Demography War in Turkey.

[AUz]

its not a demography war its also about cuölture and education and woman rights..

kurds mostly dont have this woman rights and good education of woman.. also their culture is different from our guys (big city and villages) mostly those in big villages live a european lifestyle wihtout marriage girlfriends etc.. and than you can imagine a child is not welcomed in this configuration.. also turks generally dont have much children nowadays..

but kurds have generally more children and are like arabs.. big families many children..

so if you dont do anything against this culture and dont educate the girls and bring them more rights or protect their rights than this will not stop..

Rather than trying to change Kurd's culture, Turks should abandon this inferior European social culture that is unfit for modern Turkey.

Turkey needs an average fertility rate of 3 kids per woman on average. Ethnically Turkish men and women should understand this, and adapt a more Islamic oriented lifestyle with marriage and kids (government should facilitate this as well).

Because if Turkey doesn't get her fertility rates up, Turkey will have more older people than France and it's average age will be 50 years old in coming decades. This will be a disaster for economy and Turkish society. You guys NEED young people for growth since you aren't Germany with ultra high tech society with ultra ultra rich people. Germany can afford to be this old (even they are struggling) but nations like Turkey can not afford this!

 

[usernameless]

Rather than trying to change Kurd's culture, Turks should abandon this inferior European social culture that is unfit for modern Turkey.

Turkey needs an average fertility rate of 3 kids per woman on average. Ethnically Turkish men and women should understand this, and adapt a more Islamic oriented lifestyle with marriage and kids (government should facilitate this as well).

Because if Turkey doesn't get her fertility rates up, Turkey will have more older people than France and it's average age will be 50 years old in coming decades. This will be a disaster for economy and Turkish society. You guys NEED young people for growth since you aren't Germany with ultra high tech society with ultra ultra rich people. Germany can afford to be this old (even they are struggling) but nations like Turkey can not afford this!

It's not really due to 'European' or whatever lifestyle, it's rather because of increasing wealth and increase of expense of taking care of children. The more people start to earn (often also because the woman is working too), the less children they tend to have. This is a worldwide trend that will continue. If you happen to be low/middle-class, taking care of big number of children becomes difficult, that is if you want to give them proper qualitative education.

The Kurdish demography threat is imo exaggerated. They do make more children on average, but it's not like they make ~8-10 children on average as fear mongers (i don't point finger at anyone in this thread) like to spread. The statistics below show the top 10 provinces with the highest and lowest birth. Highest birth provinces in orange-ish color. Sanliurfa had 4.52 children on average, and the other top 10 provinces are lower, which is not too terrible. As @Deliorman wrote, with more investments, job employment, education and more awareness among women these figures will decrease in the future (of course pkk did and will continue to sabotage such investments to keep the locals poor, uneducated and hopeless, thus making them susceptible for pkk propaganda). However, there is another reality that irks me the most; why are some Turkish couples only making 1-2 children (as the provinces in light blue are indicated), especially the ones in the wealthier parts? As the illustration shows in the right bottom, Turkish fertility number is increasing (at least 2.1 needed for healthy population growth), but imo ideally it would be better if the majority of our people make 3 children and 2 for the ones that cannot afford a third one.

2014

 

[Islamic faith&Secularism]

I am posting this video( Please focus on the steps in the video, and then picturize the votes of HDP in your mind) before going into details with figures in populaiton, immigration, social life, economy, education,security, and finally politic results of those figures in aformentioned areas(economy, social life etc.)

Demography War does not only mean Population, the population is the first step in order to start the change in social life, economy, culture, education, security. Those changes are essential steps to win the politic majority/superiority in a region as in South Eastern Turkey.

If the thread is let to go into details with figures in populaiton, immigration, social life, economy, education,security, and finally politic results of those figures , I am sure most of people here (if not, then in Europe Section of World Affairs) will realize the situation and believe in the changes in figures in respect to social life, economy, culture, education, security, and finally the politic majority in the cities or regions.

With the politic majority, what these changes will cause in mid term as happened in South Eastern Turkey.

