Darul Uloom Haqqania agreed to reforms in return for Rs300m: Imran Khan

[FunkyGen]

KPK govt will make sure they do the reforms, you don't bother yourself about it.

Oye mate i live in Pakistan... it does bothers me...

 

[Hell hound]

2.2 million children, most from impoverished backgrounds, study under the Madrassa system. To label them all as terrorists, to leave them isolated without state support...is that going to lead us to peace? This exclusion and isolation narrative is another form of extremism.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153860001914527

that doesn't justify 300 million investment in madrassahs these institute operates on century old systems and has no place in modern world (you can't make sword into a modern weapon no matter how good you get at metallurgy ). these kid will never get the jobs equal to those who studied in school or collage. their curriculum is simply not wide enough.if you want to integrate these poor child into this modern world use this 300 million on building new schools and collages.if they want religious education with it add few extra optional periods for those who want it.
just bulldoze these terrorist factories.give those kids some proper qualifications.

 

[Pandora]

In his thick head IK still wants to bring TTP to mainstream. This moron lost all chances he ever had to make a difference.

 

[Abu Insaf]

This mean 30 more years in fear and terrorism.

 

[BetterPakistan]

that doesn't justify 300 million investment in madrassahs these institute operates on century old systems and has no place in modern world (you can't make sword into a modern weapon no matter how good you get at metallurgy ). these kid will never get the jobs equal to those who studied in school or collage. their curriculum is simply not wide enough.if you want to integrate these poor child into this modern world use this 300 million on building new schools and collages.if they want religious education with it add few extra optional periods for those who want it.
just bulldoze these terrorist factories.give those kids some proper qualifications.

you're not understanding the point. Reforms means to change their course to bring these madrassas into mainstream schools.

Oye mate i live in Pakistan... it does bothers me...

Does a corrupt leadership bother you? if yes than you shouldn't need to defend those whom you keep on defending here

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=668983259924152

 

[Musafir117]

An old saying that a leopard can’t change is spot has been proven true. Taliban Khan will always remain Taliban Khan and carry soft spot for the worse butchers in the history of Islam. It appears that all Imran cared during his Oxford stay was playing cricket as nothing of the liberal outlook of that illustrious university seems to have sunk into his right wing ideology. Don’t know how many more innocent Pakistanis have to be killed before Taliban Khan becomes Pakistan Khan. I am however no longer disappointed with him, instead I am amazed that intelligent & enlightened people like Asad Omer accept this fundoo as their leader.

Here is an apt article in today's the News International.

Mainstreaming the Taliban?
By Babar Sattar
June 25, 2016

The writer is a lawyer based in
Islamabad.

On Wednesday Amjad Sabri was assassinated on the streets of Karachi in cold blood. The Hakeemullah Mehsud group of the TTP reportedly claimed ‘credit’. Sabri’s stirring voice helped many recognise the strength of their bond with the Creator. But the TTP and their ilk thought he was a bad Muslim for he sang qawwalis. The day Imran Khan condoled the death of Sabri, he also defended Khyber Pakhtunkhwa’s Rs300 million grant to the seminary run by Maulana Samiul Haq.

The tragedy for Pakistan is that it is stuck in a quagmire, forced to choose between bad options. Imran Khan, urban Pakistan’s great hope since 2011 as an alternative to the horrid status quo, seems plain wrong on the existential issue of our times: the threat of religious extremism and militancy, its causes and solutions. A decade back, his approach to tribal militancy seemed misconceived. The year 2013 onward, when he forced a consensus in favour of peace talks with the TTP, it seemed dangerous. Today, post-APS and Zarb-e-Azb it seems bigoted.

IK has long projected a romanticised view of tribal militants, disconnected from the history of Afghan jihad and radicalisation of militants by the jihadi factories we set up in our country. To simplify, his explanation for the existence of snake pits in our backyard is that we ordered the army into the tribal areas on behalf of the US, and that peace-loving folk mutated into vermin overnight when they saw the army within their fold and started killing citizens and soldiers alike because the US droned our peace agreements with them.

When a drone killed former TTP chief Hakeemullah Mehsud, IK called it a defining moment in our history that required us as a nation to pick sides. He stated in parliament in 2013 in his speech mourning Hakeemullah’s death that, “we sent the army into Waziristan at the behest of the US. We sent them in there for dollars”. He threatened to blockade supply lines to Nato forces in Afghanistan for sabotaging our peace efforts with TTP by killing Hakeemullah.

