Destroy all churches in Gulf region: Grand Saudi Mufti

[syedali73]

Blasphemous...:
I know as a Muslim you will not believe it, But as a rational human being you must acknowledge the historical fact.

Mecca was a temple of Dharmic ppl, It had more than 300 Idols. The Dharmic ppl from far-far come to worship in this temple...

Muhammad attacked and destroy and capture this worship place..I am not judging Muhammad act as right or wrong. I am just stating one fact..

"the Greek historian Diodorus has remarked, between the Thamudites and the Sabeans, a famous temple, whose superior sanctity was revered by all the Arabians; the linen of silken veil, which is annually renewed by the Turkish emperor, was first offered by the Homerites, who reigned seven hundred years before the time of Mohammad."

Your facts are wrong. The Kaaba (its not Mecca, which was a town) was erected by Abraham, the father of the three Abrahamic religions, and Abraham was not Dharmic or idol worshiper. So in essence, Mohammed (PBUH) reclaimed Kaaba and nothing more.

 

[third eye]

Religion is a must. Do you want an atheist society?

No I dont

But I also do not want an overdose of something that is a ' must'.

 

[Mugwop]

These senile old men are no different to VHP or the KKK.

Actually vhp,rss wants to extend their hegemony outside of india,On this very forum I have seen hindu fundamentals vehemently boasting about annexing Saudi Arabia,China,Bangladesh,Nigeria,Pakistan etc.

 

[syedali73]

Actually vhp,rss wants to extend their hegemony outside of india,On this very forum I have seen hindu fundamentals vehemently boasting about annexing Saudi Arabia,China,Bangladesh,Nigeria,Pakistan etc.

Have you noticed how they bring all the idol worshipers in the domain of Dharma? Whereas Dharma is specific to the Indian religions i.e. Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikhism and Jainism. By claiming all the idol worshipers as Dharmic, basically they claim the associated cultures, civilizations, achievements, everything as their's. Look at the post#15 where as Hindutvadi is claiming, albeit ignorantly, the Mecca as a place of Dharmic pilgrims. This explains why they talk about annexing just about every part of the world.

 

[I.R.A]

This went like a rocket over my head

Let us dissect this piece further may be we can reach some conclusion

He says

Speaking to the delegation in Kuwait, he announced in view of an age old rule that it was “necessary to destroy all the churches of the region.”

Which rule is he referring to? Anyone has any knowledge of any Islamic rule that says this? I don't have and may be most of other Muslims are not aware of this rule if this is any Islamic rule. So which rule he is referring to?

Sheikh Abdul Aziz bin Abdullah stressed that since the tiny Gulf state was a part of the Arabian Peninsula, it was necessary to destroy all of the churches across the country, Arabian media reported.

It is part of Arabian Peninsula so Churches should be destroyed, but why?................................ Can anyone here help me understand this?

@al-Hasani can you please shed some light which rule is this? And what logic is this?

 

[lasttry]

These senile old men are no different to VHP or the KKK.

You would want to make that comparison, wouldnt you? And get away with it as well. I feel happy seeing your open display of envy.

 

[ZooZoo]

Your facts are wrong. The Kaaba (its not Mecca, which was a town) was erected by Abraham, the father of the three Abrahamic religions, and Abraham was not Dharmic or idol worshiper. So in essence, Mohammed (PBUH) reclaimed Kaaba and nothing more.

This is your Belief there is no Historical or factual correctness to it...

As I stated earlier, This Maulana is saying nothing new. He is emulating his prophet.

Having said that I am judging acts of his prophet..

 

[syedali73]

This is your Belief there is no Historical or factual correctness to it...

As I stated earlier, This Maulana is saying nothing new. He is emulating his prophet.

Having said that I am judging acts of his prophet..

You are an ignorant fool who acquires information in the gatherings of Hindutva radicals and not from the history books. According to your history, airplanes used to fly on Donkey urine in the ancient India. This is your history and these are your facts.

 

[I.R.A]

Blasphemous...:
I know as a Muslim you will not believe it, But as a rational human being you must acknowledge the historical fact.

Okay let us see your rationality and historical fact...............

Mecca was a temple of Dharmic ppl, It had more than 300 Idols. The Dharmic ppl from far-far come to worship in this temple...

Dharmic people are you sure? They used to bury their daughters as they felt ashamed of being father of a daughter, and one of their worship method involved going fully naked like your dharmic sadhus. This much you are right they resembled with dharmic people.

Now for rest of your argument.............................. It is a mosque that was built by Hazrat Ibrahim (PBUH), not a temple and never has been a temple. Second the custodian of this mosque during the times you are referring to was grandfather of Prophet (PBUH) "Hazrat Abdul Mutlib". And these far far far far far far away people were not at least from this subcontinent, otherwise we must have witnessed Indian slaves being freed by Prophet (PBUH).

Muhammad attacked and destroy and capture this worship place..I am not judging Muhammad act as right or wrong. I am just stating one fact..

