Death in Afghanistan or bitter life in Pakistan: refugees' choice

[khansaheeb]

But we need to stop allowing them back in its time to get real

No, we need to stop politicising them and stop using them as pawns with Afghanistan. Refugees are refugees. They are guests while they are in Pakistan and Pakistan must treat with full Islamic etiquette and according to the UN 1951 Refugee Convention which we signed up to.

 

[Zibago]

No, we need to stop politicising them and stop using them as pawns with Afghanistan. Refugees are refugees. They are guests while they are in Pakistan and Pakistan must treat with full Islamic etiquette and according to the UN 1951 Refugee Convention which we signed up to.

Who honors that convention? EU, US, Middle East? No one does we need not take someone else, s burden if you wish to house them in your house fine i am sick of these trash pickers roaming around in Islamabad and bad mouthing Pakistan

 

[Pakistansdefender]

Look.
All the those refugees who have returned, having large sum of money per person.
Now they would return safely back, because. We have no fence, no guards, no mechanism .
Our example is if that person who delays going to doctor unless he is diagnosed with cancer and put on death bed.
We don't believe in treating the disease early....
Throw them out...
Atleast throw unregistered ones....
Those bastards that have taken money and were happy that they would go and do business in their lovely country, theose bastards have returned.
It is time now to Harrass them.
Kpk police is going good work. Harrass them as much as you can. Never let them in your kpk....
And when tribal Belt is merged into kpk you have to throw this filth out from there too...
Slums in Islamabad too....
For god sake.you boast about it being the beautiful capital and you. Allow ghora bastards to for slums and later so terrorist activities too.
From now on i have no sympathy for these Afghans .
I have not be sad if they die in n bomb blast. Taliban's are totally right , they must kill all the Afghans, then die in bomb bast and then there is. No afghans left on earth and world would be a peaceful Place.

 

[khansaheeb]

Who honors that convention? EU, US, Middle East? No one does we need not take someone else, s burden if you wish to house them in your house fine i am sick of these trash pickers roaming around in Islamabad and bad mouthing Pakistan

Rather than bitch, it's better you read namaz and read dua for a better future for them and that allah saves you from such a fate.

 

[Zibago]

Rather than bitch, it's better you read namaz and read dua for a better future for them and that allah saves you from such a fate.

Its a cruel and harsh world out there they have to go back we dont need them we dont want them they are nothing more than a burden and a security threat all majir political parties agree with me and want them out

We are not ummat yateem khana we will give refuge to people only from friendly states

 

[Pakistansdefender]

T

Really? But according to Ghani there is pakhtuns genocide going in Pakistan but afghanis somehow still feel saver in Pakistan lmao

koi sharam hoti hai koi haya hoti hai koi ethic hoti hai



There are already to many Pakistanis. Last thing we need is more people to compete with low paying labour jobs. Pehle kuch apne gharib logon ka bhi heyal karo.

They live in Pakistan, yet everyone in their own self are Pakistan's bitter enemies. They hate us.... They want to create trouble, problems, spread hatred towards other ethnicities.
That's not how things are done.
If you want to be refugee, atleast respect the nation....
At one point, I was so much against Pakistani women going back with their Afghani husbands.
But this cannot go on...
The beggar nation cannot control a city, wants to sit and others do their work...
Enough we have listened from them, enough. Stop being guilty. Push them Over . Fence our borders.
Atleasy push the unregistered ones.

 

[khansaheeb]

T

They live in Pakistan, yet everyone in their own self are Pakistan's bitter enemies. They hate us.... They want to create trouble, problems, spread hatred towards other ethnicities.
That's not how things are done.
If you want to be refugee, atleast respect the nation....
At one point, I was so much against Pakistani women going back with their Afghani husbands.
But this cannot go on...
The beggar nation cannot control a city, wants to sit and others do their work...
Enough we have listened from them, enough. Stop being guilty. Push them Over . Fence our borders.
Atleasy push the unregistered ones.

They (the Afhganis in Pakistan) are one of the most hard working and resilient people I have ever seen in the world. Don't blame your ills on them. Please separate facts from racism and stay focus on issues and solutions rather than criminalisation and victimisation.

 

[Pakistansdefender]

S

They (the Afhganis in Pakistan) are one of the most hard working and resilient people I have ever seen in the world. Don't blame your ills on them. Please separate facts from racism and stayed focus on issues and solutions rather than criminalisation and victimisation.

Sir
I am a Muslim and my above comment doesn't match the teaching I believe.
But enough is enough...
They hate us. Nds is totally working against Pakistan. Read the interviews of baloch terrorist sitting in Switzerland or Europe, each and everyone of them was transported by nds.... Who support the bra and bla terrorist , they are under direct patronage of Afghanistan. Now come to kpk, Jua and ttp and now isis, who was funding them against us....
If they spend enough energy in saving their own country, perhaps they don't have this much bad situation.
They hate us. They have been hatingbus forever, why would we love them in return.
Look at the situation in Afghanistan, at this condition, they are doing anti Pakistan activities, suppose they are in better position, what harm could they do...


We are not USA or gulf....
We are poor country, we don't need extra hard working men.... We have enough people for the limited number of jobs in our country.
Apparently all we do is increase out population. I want my pakistani brother to get the job, rather then a foreigner who hates Pakistan.
If we see prosperous then it's good.
Besides we are so poor and inefficient that we are unable to monitor it keep their record of tag them..... It's free for all .
We cannot make any proper mechanism.
Are we even better, look at us.
We have poverty, hunger, no food.
What do you expect from us...
I cant feel sorry, who celebrates the bomb attack on pakistan. They laugh on the social media at the attack in Peshawar school. They are happy at death.
Look at the recent attack on army officers, they are rejoicing, celebrating in the death of soldiers that are Muslims.
They are a different breed, they are fighting for 45 years now.... They are used to it... It has changed them. They demand as though they are king of the world.
They are happy at our deaths....
They hate us.
They rejoice at our death.
They eye our territory, whereas they cannot control their God forsaken land.
Consider some ethnicities below them.
You want me to feel sorry for them?
If only due to international pressure we have to allow registered refugees but we have to return the unregistered ones.
These scums have taken so much money from us per person as they usually are a large family.
But then returned probably from the same truck.

