Details of Turkey-Iran military operations in Iraq revealed

[Deliorman]

Modern day Turkish people have a very diverse origins ranging from Albania (i.e.Mehmet Akif Ersoy), Bosnian, Bulgarian, Greek (Barbaros Hayretting Pasa), Croatian (Kuyucu Murat Pasa), - Pretty much most Eastern European, Tatar Turks, Chechen (Cerkez), Dagistani, Georgian (Gurcu), Pontic Greek (Laz's), Kurdish, Arabic and Azeri Turkish, Afghan (Mevlana Celaleddin Rumi)... Let's not forget the population exchange agreement with Greece and Turkey, allot of ethnic Greek Muslims made Anatolia their home.

Because Ottoman empire was the center point of Islam, carrying the Caliphate flag for 400 years, it has drawn allot of people into Anatolia from different ethnic origins. When Ottoman Empire was dissolved, and the caliphate abolished, allot of Muslim people in Anatolia (modern day Turkey) from varying ethnic origins automatically became Turkish and Turkish nationalism was emphasised on these people.

For example Deliorman, your grandfathers were a staunch Muslim within the Ottoman empire, your ethnic origins might be questioned but you became a Turk with the current Turkish system in place.

The difference is that the Pontic Greeks were all there in the Eastern Black sea region less than a 100 years ago. Some of them (The Muslim ones and those who converted to Islam) are still there nowadays. During the population exchange between Greece and Turkey after the war of 1919-1923 people were resettled based on their religion, not on their etchnicity. That's how many Muslim Greeks together with the Turks and the Pomaks living in today's Greece ended in Turkey and how Many Christian Greeks, Levantines, Georgians and Christian Turks ended in Greece.

Bulgarian Turks on the other hand are descendents of the Turks who settled on the Balkans after the Ottoman Empire conquered it. Many Karaman Turks settled here after the Ottomans conquered their Beylik in the 15th century. After Selim I won against the Safavids many Kizilbash Turks were also resettled on the Balkans. Yoruk Turks and Tatars made the Deliorman and Dobrogea region also their home- especially after the Crimean khanate was conquered by the Russians in the 18th century. Even before that many Turkic tribes have lived in the lands of today's Bulgaria- Oguz Turks, Pechenegs, Cumans all settled here during the First and the Second Bulgarian Kingdom... even the Bulgars who created the first Bulgarian state in 681 AD were a Turkic tribe but eventually mixed with the more numerous Thracian and Slavic tribes.

I am not a Turk because my grandparents were Muslim during the Ottoman times... I am Turk because those are my roots, because my grandparents and their great great grandparents were Turkish and those before them were Turks too. Bulgarian Turks are just Turks and not some Muslim people who became Turkish because their citizenship says so. We are a leftover of the Ottoman Empire, like the Turkmens in Syria and Iraq, like the other Turkish people in Macedonia, Greece, Kosovo, Georgia, Cyprus. But how can you know that when you prefer to listen to historical titans like Kadir Misiroglu, the same guy who said Ataturk was Jewish too and that Shakespeare was actually a muslim named Sheih Pir.

 

[ashok321]

Second Predator drone crashes in Turkey in four days

Erdogan says Turkey and Iran discussing joint action against Kurdish militants

 

[Serpentine]

The news itself sounds more like a comedy, but cooperation between Iran and Turkey in a new level is real, especially after a very rare visit by armed forces chief of staff to Turkey. These kinds of visits usually have a special and important purpose. With Kurdistan's independence vote looming, Iran and Turkey have decided to prevent themselves for all scenarios apparently.

 

[xenon54 out]

The news itself sounds more like a comedy, but cooperation between Iran and Turkey in a new level is real, especially after a very rare visit by armed forces chief of staff to Turkey. These kinds of visits usually have a special and important purpose. With Kurdistan's independence vote looming, Iran and Turkey have decided to prevent themselves for all scenarios apparently.

This was the first Iranian general to visit Turkey since the revolution right?

 

[Stryker1982]

40k troops sounds more like an invasion and occupation rather than just a operation to clear them from the Qandil mountains, which would only require a few thousand with air support. I doubt this is true but 40k would be absolute annihilation for good.

This was the first Iranian general to visit Turkey since the revolution right?

First visit by Chief of Staff of the Armed forces which means he is the boss man of both the IRGC and the Regular Army (Artesh).

 

[Serpentine]

This was the first Iranian general to visit Turkey since the revolution right?

Yes if I'm not mistaken, at least a first for armed forces chief of staff.

 

[Dinky]

how credible is that news source op?

