nose dive. apparently we did a stress test of our banks and they all passed lloyds only just passed. the banks that failed italian, spanish, and i think iw was french bank too. i hve my money in hsbc, one of the strongest banks in the world. during 2008 it did not even take a big hit.

tbh i cant wait for it to happen i want some houses down south. up here house pricesare about £200,000 on the mid/high end. but if you know the right people its about £50,000 for a ok 2 bed terraced ex council house in need of a bit of tlc.
 
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yes it's a bubble and all buble's pop. so will this. but it wont be us [london] it will be like 2008 all over again.
if we are going down the who thing is going down too. but it wont happen for about a year or 2. but it wont be the houseing market the stock exchanges will take a nose dive. apparently we did a stress test of our banks and they all passed lloyds only just passed. the banks that failed italian, spanish, and i think iw was french bank too. i hve my money in hsbc, one of the strongest banks in the world. during 2008 it did not even take a big hit.

tbh i cant wait for it to happen i want some houses down south. up here house pricesare about £200,000 on the mid/high end. but if you know the right people its about £50,000 for a ok 2 bed terraced ex council house in need of a bit of tlc.
The answer is always that the best time to buy property is NOW and the worst time is LATER.:bounce: Don't try to second-guess the market. Take a long-term view on property prices and know that this will mean they always go up, even if there are dips along the way. Take any 10 year period since the end of WWII and project forward 10 years and, even in the whole of the UK, you will find the prices are higher. London increases even more quickly. Of course, it does rather depend on your purpose for buying. If it's for your own home, you may be less concerned about price increases or rental demand, but if you (a) are buying for investment or (b) think that you might rent the property at some point if you go travelling or live elsewhere, you will need a different focus. In this case, buying is the easy part, it's the research you must do BEFORE you buy that will determine whether your strategy is successful. I am saying tnis as somebody who has already bought and sold 3 houses in London, and i still own another one.Yes i'm a property investor as well, there is alot of money to make in this industry believe me, as far as you know what you are doing and you do your research/study the market properly.:enjoy:

To summarise, something i always advice my friends/colleagues about is that:
  • Don't compete for properties that buy to let landlords target
  • Don't try to buy properties popular with overseas investors
  • Fix your mortgage
  • A nice medium sized house in the commuter belt is probably a pretty secure investment (as well as a home!)
  • If you have the luxury of not paying rent then try relax, forget about property, and take a few more holidays this year:dance3:
Follow this and you are sure to make some easy/good cash in this industry.:dirol:

Sorry for the late replies guys, but i have not been getting some notifications when someone tags or even quotes me for some strange reason. lol
 
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The answer is always that the best time to buy property is NOW and the worst time is LATER.:bounce: Don't try to second-guess the market. Take a long-term view on property prices and know that this will mean they always go up, even if there are dips along the way. Take any 10 year period since the end of WWII and project forward 10 years and, even in the whole of the UK, you will find the prices are higher. London increases even more quickly. Of course, it does rather depend on your purpose for buying. If it's for your own home, you may be less concerned about price increases or rental demand, but if you (a) are buying for investment or (b) think that you might rent the property at some point if you go travelling or live elsewhere, you will need a different focus. In this case, buying is the easy part, it's the research you must do BEFORE you buy that will determine whether your strategy is successful. I am saying tnis as somebody who has already bought and sold 3 houses in London, and i still own another one.Yes i'm a property investor as well, there is alot of money to make in this industry believe me, as far as you know what you are doing and you do your research/study the market properly.:enjoy:

To summarise, something i always advice my friends/colleagues about is that:
  • Don't compete for properties that buy to let landlords target
  • Don't try to buy properties popular with overseas investors
  • Fix your mortgage
  • A nice medium sized house in the commuter belt is probably a pretty secure investment (as well as a home!)
  • If you have the luxury of not paying rent then try relax, forget about property, and take a few more holidays this year:dance3:
Follow this and you are sure to make some easy/good cash in this industry.:dirol:

Sorry for the late replies guys, but i have not been getting some notifications when someone tags or even quotes me for some strange reason. lol
im waiting for it to go pear shaped then i make my move, but for me i shall continue buying houses for a fraction of what you can get a house for in london. pay about £88k-124k. in theory i dont need to work anymore as that keeps me going but meh, im greedy so i invest too and work for the sake of keeping me busy. iag went up as expected, im a happy boy, i will get my mum somthing nice for mothers day. thats the first thing i purchased after centrica and another energy firm which i forgot its name. whats oil at right now? if its at $25-6,them im buying
 
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im waiting for it to go pear shaped then i make my move, but for me i shall continue buying houses for a fraction of what you can get a house for in london. pay about £88k-124k. in theory i dont need to work anymore as that keeps me going but meh, im greedy so i invest too and work for the sake of keeping me busy. iag went up as expected, im a happy boy, i will get my mum somthing nice for mothers day. thats the first thing i purchased after centrica and another energy firm which i forgot its name. whats oil at right now? if its at $25-6,them im buying

Yes, if you can get one at a very competitive price, then good for you. Even though it depends on the reasons you are buying a property/house for.