In 2013, IK led the move to build a political consensus to engage in peace talks with the TTP. He succeeded in doing so, one of his rare multi-partisan victories, when an APC in 2013 backed his appeal to talk peace with ‘our misguided brethren’ as a way for the security of Pakistanis whom the TTP was terrorising and killing. In 2014 our friend Cyril Almeida wrote that IK, also labelled Taliban Khan, was the man who sold Pakistan, for he mainstreamed extremism. The PTI’s soul-searching response was to serve him with a defamation notice.

In February 2014, TTP spokesman Shahidullah Shahid named five interlocutors authorised to negotiate with the Pakistani government on behalf of the TTP. They included, amongst others, Maulana Samiul Haq of Darul Uloom Haqqania and IK. IK politely declined the role while continuing with his mission to support peace talks with the TTP et al as head of Pakistan’s second largest party.

IK asked those who wanted the state to forcefully establish its writ across the country, including Fata, whether launching a military operation in Waziristan would solve all of Pakistan’s problems. He further questioned the advocates of such operation whether they had considered what conditions might the TTP impose on the rest of Pakistan if such military operation failed (while imploring Pakistanis to show grit and character and stand up to the US).

In the midst of the peace talks in February 2014 (advocated by IK and backed by the PML-N and even our ‘liberal’ political parties) the TTP killed 23 kidnapped Pakistani soldiers. Terror attacks continued while our political leadership celebrated its ‘consensus’ to talk peace with terrorists. Finally, when the TTP claimed the attack on Karachi airport in June 2014, calling it a means to avenge Hakeemullah’s death, the army (notwithstanding its past role in the creation of our snake pits) decided that it had had enough and launched Operation Zarb-e-Azb.

Six months later, APS happened. That seemed to be a turning point in our national consciousness. Post-APS, the sharp tongues of IK and others – calling a kinetic war against terrorism in Pakistan a US war not ours – fell silent. There seemed to have emerged a new national consensus and resolve to fight and wipe out the terrorists amongst us. This consensus was built by the military, which seemed more attuned to public sentiment than our lets-talk-peace-with-terrorists politicos, who quickly fell in line.

There were worrying early signs that APS had not really cured those propagating deal-making with terrorists, but overwhelming public anger had only forced them into tactical retreat. For example, after meeting members of the APS Shuhada Forum in July 2015 IK reiterated his support for peace talks with the TTP, arguing that if it was ok for the US to talk peace with the Afghan Taliban it was ok for us to do so with our Taliban. This was only six months after the TTP butchered 141 Pakistani in APS, including 132 schoolchildren.

Should we be surprised that the KP government wishes to give Rs300 million of taxpayers’ hard-earned money to Maulana Samiul Haq’s privately-owned and controlled Darul Uloom Haqqania? The decorated alums of this ‘seat of learning’ include, amongst others, Jalaluddin Haqqani of the Haqqani Network and Mullah Akhtar Mansour, the recently fallen Taliban chief. It prides in having conferred an honorary ‘doctorate’ on (Dr?) Mullah Mohammad Omar.

Maulana Samiul Haq has been conferred with many affectionate titles. The one relevant for present purposes is ‘father of the Taliban’. He supports a Taliban takeover of Afghanistan as the elixir to our neighbour’s problems. He mediated between rival Taliban factions after the death of Mullah Omar and threw his weight behind Mullah Mansour.

IK and the KP government spokesperson have defended the Rs300 million grant as an effort to ‘mainstream’ the products of this so-called ‘University of Jihad’. How this grant for reconstruction and expansion of a private madressah supporting the Taliban, TTP and the jihadi enterprise generally mainstream its students, or madressah students in general, we have not been told.

Is it part of a broader scheme to regulate the syllabus, teaching methodology, faculty or student body of madressahs, starting with Haqqania? Are there any declared criteria pursuant to which Haqqania qualified for this grant and not other madressahs? Has the KP government discharged its constitutional obligation under Article 25A to afford free education to all school-going children in the province and is thus lavishing grants on private ‘educational’ institutions as the best use of available excessive cash?

What is wrong with us as a nation that as soon as we get something going, we begin to lose interest? The 20-point National Action Plan contrived post-APS included the decision to register and regulate religious seminaries, bring to an end religious extremism and ensure protection of minorities. Only a year and half after APS, which finally slapped us out of our complacency, we are not just in snooze mode but regressing.

The Rangers seem interested in fighting terror and corruption in equal part. Pemra views itself as the new guardian of morality and religion, banning individuals for asking if the state should have a role deciding on people’s religion. Maulvis are back in the business of issuing fatwas on who should live and who shouldn’t. IK wants to mainstream products of the ‘University of Jihad’ under the able guidance of the ‘father of the Taliban’.