Prophet (PBUH) with his companion invaded, dharmic people (as you call them) surrendered without a fight and sought forgiveness which was dully afforded and then Prophet (PBUH) moved on to clean the filth from Holiest of the site of all time. And you cannot judge at all, reason being you are a tiny tiny particle on a very tiny tiny planet in a universe for which Prophet (PBUH) has been called as a blessing.

Now stay on topic and don't try to involve Prophet (PBUH) to support your argument. Let us give respect and have respect in return.

 

[ZooZoo]

Have you noticed how they bring all the idol worshipers in the domain of Dharma? Whereas Dharma is specific to the Indian religions i.e. Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikhism and Jainism. By claiming all the idol worshipers as Dharmic, basically they claim the associated cultures, civilizations, achievements, everything as their's. Look at the post#15 where as Hindutvadi is claiming, albeit ignorantly, the Mecca as a place of Dharmic pilgrims. This explains why they talk about annexing just about every part of the world.

You are right, Idol Worship exist in Dharmic religions. It doesn't mean Dharmic religiaon means only "Idol worship"..

Here is comparative diffrnce btwn Dharmic and Abrahmic religion.

From what I understand, there are deep, underlying differences in the philosophy of Abrahamic versus Dharmic religions. Abrahamic religions see time as an arrow that only points one way; each human gets one life to live; the world is created once and will be destroyed once; God gives missions to individuals and tribes that are meant to push towards this final apocalypse or salvation. The Dharmic religions, on the other hand, view time as being more cyclic. In Dharmic religions, people are reincarnated many times; reward and retribution are not administered all at once in a final afterlife, but rather in the course of many successive lives and "temporary afterlives." The same soul may experience karmic reward and karmic retribution. Even gods are reincarnated many times, meaning that even among celestial beings, no action or life is truly unique. Often in Dharmic religions, the world may even be created and destroyed cyclically.

In keeping with these general differences of viewing time as a one-way arrow versus an infinite cycle, the Abrahamic and Dharmic religions tend to emphasize different virtues. The Abrahamic religions tend to promote "action virtues," such as prosperity, achievement, authority, and of course evangelization. Conversely, the Dharmic religions tend to focus on serenity and acceptance. The Abrahamic teachings encourage humans to alter their world in the grand push towards the end of time, while the Dharmic religions encourage humans to accept a world that is more or less constant and eternally repeating.

The Dharmic religions also seem to put less emphasis on God as a human-like being with vested interest in events on Earth. In the Abrahamic religions, God is the central player, stern in his edicts. The Abrahamic God is also considered to be unflawed, an always-perfect being who has a perfect master plan. In the Dharmic religions, God may appear in many different incarnations, or not at all. Many interpretations of Buddhism are atheistic, a universe existing with certain moral laws and properties, but no human-like being overseeing the whole show. In Hinduism, many different incarnations of different gods and goddesses are all seen as emanations of the central consciousness of the universe; but all of those incarnations are in some way flawed, allowing them to be different from each other. Here, God does not take on the all-knowing, flawless, and actively planning role he does in the Abrahamic religions.

You are an ignorant fool who acquires information in the gatherings of Hindutva radicals.

I just Quoted "the Greek historian Diodorus", I didn't know he was Hindutva Radical...
Diodorus Siculus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


The fact:
There was a Dharmic temple in Kabba
Muhammad and his followers destroyed all idols, destroyed temples, captured Kabba and made it holy site of Islam.

I again said "I am just stating facts, I am not saying Muhammad did wrong or right".

Okay let us see your rationality and historical fact...............

Dharmic people are you sure? They used to bury their daughters as they felt ashamed of being father of a daughter, and one of their worship method involved going fully naked like your dharmic sadhus. This much you are right they resembled with dharmic people.

May be possible you are right. May be there were wrong customs. But can you bring Historical proof?? don't quote some biased religious script to substantiate your words. Nakedness is not wrong, humanity start with nakedness.

Now for rest of your argument.............................. It is a mosque that was built by Hazrat Ibrahim (PBUH), not a temple and never has been a temple. Second the custodian of this mosque during the times you are referring to was grandfather of Prophet (PBUH) "Hazrat Abdul Mutlib". And these far far far far far far away people were not at least from this subcontinent, otherwise we must have witnessed Indian slaves being freed by Prophet (PBUH).

If your fable is right, then Historian Diodorus was wrong, Both can't be right same time. This is just your belief, there is no Historical or Logical proof that Such Hazrat ever existed.

Prophet (PBUH) with his companion invaded, dharmic people (as you call them) surrendered without a fight and sought forgiveness which was dully afforded and then Prophet (PBUH) moved on to clean the filth from Holiest of the site of all time. And you cannot judge at all, reason being you are a tiny tiny particle on a very tiny tiny planet in a universe for which Prophet (PBUH) has been called as a blessing.

Now stay on topic and don't try to involve Prophet (PBUH) to support your argument. Let us give respect and have respect in return.

Again this is your personal view, What you call filth we call it Idol and we worship it. This is what you are brainwashed for.

