Declining marriage rate affects everyone in US.

[VCheng]

I did not change the title. My title is correct and I attached a article related to this.

Incorrect. You dropped the WHY to make it a declarative title, fraudulently, and in violation of PDF rules. I quoted the CORRECT title.

 

[huckyang]

Incorrect. You dropped the WHY to make it a declarative title, fraudulently, and in violation of PDF rules. I quoted the CORRECT title.

OK I am fine.

 

[VCheng]

OK I am fine.

You are just a pathetic lying bot. The title of the the thread should be what is in the quoted link. Your intellectual bankruptcy is clear, even for a bot.

 

[Jungibaaz]

And yet, we can see which economies are vibrant and which are stagnant.

Economies and societies are not one dimensional though. They can have lots of positive developments that keep them vibrant, and they can simultaneously face their own unique issues such falling birth rates, ageing populations etc.

In this particular case, what low marriage and birth rates lead to is that they makes your demographic distribution heavily tilted towards older generations:

Meaning more of your current population is retired, more reliant on the state for pensions, social care, government funded healthcare, meanwhile their contributions to taxes are limited due to being retired. I've read in depth what an ageing society means for the UK's fiscal stability, long term trend rate of growth, and the sustainability of government debt. To combat this governments look to promote capital intensive methods of production that cuts the need for labour, but ultimately they all invariably end up relying on high levels of immigration even though that choice is unpopular among natives. Some governments also come up with some really good policies like mandatory paternity and maternity leave, free or subsidised child care, etc.

But the more lopsided that chart gets, the fewer and fewer working age people you have to support a burgeoning amount of older folks.

You can be like Japan and have an ageing population, and still be fairly vibrant. You can have vibrant areas where people emigrate to like Tokyo and Osaka, but you will also see previously vibrant areas fall in to depopulation and decay. You can even use the lack of people to push for more and more digitisation, automation, and make strides in capital usage. But these are not virtues of in and of themselves, they are a response to an undesirable issue.

There is little doubt that deflation (called secular stagnation by Larry Summers), ageing populations, a shrinking pool of working age people to pay for increasing upkeeps of an older generation - are all related trends, and they are all considered undesirable.

I'm not sure about the US, but in the UK and the rest of Europe, this is seen as a major issue. You can refer for example to the UK OBR's Fiscal Sustainability Reports, and see for yourself in what terms they address this issue, and the consequences they see.

 

[maverick1977]

For Men in the US getting married is a very risky affair... If they get divorced, even if it's due to his wife cheating.. then the guy will be kicked out of their house, have his kids and half of his assets taken over by his wife and he has to keep on paying child support... while his wife can happily bring her new lover to live in their house..

you are so right about it... i have lost it all due to the system.. terrible place to raise a family, the system is set to destroy the family and family values, unfortunately.

 

[huckyang]

You are just a pathetic lying bot. The title of the the thread should be what is in the quoted link. Your intellectual bankruptcy is clear, even for a bot.

Oh is that so. That is your thoughts. Then the airticle is a lie written by some lying bot from US. Maybe like what Trump said fake news. So this one is fake airticle. Okay proof me any airticle saying all marriages in US is lasting life time and don't created a society nuisance?

 

[VCheng]

You can be like Japan and have an ageing population, and still be fairly vibrant.

Yes, but this is different than what you said earlier: "Declining birth rates contribute to decay and economic stagnation." Demographic changes are more in response to factors other than marriage, although it may play a role. For example, China is facing similar demographic changes despite being more "stable" in terms of social norms, specially regarding marriage, and yet it is perhaps the most vibrant economy in the world today.

This is a highly complex and multifactorial issue, some of which is pointed out in the article I linked above.

 

[Shazzad123]

Truth be told, western societies are completely screwed.

People dont want to get married, first, due to how expensive marriage is (tbh same in Pakistan). Secondly, the fear and lopsided laws for divorce, just take away whatever motivation for marriage . This also ties up with the population growth where couples are not having kids due to economic burden.

Actually divorce and delayed marriages are increasing worldwide

1. Money and careers since people are more focused on making money

2. Illicit relationships before marriage, unfortunately, having a boyfriend and girlfriend before marriage for many kids is showing off to their friends. When these people get married. They're not virigins but used goods

3. Westernization - the western world might be good for industry and development but for family values, they are at the bottom. Yes when they were christian driven, they were better but now most arr atheist types in many lands.

4. Drugs - when you have a dead beat parent who is hooked on to drinking all day. Its game over

5. Pornography - no matter how much people especially males say it, they have all watched **** sometime in their life and **** gives access to naked women like never before

In the past, to see a naked woman was something every boy wanted but couldn't do. Even in the west, dads use to hide playboy magazines in their house from their kids. Now everybody has access to **** too

 

[Jungibaaz]

Yes, but this is different than what you said earlier: "Declining birth rates contribute to decay and economic stagnation." Demographic changes are more in response to factors other than marriage, although it may play a role. For example, China is facing similar demographic changes despite being more "stable" in terms of social norms, specially regarding marriage, and yet it is perhaps the most vibrant economy in the world today.

This is a highly complex and multifactorial issue, some of which is pointed out in the article I linked above.

Disagree. I have to deal with related economic trends like these to help maintain my understanding of the economy and of current + future market conditions, I do this on a daily basis almost, and it's a part of my job and core competency. I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that low long-term trend rates of growth, deflationary trends, secular stagnation, fiscal viability, are all part of a growing problem in the West that in large part stems from having ageing populations. And if it were not for high levels of immigration, we'd be even worse off, and our projections would be considerably bleaker. I stick wholeheartedly by my characterisation of these as "decline and decay".