The strongest justification for the PTI’s grant to Haqqania has been that it isn’t ideological, it’s just politics. That isn’t something new but a brew of the same toxic mix of religion and politics that we have sipped on since the 80s.

Pakistan is adrift. But the jury is out on who is the more worthy successor of Zia’s Pakistan, Nawaz Sharif or Imran Khan. Sorry Amjad Bhai. Business is business and a cup of tea is a cup of tea.

Email: sattar@post.harvard.edu
http://www.thenews.com.pk/print/130462-Mainstreaming-the-Taliban

That stupid ruined our case internationally where we trying to tell world that we are fighting with a monster please help us and don't treat us all as terrorists, in sports we isolated just coz of this monster and all other fields as well all efforts gonna be affected due to this stupid mentality he have.

 

[RIP Pak LAW]

In a recent interview, Imran Khan claimed that polio campaigned was conducted by Darul uloon Haqqania students all over Fata and many other regions of KP where it was never been done before because of security reasons. So that's a positive development w.r.t to this madrassah.

 

[niaz]

I ask one simple question to all who support Taliban/Daesh version of Islam. Suicide is clearly forbidden in the holy Quran. Please surf the internet and you will see half dozen 'Hadith' where our holy Prophet ( PBUH) has said that those who take their own life are hell bound.

On the other hand students of Haqqania who later became leaders of Taliban have trained hundreds of naive young men to become suicide bombers. It is obvious that teachings of the madrassah do not obey clear orders of Allah & his holy Prophet (PBUH). Who knows how many other beliefs contrary to teaching of Quran & Sunnah are being taught in these nursuries of suicide bombers and we give them 30 crore rupees of Tax payers money!.

I have seen columns by 'Fundoo' journalists such as Ansar Abbasi who support this move. No doubt there is a large section of Pakistani population who agree with Daesh & Taliban and would want bigoted Madrassahs to become even more popular. This is the conundrum of the Pakistan society, with us Pakistan State come the last. So what if Pakistan suffers as long as bigoted version of Islam prospers.

Who cares that Taliban butchered innocent APS kids Long live Imran Khan who rewards the training school of such killers. But of course we are a nation of 'hero worshippers'. Imran Khan is infallible. He can do no wrong, even if he is, his supporters will defend him with their life.

Here is another poignant article.

The religious nation
By Zaigham Khan
June 27, 2016


While the rest of the world talks economy and politics, we remain obsessed with religion and security. Three news items that dominated the headlines last week were all related to religion in one way or the other.

The scope of the events ranged from the clownish antics of a drooling mufti to the tragic murder of a Sufi singer. And in between the two extremes was the tragicomedy of the PTI’s KP government granting Rs300 million to the alma mater of the Afghan and Pakistani Taliban – a bold statement from our ruling classes that they are not yet content with what we have and want more of the same.

According to a Shakespearean critic, both tragedy and comedy arise from the same source – absurdity. A cartoonist can make us laugh at a news item that is tragic enough to make us cry. Honourable Chairperson of Senate committee on Religious Affairs and Interfaith Harmony, Hafiz Hamdullah – can there be a bigger joke than this – criticised a member of the national moon sighting Ruet-e-Hialal Committee, Mufti Abdul Qavi, for gazing at the moonfaced beauties rather than the moon itself and thus not acting like a true religious scholar. His criticism, perhaps mainly motivated by sectarian reasons, came days after he himself showed in front of television cameras how a scholar should behave.

It is not hard to understand the trauma both Hafiz Hamdullah and Mufti Qavi are going through. In order to win attention in the holy month that truly belongs to them, they are trying to outperform the kings of religious shows who have never been to a madressah but carry in their personalities Hafiz, Mufti, Qandeel Baloch and much, much more. Like novice horse riders, though, both have fallen and injured themselves.

Mufti Qavi transgressed the boundaries of the decent public behaviour that his profession and persona required of him. Or perhaps it was Qandeel Baloch who breached the trust and brought in the open what should have stayed in the hotel room. The older ones among us remember that many years ago, in 1991 to be precise, a similar breach of trust had happened when a lady named Madame Tahira spilled the beans about the private life and personal choices of a leading Maulana.

However, Mufti Qavi acted indecently, not criminally, while Hamdullah’s behaviour amounts to criminality. Yet, Qavi is no longer allowed to help us fiind the moon while Hamdullah sits at the head of the Senate’s committee, steering the nation on the path to salvation.