 

[Attila the Hun]

I am posting this video( Please focus on the steps in the video, and then picturize the votes of HDP in your mind) before going into details with figures in populaiton, immigration, social life, economy, education,security, and finally politic results of those figures in aformentioned areas(economy, social life etc.)

Demography War does not only mean Population, the population is the first step in order to start the change in social life, economy, culture, education, security. Those changes are essential steps to win the politic majority/superiority in a region as in South Eastern Turkey.

If the thread is let to go into details with figures in populaiton, immigration, social life, economy, education,security, and finally politic results of those figures , I am sure most of people here (if not, then in Europe Section of World Affairs) will realize the situation and believe in the changes in figures in respect to social life, economy, culture, education, security, and finally the politic majority in the cities or regions.

With the politic majority, what these changes will cause in mid term as happened in South Eastern Turkey.

We just need to invest more in that part of the region and develop it. More jobs, and just try to assimilate them into Turkish culture.
A lot of Kurds love waving our flags, sure a lot don't. we just need to focus our investments there, it'll be fine. I have no worries.
We really do need to start having more babies though.

 

[Timur]

We just need to invest more in that part of the region and develop it. More jobs, and just try to assimilate them into Turkish culture.
A lot of Kurds love waving our flags, sure a lot don't. we just need to focus our investments there, it'll be fine. I have no worries.
We really do need to start having more babies though.

but there are copleatly lost generations and lost minds.. its not like a bunch of ppl.. from germany where you can say 80% of all kurds are pro pkk dogs because they can talk freely without fear than you know with what you have to deal.. im my region (where I live).. you can say 99 % of all kurds are pro PKK with financing, waving pkk flags, active membership and so on..

you guys have the take it easy mentality.. and you all are paying for this mentality till it will hurt a family member.. this is reality in turkey from politicians to our folk everybody share this "take it easy" mentality..

we need to settle there many many Turks pay them if nessesary and force their children with education.. let it be turkmans, or middle asia turks or middle eastern turks.. settle them there and let them have 10 babies and allow them to marry up to 4 woman to have more children.. than we need to settle the syrian refugees no kurdish refugees give them money and education.. and let them have many babies.. and than this kurds will be minority in their strongholds.. if nessesary take many of the kurds and syrian arabs in a militia or lets call it village protector with some heavy weapons.. the most important thing is to give those new settlers a perspective and full support and someone who listen to their problems..


we also should care of our heart of turkey the region of ankara to kayseri this are turks and should not be forgotten like nowadays.. ataturk did not take ankara as capital of turkey just on a whim..

and like I always said if we never do this than we will face a very bad future:
fight pkk in reality not only hit them sometimes with weapons

we need a school system wich takes care of it even if it means to have school from 8 to 15:45 o'clock
anti pkk agenda in school, watch and take of families of children with suspicious behavior..
TV shows and dcumentation
war on the minds of ppl, we need good shows good quality not only in turkish.. like the bbc documentaries
economic war
give ppl jobs, take care of those who pay pkk, cut off PKK financial streams
police security and laws
even if a policemen will take out his gun and point it on the head of a PKK terrorist and kills him no one should be able to do anything against him .. if someone does he will get punishment one year in prosion and 1/4 of his wealth
blackmailers: take care of them and bust them first
war on drugs
this is very important..
kill their leaders everywhere
learn where they live, learn where there houses are, burn them, poisen them, take them out, let them have car incidents , sniper them learn from cia and mossad.. no mercy..

we llack of propaganda we lack of real actions..
we should have death squads in syria to take out ypg.. man we have sattelites we have cruise missles hit them and cause damage..