 

[Taygibay]

There are already to many Pakistanis. Last thing we need is more people to compete with low paying labour jobs. Pehle kuch apne gharib logon ka bhi heyal karo.

Mate, in any country there are bad apples.
You as all Pakistanis are likely to have an idea
about present day denizens that are a threat,
more than a simple problem for the nation.

I suggested weaning out those that are truly
convinced that living in Pakistan is best for them.
They will work harder then the lazy you find
now and respect the peace more than say TTP.

It's the driving principle behind immigration
that always existed and controlled selective
immigration allowed by modern border state
that you pick the willing, nice and able over
time or through selection to better your own
population.

That's even why the West Civ liberal thinkers
found it unacceptable as you'd in fact cherry
pick the cream off the refugees and send them
back their average and crazies [ and why not some of yours? ]
thus seriously reducing their chances of success.

I was being a tad sarcastic over all but as always
my offerings are logic-based, my good mate, if
cold logic as per need.

Have a great day, Tay.

 

[Menace2Society]

They have directly caused 70,000 Pakistani deaths. If they don't leave then time to set up concentration camps and that is a kind sentence.

 

[ziaulislam]

And in my thread he called me a hitler and extremist
I am glad he exposed himself that quick by proposing hitler style concentration camps.See we are fighting against hypocrites and should feel proud.
@Maarkhoor @Taygibay @M. Sarmad
P.S We all don,t want afghans in our country but we can deport them or don,t allow them in our country.After all it,s not a decent thing a put a fellow human being in a concentration camp.

to be honest they would prefer a camp here than live in Afghanistan..its so sad that despite 150 billion in civilian aid by over 100 countries this is where we are
remember this is more investment/aid than all Pakistan history infact its half of Pakistan GDP

How about a fourth way?

Split the herd for easier handling.

The guy saying in the OP that life is grim in
a Pakistani refugee camp is probably right.
But the guy later saying that having tried to
return he came back to Pakistan for good is
certainly right for now.
If it is, ask for international community support.

Separate those refugees from the rest and
offer them a route to Pakistani citizenship.
Those will contribute.

Separate the refugees that state affinities
for Indian, count them and call out New Delhi
publicly. We have so many thousands of those
Afghans you so love and they say they love
you too and where shall we deliver them. Namaste!

Separate the refugees that want to go back
and call out Kabul about its fleeing masses &
again ask for international community support.

But FIRST, separate those that you judge doubtful
and build them nice camps beyond the Durand line
halfway down the slope inside Afghanistan ... and
call out Kabul saying : If we feed and protect them,
we keep the land they're on, now make a choice!

Gotta use some imagination peeps 'cuz things like

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realistic as they are are not exactly soulful?

GL, Tay.

the problem lies in two aspects
first each afghan is a family member and hence this will not work without chain immigration
second, they are anti Pakistan to the core, its not that they blame Pakistan for all their problems, they claim Pakistan shouldn't exist and has been curved out of Afghanistan and if given choice will do harm, this is what we have seen, a lot of them take money and blow up places or facilitate them because they dont care, pakistan is just another transit route to somewhere better
third, i doubt things will get bad, after all USA is going to pay the check and expenses

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Why don't we quarantine them. Iran does it. Israel does it with African illegal immigrants. Why we are allowing aliens to roam our streets and cause havoc in our social structure?

That brotherhood and Islamic bond have died long ago after the fall of kabul in post 9/11.

Afghanistan problem lies in its forigen occupation. But when Afghans themselves facilitating occupation of their country, it is not our problem anymore to deal with these refugees. Atleast during Soviet occupation they were predominantly fighting as one against the occupier, hence the justification to look after the refugees.

They are happy with American occupation of their country and should, must leave Pakistan.

 

[Kabira]

Mate, in any country there are bad apples.
You as all Pakistanis are likely to have an idea
about present day denizens that are a threat,
more than a simple problem for the nation.

I suggested weaning out those that are truly
convinced that living in Pakistan is best for them.
They will work harder then the lazy you find
now and respect the peace more than say TTP.

It's the driving principle behind immigration
that always existed and controlled selective
immigration allowed by modern border state
that you pick the willing, nice and able over
time or through selection to better your own
population.

That's even why the West Civ liberal thinkers
found it unacceptable as you'd in fact cherry
pick the cream off the refugees and send them
back their average and crazies [ and why not some of yours? ]
thus seriously reducing their chances of success.

I was being a tad sarcastic over all but as always
my offerings are logic-based, my good mate, if
cold logic as per need.

Have a great day, Tay.

I don’t know what the **** are you talking about. There is no shortage of cheap labour and we don’t need to increase our population with enemies. Its like allowing Indians freepass. Deport all of them and seal the border with land mines.

 

[Taygibay]

When one seals its borders, be them a person or a state,
the observer wonders if those inside are truly kept free
by that enclosure.

And with that GL gang, Tay.

 

[Zibago]

When one seals its borders, be then a person or a state,
the observer wonders if those inside are truly kept free
by that enclosure.

And with t GL gang, Tay.

Well adults know their boundaries children and criminals have to be taught
Tay