While Qavis and Hamdullahs are having a good time in their own ways, it is the Sabris of this country who are not allowed to breathe freely or live their natural span of life. We are not aware of the motives of his murderer, but it can as well be sectarian as he was keeping a tradition alive that extends, even to the least religious, the ecstasy encompassed in the divine love. According to Sufis, this ecstasy is transformative; it changes the very core of a human being by invoking the divine in them.

Many orthodox scholars have seen Qawali as a biddat (innovation), from the time Amir Khusro, a disciple of Khwaja Nizamuddin Awliya introduced it in the 13th century, though the tradition of divine poetry and music is much older in Islam. Sama or qawwali was one reason for Bulleh Shah’s ouster from the city of Kasur.

Pathanay Khan, the great Sufi singer (not a qawwali singer), once told me how a gang of fanatics attacked a gathering where he was singing Bulleh Shah, broke his music instrument and forced his group to spend a relentlessly cold night in the open. “We spent that night around a tandoor (oven), huddled together like Puppies,” he said with a good laughter. “It was not their fault”, he said. “They did not understand what I was singing.” Those who killed Sabri certainly did not understand what he sang. Their hardened hearts could not experience the transformative power of his music.

According to some reports, the Taliban have claimed responsibility for Sabri’s murder. The claim has not been authenticated but in the past they have committed hundreds of such crimes, targeting those whose religious views were different from them. No discussion about the Taliban is ever complete without talking about their alma mater Darul Uloom Haqqania, which takes pride in the connection.

While disowning Mufti Qavi, who had joined the PTI with some fanfare, the party decided to dole out Rs300 million from the provincial exchequer to the Darul Uloom Haqqania. After coming under fire for the decision, the PTI has given interesting reasons for supporting the institution. The foremost reason is their supposed policy of mainstreaming madressahs. Interestingly, the PTI cannot show a single step taken in that direction during the last three years in KP. How can they? The JI, their coalition partner is mortally opposed to such a step. “If they (the madressahs) are marginalised, they will become radicalised,” Imran Khan told Hamid Mir in a recent interview while defending the decision. This is patent nonsense in the Pakistani context.

While speaking of mainstreaming madressahs, we often borrow the terminology used by the Western aid donors. In Pakistan, maulvis, their parties and their madressahs are as mainstream as they can get. Unlike in Arab dictatorships, they are a part of the ruling elite due to their age-old alliance with Pakistan’s military-bureaucratic establishment and the political elite. They have been radicalised because of this mainstreaming and alliance, and not because they have been marginalised. Our secular political elite tries to use them for legitimacy and political gains but ends up getting used by them. Imran Khan and the PTI are a prime example of this attitude.

It’s not the maulvis, owners of madressahs, and the ulema who are marginalised but the poor who have no option but to dump their children at these madressahs where they can get free food and lodging and have a slight hope for upward mobility. Imran Khan is right in saying that there are 2.2 million students at madressahs, and that reforms are needed. The government has a right to demand these reforms because protection of these children and their wellbeing is its responsibility. It has an oversight role that all governments have failed to fulfil.

Madressahs are what Canadian sociologist Erving Goffman called total institutions – “places of work and residence where a great number of similarly situated people, cut off from the wider community for a considerable time, together lead an enclosed, formally administered round of life.” Children sent to such institutions are completely transformed. We have seen in the case of the Lal Masjid, and in the case of Haqania as well, what such institutions can do to their students and to society.

Their donors may be private individuals but their students are the most vulnerable citizens of Pakistan – the children of the poor – and the state has criminally neglected them. There is hardly any hope that our political tigers and lions can do anything other than mewing in front of our Maulanas.

The writer is a socialan thropologist and development professional.

Email: zaighamkhan@yahoo.com

Twitter: @zaighamkhan
http://www.thenews.com.pk/print/130908-The-religious-nation

 

[notorious_eagle]

Taliban Khan at work once again

PESHAWAR: At least Rs90 million has been allocated by the provincial government for the renovation of temples, churches and gurdwaras.

“Stipends, textbooks and free uniform will also be provided to student of minority communities,” the document stated. “In addition, sufficient funds were set aside to complete ongoing projects initiated for the welfare of minorities in financial year 2015-16.”

http://tribune.com.pk/story/1130702/safeguarding-rights-rs90m-allocated-renovation-religious-places/

 

[war&peace]

Taliban Khan at work once again

PESHAWAR: At least Rs90 million has been allocated by the provincial government for the renovation of temples, churches and gurdwaras.

