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Delhi Police arrests 26/11 accused at IGI Airport

The Lashkar terrorist , an Indian national

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June 21, has since made the stunning claim

So his "confessions" were obtained under Indian police interrogation? Like Kasab's? Interesting...

Kasab's arrest was important since his Pakistani nationality exposed Islamabad's initial stubborn denial

So, putting this logic together with the earlier quote above, Jundal's Indian nationality "proves" Indian state complicity?

Abu Jundal's significance lies in the key role he played in preparations and during the 26/11 attack on Mumbai. Being from Beed in Maharashtra, he taught the basics of Hindi usage to the Pakistani Laskhar squad. On the fateful day, he was in the control room firing instructions to killers, and also coached the killers to wrong-foot the Indian investigators and global community by posing as members of a fictional Indian outfit: Deccan Mujahideen.

So, it is accepted by Indians that the key role was played by an Indian national? Good to know!

His statement to the Delhi Police

Coercion? duress? plea bargain?

Evidence?

Indian authorities expect him to provide more clarity on the participation of two serving officers of Pakistan army

Indeed!

This person was arrested around 2 months and was in Saudi ARabia on a PAKISTANI passport

Which proves what exactly?

Israeli assassins traveled on fake British and (Dutch?) passports. Any two bit criminal can get a fake passport for the right price.

Pakistani govt. put pressure to not deport him to India.

Assuming it's true, that's reasonable. Pakistan wanted to get its hands on the Indian operative before he got back to base and "confessed".

His arrest, at least from reports, prove that Hafiz Saeed was INVOLVED in training of the 26/11 attackers.

No proof. Just more allegations.

That the Pakistani tactic has been to show that these terrorists are indigenous to India so as to get attacks against local Muslims and increase tensions in Indian society. The fact that the Pakistani terrorists in Mumbai were coached to say FALSELY that they are form Hyderabad and that they are Deccan Mujahideen proves this tactic. It shows how these Pakistani terrorists and their ISI counterparts have no concern for Indian Muslim and would happy for revenge attacks against Muslims in India wether it be Kashmir or Hyderbad. The same thing with use of Hindi words and wearing saffron threads.

Or, Indian agencies are willing to sacrifice their own citizens to further their agenda. Since India refuses to let Pakistan interrogate the criminals, all we have is India's word for what happened.

Remember, even the US refused to extradite Headley to India, and we know that the US is far more likely to pander to India than to Pakistan these days.

WHY did the GoP try to stop the deportation of this terrorist to India and WHY was he on a Pakistani passport travelling to Saudi?

Already addressed.

On topic -I would really like to see what this guy has the say about Hafiz saeed and ISI's role now .

He will "reveal" what his script requires him to say. His Indian handlers will be happy to "refresh" his memory.
 
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The 2010 state visit to Saudi Arabia by Manmohan Singh really changed the relations of both our countries for better as we both face the threat of terrorism we can work together as we have shown with this capture.

Since the 9/11 hardly any Saudis have been involved in any terror activities anyway . People keep jumping to 9/11 all the time .
 
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ISI officers gave orders to 26/11 handlers, says Abu Hamza: Top 10 developments


New Delhi: Abu Jundal aka Abu Hamza, whose real name is Zabiuddin Ansari (he has 10 aliases) is being interrogated by intelligence and police officials about his role as a handler during the 26/11 attacks in Mumbai.

1. Abu Hamza has allegedly confessed that he was in a control room in Karachi during the 26/11 attacks, and that he served as one of six handlers who instructed the ten terrorists in Mumbai on how to execute the attacks at different landmarks.

2. He has allegedly said that officers from Pakistan's ISI were also in this control room.

3. Hamza was deported by Saudi Arabia earlier this month. He was being tracked by India's Intelligence Bureau and the National Investigation Agency (NIA) for more than a year, say sources.

4. He has allegedly said that after Ajmal Kasab was caught alive during the 26/11 attacks (the other nine terrorists in Mumbai were killed), the handlers who had worked the phones to them were asked to leave Pakistan immediately. He travelled to Saudi Arabia on a Pakistani passport.