I am not judging your Prophet (for me he was just another religion creator), I am just stating the facts. and the Fact is

The fact:
There was a Dharmic temple in Kabba
Muhammad and his followers destroyed all idols, destroyed temples, captured Kabba and made it holy site of Islam.
This Maulna is following his prophet path...

I again said "I am just stating facts, I am not saying Muhammad did wrong or right".

 

[syedali73]

The fact:
There was a Dharmic temple in Kabba
Muhammad and his followers destroyed all idols, destroyed temples, captured Kabba and made it holy site of Islam.

You are given a negative rating for deliberately twisting the facts. You can report to the Mods if you find it unjust. Please remember that religious debates are not allowed here, let alone twisting the facts and presenting your favorite history.

 

[ZooZoo]

This is too much.. I stated historical fact and you gave me -ve rating.. Better you should not have posted this thread ...

 

[indianBong]

Where are we heading???? Forward or backward...!!!! Retards of all religlion unite... we will donate you a land..name it retardistan..move there and let us leave in peace.. we will happily donate you land..

 

[ZooZoo]

You are given a negative rating for deliberately twisting the facts. You can report to the Mods if you find it unjust. Please remember that religious debates are not allowed here, let alone twisting the facts and presenting your favorite history.

This is called intolerance towards facts... When @Color_Less_Sky mention Idols as filth, he was left alone. When I stated the truth I was given -ve rating.

If religious discussion is banned, then why don't you ban , religious threads??

 

[I.R.A]

You are right, Idol Worship exist in Dharmic religions. It doesn't mean Dharmic religiaon means only "Idol worship"..

Here is comparative diffrnce btwn Dharmic and Abrahmic religion.

From what I understand, there are deep, underlying differences in the philosophy of Abrahamic versus Dharmic religions. Abrahamic religions see time as an arrow that only points one way; each human gets one life to live; the world is created once and will be destroyed once; God gives missions to individuals and tribes that are meant to push towards this final apocalypse or salvation. The Dharmic religions, on the other hand, view time as being more cyclic. In Dharmic religions, people are reincarnated many times; reward and retribution are not administered all at once in a final afterlife, but rather in the course of many successive lives and "temporary afterlives." The same soul may experience karmic reward and karmic retribution. Even gods are reincarnated many times, meaning that even among celestial beings, no action or life is truly unique. Often in Dharmic religions, the world may even be created and destroyed cyclically.

In keeping with these general differences of viewing time as a one-way arrow versus an infinite cycle, the Abrahamic and Dharmic religions tend to emphasize different virtues. The Abrahamic religions tend to promote "action virtues," such as prosperity, achievement, authority, and of course evangelization. Conversely, the Dharmic religions tend to focus on serenity and acceptance. The Abrahamic teachings encourage humans to alter their world in the grand push towards the end of time, while the Dharmic religions encourage humans to accept a world that is more or less constant and eternally repeating.

The Dharmic religions also seem to put less emphasis on God as a human-like being with vested interest in events on Earth. In the Abrahamic religions, God is the central player, stern in his edicts. The Abrahamic God is also considered to be unflawed, an always-perfect being who has a perfect master plan. In the Dharmic religions, God may appear in many different incarnations, or not at all. Many interpretations of Buddhism are atheistic, a universe existing with certain moral laws and properties, but no human-like being overseeing the whole show. In Hinduism, many different incarnations of different gods and goddesses are all seen as emanations of the central consciousness of the universe; but all of those incarnations are in some way flawed, allowing them to be different from each other. Here, God does not take on the all-knowing, flawless, and actively planning role he does in the Abrahamic religions.





I just Quoted "the Greek historian Diodorus", I didn't know he was Hindutva Radical...
Diodorus Siculus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


The fact:
There was a Dharmic temple in Kabba
Muhammad and his followers destroyed all idols, destroyed temples, captured Kabba and made it holy site of Islam.

I again said "I am just stating facts, I am not saying Muhammad did wrong or right".



May be possible you are right. May be there were wrong customs. But can you bring Historical proof?? don't quote some biased religious script to substantiate your words. Nakedness is not wrong, humanity start with nakedness.



If your fable is right, then Historian Diodorus was wrong, Both can't be right same time. This is just your belief, there is no Historical or Logical proof that Such Hazrat ever existed.





Again this is your personal view, What you call filth we call it Idol and we worship it. This is what you are brainwashed for.

I am not judging your Prophet (for me he was just another religion creator), I am just stating the facts. and the Fact is

The fact:
There was a Dharmic temple in Kabba
Muhammad and his followers destroyed all idols, destroyed temples, captured Kabba and made it holy site of Islam.
This Maulna is following his prophet path...

I again said "I am just stating facts, I am not saying Muhammad did wrong or right".

Just tell me the names of those idols that were worshiped there?

For historical or non historical facts even your countrymen would not support you, and you are contradicting more than half of populace on this planet by just saying you won't believe it because it is not historical fact according to you.