“Stipends, textbooks and free uniform will also be provided to student of minority communities,” the document stated. “In addition, sufficient funds were set aside to complete ongoing projects initiated for the welfare of minorities in financial year 2015-16.”

http://tribune.com.pk/story/1130702/safeguarding-rights-rs90m-allocated-renovation-religious-places/

I think to highlight this, you should make initiate a thread so it gets the desired visibility.

 

[Musafir117]

Taliban Khan at work once again

PESHAWAR: At least Rs90 million has been allocated by the provincial government for the renovation of temples, churches and gurdwaras.

“Stipends, textbooks and free uniform will also be provided to student of minority communities,” the document stated. “In addition, sufficient funds were set aside to complete ongoing projects initiated for the welfare of minorities in financial year 2015-16.”

http://tribune.com.pk/story/1130702/safeguarding-rights-rs90m-allocated-renovation-religious-places/

Why he chose that particular madrasah? There dozens also under various religious groups?

 

[Imad.Khan]

I have a question for everyone here, keeping in mind that there are 2.2 million children studying in madrases. What should a govt do to make sure they don't get in-doctrined by fanaticism and they become part of the main stream.

 

[niaz]

I have a question for everyone here, keeping in mind that there are 2.2 million children studying in madrases. What should a govt do to make sure they don't get in-doctrined by fanaticism and they become part of the main stream.

Honourable Sir,

Such statements insult my intelligence. The grant in question is not for all the madrassahs but to the one particularly known as nursery of the terrorists.

A sincere effort for the reform of the madrassah education would be:

1. Register all the madrassahs and record who teaches there and who the students are. Something every school governing body normally does.

2. Appoint a board of governors with at least a couple of members nominated by the provincial Education Authority.

3. Have uniform curriculum. It could be separate for Deobandi, Braelivi, Ahle Hadith and the Shias.

4. Text books for all the madrasahs to be approved by the provincial Education Authority.


All the institutions who agree to the above terms then receive gov’t grant in proportion to the number of students enrolled. This is certainly not the case here.

Here one particular institution, whose link with Taliban is as clear as day light is being rewarded for his pro-Taliban stance by the Taliban Khan with only a promise but with any details or the guarantee that reforms if any will be carried.

Links of Sami ul Haq with Taliban & the terrorists are well-known. Ali Haider Gilani in his interview to BBC that Sami ul Haq was the go between during negotiations of his release.

No wonder Taliban nominated Imran Khan & Sami ul Haq to be their spokesmen.

Since you have so much concern about education of madrassah children, please don't ignore children of other schools. The following from an article published today in the News illustrates hypocrisy of the Taliban Khan & PTI KPK gov't.

Quote
Moreover, the urgency passionately expressed in public statements contrasts sharply with the glacial pace of rehabilitation. In the past two years, the provincial government has only expended Rs174.57 million or just 4.7 percent of funds for the 760 schools. The government’s broken promises are forcing hundreds of thousands of school-going children – survivors of the devastating 2005 earthquake – to study in makeshift schools.

Instead of augmenting resources and expediting the reconstruction of public schools destroyed by earthquakes, floods or militancy, the provincial government has inexplicably allocated Rs300 million for “constructing and rehabilitating” the Darul Uloom Haqqania in Akora Khattak. The use of taxpayers’ monies for a madressah with known links with extremist groups defies both logic and the National Action Plan (NAP).

Unquote.

The full article can be read at http://www.thenews.com.pk/print/131163-KP-budget-broken-promises

But I repeat Imran Khan is an angel and can do no wrong

 

[iPhone]

This is a slap in the face of all of Pakistan by Taliban Khan. A slap in the face of all victims of the murderous group known as ttp. I don't know how the PTI supporters on this site can still in good faith stand by this man.

On this site we have lashed out against the terrorist group ttp. A vast majority of the Pakistani members here have a leaning towards the PTI. How can they possibly support IK if he publicly acknowledges having a soft corner for this terrorist group and is now forwarding taxpayers money to ttp hell pit suicide bomber making factory.

 

[niaz]

This is a slap in the face of all of Pakistan by Taliban Khan. A slap in the face of all victims of the murderous group known as ttp. I don't know how the PTI supporters on this site can still in good faith stand by this man.

On this site we have lashed out against the terrorist group ttp. A vast majority of the Pakistani members here have a leaning towards the PTI. How can they possibly support IK if he publicly acknowledges having a soft corner for this terrorist group and is now forwarding taxpayers money to ttp hell pit suicide bomber making factory.

Mark Antony in "Julius Caesar" by Shakespeare keeps repeating “But Marcus Brutus is an honourable man”. The same applies to Imran Khan only that Mark Antony was being sarcastic but PTI followers really believe that Imran is an honourable man.