5. Hamza, 30, is from the Beed district in Maharashtra. He was originally a member of the Indian Mujahideen (IM), an Indian terror group, and was close to its founder, Riyaz Bhatkal. He escaped to Pakistan around 2006, by which time he was wanted for a massive arms haul in Aurangabad - AK47s and huge quantities of the explosive RDX were discovered as part of a major attack planned by the Lashkar.
6. In 2010, a suspected Lashkar terrorist named Lal Baba Mohammed Sheikh was arrested by the NIA after the German Bakery was bombed in Pune; 17 people were killed. This arrested terrorist told interrogators that Hamza had played a part in the Pune terror attack. He listened to the 26/11 recordings of the phone conversations between the Pakistani terrorists in Mumbai and their six handlers in Pakistan, and identified Abu Hamza's voice. He said this man was Zabiuddin Ansari from Beed. Indian intel then began tracking Hamza.

7. He was the Indian hand in 26/11, they suspected - a man who used Hindi terms like prashasan and yuvak in his conversations, Hindi words that suggested he was from India. Of the ten terrorists who executed 26/11, Ajmal Kasab alone was captured alive. He told a court that Hamza had taught his group Hindi before they set sail for Mumbai from Karachi.

8. Pakistan had reportedly been pressuring Saudi Arabia against deporting Hamza to India. Sources say that Pakistan was worried that once India had access to the handler, it would be able to irrefutably establish how Pakistani "state actors" - possibly from the ISI and the country's army - were linked to 26/11.

9. Indian intelligence officials collected DNA samples from his family members in Beed and sent samples to Saudi Arabia. They matched with Hamza's. That helped persuade Saudi Arabia to hand him over.

10. Hamza, currently in a Delhi jail, is in the custody of the Delhi Police. He will stay there till July 5. The Mumbai Police wants to question him about the 2006 attacks on local trains in Mumbai, in which 180 people were killed. It moved the Tis Hazari court in Delhi today seeking his custody. The Bangalore Police wants to interrogate him about his alleged role in a bomb blast outside Chinnaswamy Stadium during a cricket match in 2010. The National Investigation Agency which is handling the 26/11 case, also wants to interrogate him.
 
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Was he mad that after 26/11, he was still going into India and out of it???
 
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See below.



So his "confessions" were obtained under Indian police interrogation? Like Kasab's? Interesting...



So, putting this logic together with the earlier quote above, Jundal's Indian nationality "proves" Indian state complicity?



So, it is accepted by Indians that the key role was played by an Indian national? Good to know!



Coercion? duress? plea bargain?

Evidence?



Indeed!



Which proves what exactly?

Israeli assassins traveled on fake British and (Dutch?) passports. Any two bit criminal can get a fake passport for the right price.



Assuming it's true, that's reasonable. Pakistan wanted to get its hands on the Indian operative before he got back to base and "confessed".



No proof. Just more allegations.



Or, Indian agencies are willing to sacrifice their own citizens to further their agenda. Since India refuses to let Pakistan interrogate the criminals, all we have is India's word for what happened.

Remember, even the US refused to extradite Headley to India, and we know that the US is far more likely to pander to India than to Pakistan these days.



Already addressed.



He will "reveal" what his script requires him to say. His Indian handlers will be happy to "refresh" his memory.

And you have already jumped to the conclusion that he will only say whatever he is asked to say ? Why ? That is not how it works in india at least .

No point jumping to conclusions . Let him first open his mouth to the required authorities . Confession given under duress or influence is not admissible in Indian courts . If taken under duress , he can anytime tell the courts later on that his statements were given under duress . Even Kasab could have done that .

Lets see how this progresses , jumping to conclusions from either side will not be proper .

Also , even if an Indian national was involved , it does not take away from the fact that Pakistanis as well as a group based in Pakistan were involved in this act . A group banned by the UN but continues to function freely in Pakistan by just changing its name .This itself amounts to complete insincerity from Pakistan to tackle LeT/JuD which is a known anti-India terro group banned by the UN.This Indian national was also most probably in Pakistan during the attacks before going to Saudi as he has stated to our intelligence .