 

[Otonom Piyade]

The difference is that the Pontic Greeks were all there in the Eastern Black sea region less than a 100 years ago. Some of them (The Muslim ones and those who converted to Islam) are still there nowadays. During the population exchange between Greece and Turkey after the war of 1919-1923 people were resettled based on their religion, not on their etchnicity. That's how many Muslim Greeks together with the Turks and the Pomaks living in today's Greece ended in Turkey and how Many Christian Greeks, Levantines, Georgians and Christian Turks ended in Greece.

Bulgarian Turks on the other hand are descendents of the Turks who settled on the Balkans after the Ottoman Empire conquered it. Many Karaman Turks settled here after the Ottomans conquered their Beylik in the 15th century. After Selim I won against the Safavids many Kizilbash Turks were also resettled on the Balkans. Yoruk Turks and Tatars made the Deliorman and Dobrogea region also their home- especially after the Crimean khanate was conquered by the Russians in the 18th century. Even before that many Turkic tribes have lived in the lands of today's Bulgaria- Oguz Turks, Pechenegs, Cumans all settled here during the First and the Second Bulgarian Kingdom... even the Bulgars who created the first Bulgarian state in 681 AD were a Turkic tribe but eventually mixed with the more numerous Thracian and Slavic tribes.

I am not a Turk because my grandparents were Muslim during the Ottoman times... I am Turk because those are my roots, because my grandparents and their great great grandparents were Turkish and those before them were Turks too. Bulgarian Turks are just Turks and not some Muslim people who became Turkish because their citizenship says so. We are a leftover of the Ottoman Empire, like the Turkmens in Syria and Iraq, like the other Turkish people in Macedonia, Greece, Kosovo, Georgia, Cyprus. But how can you know that when you prefer to listen to historical titans like Kadir Misiroglu, the same guy who said Ataturk was Jewish too and that Shakespeare was actually a muslim named Sheih Pir.

When Sultan Alparslan entered Anatolia through Malazgirt battle in 1071, there were less than 1 million Turkmen's in the region as a whole. What Turkmen's succeeded was managing to spread/dawa Islam through to the Anatolian masses at the time to the Rum and Ermeni majority populace... I'd say most of the current Turks have mix blood in them, only a small portion have a Turkmen blood in them.

Is it any wonder Turkish Turks look different to central asian Turks? We have the blonde, brunette, hazel/blue eyes within our people...

Anyhow, check this video out. Tuyler diken diken... Turks are returning to their origins.. to the ideals that made them so great.

 

[SouI]

When Sultan Alparslan entered Anatolia through Malazgirt battle in 1071, there were less than 1 million Turkmen's in the region as a whole. What Turkmen's succeeded was managing to spread/dawa Islam through to the Anatolian masses at the time to the Rum and Ermeni majority populace... I'd say most of the current Turks have mix blood in them, only a small portion have a Turkmen blood in them.

Is it any wonder Turkish Turks look different to central asian Turks? We have the blonde, brunette, hazel/blue eyes within our people...

Anyhow, check this video out. Tuyler diken diken... Turks are returning to their origins.. to the ideals that made them so great.

İslam ülkemizi bok çukuruna yollayacak, ülkemizi bölecek. Yeni neslin islamla yakından uzaktan alakası yok.

Halkla genetikleriyle ilgili sözlerine katılıyorum, ama çözüm yinede milliyetçilik. Ümmetçilik yaparak milliyetçilikle uğraşarak ülkeyi ateşin içine atıyorsunuz farkında değilsiniz. Çok güzel bir söz var:

Dont fix something that is not broken.

 

[Cthulhu]

Turkey and Iran are planning to conduct a joint military operation against the PKK in the north of Iraq in stages, Trend reported citing Turkish media on August 22.

Reportedly, firstly the Turkish Air Force will bomb 19 positions of the PKK in the areas of Zap, Berwari, Batuf, Chemch and Avashin.

The military operation will be carried on the territory of Iraq, 19 km from the Turkish border. The first stage of the operation is expected to last 8-10 days.

During the second stage of the operation, the Iranian Armed Forces will begin ground operations in the Qandil Mountains in northern Iraq.

Roughly 42.000 Iranian soldiers will take part in the land operations, while the land troops will be supported by the Turkish military aircrafts.

Turkish media reports that Ankara and Tehran also intend to establish a joint military base in the north of Iraq.

https://www.azernews.az/region/117955.html

Military officials denied this:
http://www.isna.ir/news/96053119950/عملیات-مشترک-ایران-و-ترکیه-علیه-پ-ک-ک-تکذیب-شد

 

[Targon]

-Would be just for the show

-Not gonna solve anything.

Only way giving a decisive deal to PKK is by making Barzani go nuts and openly fight againts other Kurds by sharing intelligence, arresting people, openly attacking their dens in cities and towns.