This is a major issue, and it has everything to do with marriage and birth rates. It's why governments are allowing high levels of immigration despite the lack of popularity of these policies, and they are just recently waking up and offering better paternity leave and child care subsidies etc.

 

[Shazzad123]

A whiteman ever told me, if he go business trip for 3 weeks, his wife sure go out find someone to FCUK.

Also now while cheating still generally disapproved by US society, it has acquire much positive connotation over the years such as "courage to find true love", "honest to ones true feeling"...etc

Well if a white guy says his wife is having sex with somebody else then there is something wrong in his marriage. It seems like its a marriage for economic security more than an actual connection. I know plenty of cases where guys have to work for weeks away from home and the wives are great and do their own thing without cheating or anything. There is plenty of single women out there who live without men all together and they don't even need sex at all.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

my family has real trouble balancing career and family.

a two income household is the only real way to have stable family finances in the US. but finding child care is very difficult. my parents are unavailable, her parents also are working and already have to take care of my loser brother in law.

the US system is still based on assumptions of 1950's single earner households with a stay at home mom and rich salaryman dad working 9-5 hours living in the suburbs. the reality is that now you are either on welfare as a member of the poverty class or have to have both parents working 885 in tech just to survive.

The majority people in the west generally live together and marry afterwards.
In the UK more children were born out of marriage then in marriage when I checked the figures a while back.

In the US, there is a strong anti-American woman feeling among the men. They feel that they will marry, work hard to develop a business, then their wife will divorce them and take half of what the've earned. To that add the decline of the American women; overweight, unfeminine and lacking in housewife skills. Hordes of US men are going abroad to Asia, Eastern Europe or south america to find a bride that is still feminine.

They will go abroad and describe the women as 'sweet and feminine' ie the way women are natuarally, not wanting to be 'as good as a man'.

Google 'mgtow'. 'Men Going Their Own Way'. A style for men of basically doing without women, and spending all their hard earned money on themselves.

Mgtow is filled with losers. They talk big but the reality is they just can't back it so they need even more relative privilege to attract women (as if being a white man in America isn't enough). A few years later the Asian or European woman will still divorce them, or have a dead bedroom, or they'll be abusive.

That's why mgtow is heavily coincident with Trump supporters, extreme conservatism, fascism, etc. These are ideologies of the aggrieved, not of winners.

it's hilarious to me to hear some of these white guys complain. What kind of masculine man complains about women lmao. That is literally the most feminine thing.

 

[nang2]

The importance of family as an institution has been declining for a long time when government is taking over many of its functions.

 

[SQ8]

Rather high level view of the problem and discounts the west as some uniform landscape. There are urban and rural trends which differ based upon socioeconomic compulsions from those areas - New York or LA has a different lifestyle than Laredo in Texas along with different trends.

I know a lawyer in Pk who worked on some 700 divorces in just a certain area of a large Pakistani urban metro - and his colleagues are busy as well.

 

[jamal18]

my family has real trouble balancing career and family.

a two income household is the only real way to have stable family finances in the US. but finding child care is very difficult. my parents are unavailable, her parents also are working and already have to take care of my loser brother in law.

the US system is still based on assumptions of 1950's single earner households with a stay at home mom and rich salaryman dad working 9-5 hours living in the suburbs. the reality is that now you are either on welfare as a member of the poverty class or have to have both parents working 885 in tech just to survive.



Mgtow is filled with losers. They talk big but the reality is they just can't back it so they need even more relative privilege to attract women (as if being a white man in America isn't enough). A few years later the Asian or European woman will still divorce them, or have a dead bedroom, or they'll be abusive.

That's why mgtow is heavily coincident with Trump supporters, extreme conservatism, fascism, etc. These are ideologies of the aggrieved, not of winners.

it's hilarious to me to hear some of these white guys complain. What kind of masculine man complains about women lmao. That is literally the most feminine thing.

Western society has 'progressed' to where women are working. Before, a single income was needed to keep a household prosperous. Now a double income is needed simply to survive. Rising living standards?

Yes, Mgtow is losers, sure. It however shows to what extent American men are burned that many go down this path.

A lot of American men aren't complaining about women per se, thay are complaining about American women. Hence the drive to foreign shores for a spouse.

 

[Shazzad123]

my family has real trouble balancing career and family.

a two income household is the only real way to have stable family finances in the US. but finding child care is very difficult. my parents are unavailable, her parents also are working and already have to take care of my loser brother in law.

the US system is still based on assumptions of 1950's single earner households with a stay at home mom and rich salaryman dad working 9-5 hours living in the suburbs. the reality is that now you are either on welfare as a member of the poverty class or have to have both parents working 885 in tech just to survive.



Mgtow is filled with losers. They talk big but the reality is they just can't back it so they need even more relative privilege to attract women (as if being a white man in America isn't enough). A few years later the Asian or European woman will still divorce them, or have a dead bedroom, or they'll be abusive.

That's why mgtow is heavily coincident with Trump supporters, extreme conservatism, fascism, etc. These are ideologies of the aggrieved, not of winners.

it's hilarious to me to hear some of these white guys complain. What kind of masculine man complains about women lmao. That is literally the most feminine thing.

The white men have the money but they don't have a whole bunch of money that they don't have to go to work. A lot of these women have jobs themselves so white men aren't needed for them. The white women can use their tits to pull secretary positions. The laws protect white women so during a divorce. They get most of the white guy's money. Most whites live in nuclear families so they don't have a support system of relatives either. Also since white guys aren't good for the sex either. They will get pushed to the side by all these independent females with their own money and status. Most women either want bread winners or bedroom winners. In some instances, they like religious family guys, but most white men aren't religious or family type either.