I really do hope , India gives Pakistanis access to Kasab and this guy though .It will be a folly on our part if we don't .
 
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Since the 9/11 hardly any Saudis have been involved in any terror activities anyway . People keep jumping to 9/11 all the time .


Saudis have done much to their credit in rehabilitation of ex militants that is a positive step in the right direction.

 
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I agree with you this has no place in the modern world. However I am well versed in my own religion and its branches and beliefs to safely say that there is no such a thing as Wahhabism. These teachings are a result of giving power to religious extremists. A power that has since been retaken.

One of King Fahad's many fvck ups.



Is this what they taught you in your own Madrassahs??

Hey mosa you were talking about GIP earlier . What is that ? Can you give me any link ?
 
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No point jumping to conclusions .

That's precisely my point. People are jumping to conclusions all over this thread.

I really do hope , India gives Pakistanis access to Kasab and this guy though .It will be a folly on our part if we don't .

Exactly.

How do you expect Pakistan to react when India says "your army is implicated and, by the way, you can't cross examine the witnesses"?

P.S. I do agree about letting globally banned organizations operate. It doesn't look good.
 
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Pak reacts to arrest of 26/11 handler Abu Hamza

New Delhi: Pakistan today offered India counter-terrorism co-operation in the backdrop of the arrest of Abu Jundal, aka Abu Hamza, a LeT terrorist and key handler of attackers who struck Mumbai in 2008.

Maintaining that Pakistan has been at the forefront in the campaign against terror, the Pakistan High Commission in New Delhi said terrorism is a common concern.

"As agreed at the highest level between Pakistan and India, terrorism is a common concern and counter-terrorism co-operation is in the mutual interest of both countries.

"Pakistan has renewed its offer of co-operation in this domain," the High Commission said in a statement said without elaborating.

Abu Jundal, alias Zaibuddin Ansari, was arrested by Delhi Police after he was deported by Saudi Arabia on June 21.

He had been staying there on a Pakistani passport and is alleged to have been on a recruiting mission for LeT.

Abu Hamza arrest: How India's secret was leaked


New Delhi: When Indian intelligence officials managed to arrest key 26/11 planner, Abu Hamza aka Abu Jundal, they were determined to keep it a secret. Hamza was deported from Saudi Arabia, where he had been posted by terror group Lashkar-e-Taiba to find funds and recruits. There were other Lashkar members stationed in Saudi Arabia - men who had played key roles in terror attacks across India, including a series of blasts on local trains in Mumbai in 2006, in which 180 people were killed. To ensure these other Lashkar operatives were not tipped off, India moved quietly - so covertly, in fact, that the Ministry of External Affairs was not in the loop. The operation was handled entirely by the Ministry of Home Affairs, the Intelligence Bureau and the Research and Analysis Wing. (Who is Abu Hamza?)

Armed with DNA samples from his family members in Beed, Indian officials leaned hard on Saudi Arabia to hand over the terrorist. Pakistan's close ties with Saudi Arabia made this problematic. But the evidence appeared irrefutable -the DNA test added up, so did the voice samples from 26/11 that had Abu Hamza directing the 10 terrorists on what to do as they fanned out through Mumbai, attacking the city's landmarks. (India's trail to Abu Hamza: Top 10 facts)

Once Abu Hamza was brought to India, he was produced in a Delhi court where the Delhi police asked for his custody. But a court reporter of a Hindi daily got wind of the arrest and subsequent arrest warrant--allegedly from court sources. And India's secret was out.

Sources say that Abu Hamza has confessed that during 26/11, he was stationed in a Lashkar "control room." There, he has allegedly said, he reported directly to Zaki-ur-Rahman Lakhvi, the Pakistani Lashkar commander who coordinated the attack.

Was he mad that after 26/11, he was still going into India and out of it???

Abu Hamza was actually apprehended by Saudi authorities in Saudi Arabia and deported to India.
 