 

[Attila the Hun]

but there are copleatly lost generations and lost minds.. its not like a bunch of ppl.. from germany where you can say 80% of all kurds are pro pkk dogs because they can talk freely without fear than you know with what you have to deal.. im my region (where I live).. you can say 99 % of all kurds are pro PKK with financing, waving pkk flags, active membership and so on..

you guys have the take it easy mentality.. and you all are paying for this mentality till it will hurt a family member.. this is reality in turkey from politicians to our folk everybody share this "take it easy" mentality..

we need to settle there many many Turks pay them if nessesary and force their children with education.. let it be turkmans, or middle asia turks or middle eastern turks.. settle them there and let them have 10 babies and allow them to marry up to 4 woman to have more children.. than we need to settle the syrian refugees no kurdish refugees give them money and education.. and let them have many babies.. and than this kurds will be minority in their strongholds.. if nessesary take many of the kurds and syrian arabs in a militia or lets call it village protector with some heavy weapons.. the most important thing is to give those new settlers a perspective and full support and someone who listen to their problems..


we also should care of our heart of turkey the region of ankara to kayseri this are turks and should not be forgotten like nowadays.. ataturk did not take ankara as capital of turkey just on a whim..

and like I always said if we never do this than we will face a very bad future:
fight pkk in reality not only hit them sometimes with weapons

we need a school system wich takes care of it even if it means to have school from 8 to 15:45 o'clock
anti pkk agenda in school, watch and take of families of children with suspicious behavior..
TV shows and dcumentation
war on the minds of ppl, we need good shows good quality not only in turkish.. like the bbc documentaries
economic war
give ppl jobs, take care of those who pay pkk, cut off PKK financial streams
police security and laws
even if a policemen will take out his gun and point it on the head of a PKK terrorist and kills him no one should be able to do anything against him .. if someone does he will get punishment one year in prosion and 1/4 of his wealth
blackmailers: take care of them and bust them first
war on drugs
this is very important..
kill their leaders everywhere
learn where they live, learn where there houses are, burn them, poisen them, take them out, let them have car incidents , sniper them learn from cia and mossad.. no mercy..

we llack of propaganda we lack of real actions..
we should have death squads in syria to take out ypg.. man we have sattelites we have cruise missles hit them and cause damage..

The problem is, how can we settle Turks there, if it's a bad area(you know what I mean). Surely with investments, it'll be easier to move Turks to those provinces in the east?
We really do need to try create jobs there, now, if we just concentrate on Istanbul, Istanbul, Istanbul and then Antalya, Izmir. how is that going to work? Turks will never move to Sanliurfa.
Turkish men will not marry 4 women and have 10 children, it just won't happen. Even those die hard Muslims won't do it lol.
I agree with Ankara, Kayseri, Sivas, should all be our main priority , lets not lose these provinces to the terrorists!!! Erzurum and Erzincan, Malatya , have to be saved too.
My friend, not only do we need to kill their leaders.
We're not so good with propaganda like our European and Middle eastern friends. we're just good at exposing it lol.But agree with you.

 

[Islamic faith&Secularism]

''
Turkey's waning fertility threatens Erdoğan's vision of strength
Figures show population growth in rural areas vastly surpassing that in the largely secular cities. While western provinces nearer Europe, such as Edirne, had birth rates as low as 1.5, the south-eastern province of Şanlıurfa, which has a high Kurdish population and half a million Syrian refugees, had a rate nearly three times as high: 4.33.
It already hosts 3 million people who fled the fighting in neighbouring Syria, many of whom will be eligible for citizenship, and that number is set to increase rapidly. About 177,000 babies were born to Syrian mothers in Turkey between 2011 and 2016, with researchers at Hacettepe University estimating that 80,000 were born in 2016 with another 90,000 projected births in 2017.
“This means from now on every year 100 thousand babies will be born and this will generate 1 million more refugees in 10 years,” said Dr Murat Erdoğan, the director of Hacettepe University’s Migration and Politics Research Centre.
The fall is also a symptom of Turkey’s modernity, rising education levels and improving career opportunities for women, in addition to fears over the country’s increasing polarisation.
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The source: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ar-religious-divide-erdogan-population-growth

 

[Islamic faith&Secularism]

The Turk roots of Eastern and Southeastern Turkey.

The Religious roots of Eastern and Souhterneastern Turkey.

 

[bsruzm]

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HAYIR. "War" uygun değil.

 

[Islamic faith&Secularism]

The Birth Rate in Turkey.

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