Contrary to the article our Russian friend @senheiser posted, London's property market wônt be collapsing anytime soon, prices may fall at one point (they always do anyway, i see call this stabilizing to their normal rates which is good for the public and country as a whole), but the market wont collapse no single chance that will ever happen.
In fact,there are already articles out that properties favoured by foreigners over £2m in price edged down recently. Its easy to see why, with higher stamp duty, sanctions in Russia, lower oil prices (Arabs) and a clampdown on corruption in China(call it the Xi Jinping effect. :( lol ). 8-) However mostly this doesn't matter to you or me(thats me assuming you are not a multi millionaire.lol ), I mean, we're talking about properties over £2m.:cheesy:

Now there is another risk that is a "known unknown". There is a decent number of flashy apartment blocks getting thrown up around London.:big_boss: 41,000 new homes >£1m according to the Independent. Mostly they'll be apartments, and the local culture is everyone wants to live in a house. Many of these apartments have ended up in the hands of investors. Over half was the most recent figure. Frankly I suspect this is a section of the market that will struggle to be supported by locals when the foreigners provide no more incremental capital.
However I doubt it'll be enough to knock over the whole London property market as i said before. People still want houses over flats, everyone wants a garden and everyone wants to live in Islington over Newham.:D
The history of the UK property market is incessant trading up. And part and parcel of that is that expensive nice areas hold up better than cheaper sketchy areas.:fie:
If you are in the market for a small flat, here are a couple of tricks for you to ponder. Try to buy a spacious one bed flat in a terrace conversion. Convert it into a two bed flat with a combined kitchen diner. Rent out the spare room, et Voila you got a very good investment there with lots of cash flowing in. :dirol: And live happily ever after, you could even buy your mum something VERY VERY VERY NICE,instead of just nice.:thank_you2:
 
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Yes, if you can get one at a very competitive price, then good for you. Even though it depends on the reasons you are buying a property/house for.

Contrary to the article our Russian friend @senheiser posted, London's property market wônt be collapsing anytime soon, prices may fall at one point (they always do anyway, i see call this stabilizing to their normal rates which is good for the public and country as a whole), but the market wont collapse no single chance that will ever happen.
In fact,there are already articles out that properties favoured by foreigners over £2m in price edged down recently. Its easy to see why, with higher stamp duty, sanctions in Russia, lower oil prices (Arabs) and a clampdown on corruption in China(call it the Xi Jinping effect. :( lol ). 8-) However mostly this doesn't matter to you or me(thats me assuming you are not a multi millionaire.lol ), I mean, we're talking about properties over £2m.:cheesy:

Now there is another risk that is a "known unknown". There is a decent number of flashy apartment blocks getting thrown up around London.:big_boss: 41,000 new homes >£1m according to the Independent. Mostly they'll be apartments, and the local culture is everyone wants to live in a house. Many of these apartments have ended up in the hands of investors. Over half was the most recent figure. Frankly I suspect this is a section of the market that will struggle to be supported by locals when the foreigners provide no more incremental capital.
However I doubt it'll be enough to knock over the whole London property market as i said before. People still want houses over flats, everyone wants a garden and everyone wants to live in Islington over Newham.:D
The history of the UK property market is incessant trading up. And part and parcel of that is that expensive nice areas hold up better than cheaper sketchy areas.:fie:
If you are in the market for a small flat, here are a couple of tricks for you to ponder. Try to buy a spacious one bed flat in a terrace conversion. Convert it into a two bed flat with a combined kitchen diner. Rent out the spare room, et Voila you got a very good investment there with lots of cash flowing in. :dirol: And live happily ever after, you could even buy your mum something VERY VERY VERY NICE,instead of just nice.:thank_you2:
to risky for me. once im setteled i will go for for houses north of 350k-550k but thats mainly in manchester.
the most expensive hous in a 1 mile radius is my house :D mind you im not too keen on large cities to hecktic.
 
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to risky for me. once im setteled i will go for for houses north of 350k-550k but thats mainly in manchester.
the most expensive hous in a 1 mile radius is my house :D mind you im not too keen on large cities to hecktic.
i remember my childhood days in Chester. It ain't far from Manchester. Loved Port Sunlight though :)
 
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i remember my childhood days in Chester. It ain't far from Manchester. Loved Port Sunlight though :)
i live about 30 miles north of manchester in between preston and lancaster it always windy and raining. so hows life across the pond?
 
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i live about 30 miles north of manchester in between preston and lancaster it always windy and raining. so hows life across the pond?

Haha. Life's a tough nut bro. Jut too frantic. I am planning a trip to Greece after my graduation though :D
 
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