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26/11 control room was located in Karachi, says Abu Hamza
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New Delhi: India is getting crucial information from 26/11 handler Abu Hamza (aka Abu Jundal) who has been deported from Saudi Arabia. Abu Hamza has told interrogators that during 26/11, a control room was set up in Karachi near the city's international airport. This became the base camp from where six handlers and commanders of the Lashkar-e-Taiba remote-controlled the ten men who tore through Mumbai, attacking its landmarks in a siege that would kill 166 people. (Who is Abu Hamza?)

Abu Hamza has said the control room was located in the VIP area between the airport, the Malir cantonment and Quadiabad. India will use this to argue that this proves "state actors" from Pakistan were aware of the attacks being unleashed upon Mumbai.

Abu Hamza has also allegedly told interrogators in Delhi that while he and five other handlers tutored the terrorists in Mumbai on satellite phones, Lashkar commander Zaki-ur-Rehman Lakhvi supervised the operation in the control room. He has also reportedly said that Sajid Mir, an ISI agent, was present and in charge. Mir has been described as a handler by David Coleman Headley, the Pakistani national arrested in the US for his role in surveying Mumbai on behalf of the Lashkar ahead of 26/11.
 
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on top of that our the president lady has commuted the 35 death penalty of murderers to life sentence and that too in the last month of her presidency (quite efficient :undecided:...)
Relax man! I think RIGOROUS imprisonment for life is far better than hanging the a$$holes. Hanging takes just about 30 seconds to die, while imprisonment for life is incarceration and suffering in a single dark cell for the rest of his life. That means dying every single day of his remainder life.

Now which is better punishment? 30 seconds of pain by hanging or a lifetime of getting screwed daily? I think the latter is a better option. But needless to say, they should get NO bl00dy mutton biryani in jail!
 
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Again one more Biryani muncher came to our prison, why don't government just do speed trial and hang him very soon.
 
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the latest event puts great pressure on the world comunity to stand united against violance against civilian population.
Pakistan has a great obligation to root out terror leaders who are still planning out attacks in and out of Pakistan

Saudis have done much to their credit in rehabilitation of ex militants that is a positive step in the right direction.


its OK but here the question is, "Ghora Ghaas Se Dosti Karega to Khayega Kya?" :undecided:

did they read my post as below????? we may now face a large scale war and I won't like to see Asian forces losing lives for just defending ourselves :disagree:.
http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-...n-do-main-tumhe-azaadi-dunga.html#post3065021

if we will have to fight a war anyhow then we would get something out of it and in Asia, only Gulf and Australia have natural resources and Asians have equal rights on them. we hope Asians will have got our rights after freedom struggle of Asia soon. We have offered Supari of $1.0tn and Sydney of Australia to the man in picture for that proposal also, for Russian support in freedom struggle of Asia. :meeting:
 
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Thing called evidence

David Headley tells court of ISI links to Lashkar-e-Taiba - Telegraph


The voice sample if he is the one on the tape will show Abu Jundal was indeed in the control room based in Karachi, this together with other statements from Headley to Kasab is evidence in a court of law.

Nowhere in his testimony or in any of the details about his interrogation is there any credible evidence about the identity of the individuals Headley claims were 'ISI/PA' - he claims that certain people introduced themselves as 'Major X or Colonel Y', but beyond that there is nothing to identify these individuals as being serving, retired or whether they were even 'Major/Colonel' - establishing that these so called 'Major X' was acting on behest of the Pakistani State, PA, ISI, is even further down the road.

His arrest, at least from reports, prove that Hafiz Saeed was INVOLVED in training of the 26/11 attackers.
How does his arrest PROVE Hafiz Saeed was involved in the training of the Mumbai attackers, or sponsored the attacks?
Hopefully, GoP will now in good faith arrest Hafiz Saeed and provide voice samples to prove who was present in the control room and then prosecute them or extradite them to India if they can't prosecute them in Pakistan.
Are you seriously suggesting that the Indian government cannot to a voice analysis with the hundreds of video and audio recordings of Hafiz Saeed interviews, speeches and statements? At least a preliminary voice match could be done.
 
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