Damage report 2012 PAF Saab Erieye Awacs

[Zarvan]

By this logic, all car mechanics doing denting painting should be able to design and manufacture automobiles including engines, electronic components, computers and their software.

One Jet we built was totally destroyed it was key that there one one big hole and that hole was repaired. We pretty much made body parts in Pakistan and rebuilt the Jet

 

[Safriz]

By this logic, all car mechanics doing denting painting should be able to design and manufacture automobiles including engines, electronic components, computers and their software.

Btw many car mechanics actually do that and sell cars manufactured by them, which are a combination of self made parts and off the shelf parts.

 

[Sine Nomine]

Bhai you joined the forum in 2014.
Many of us were here sitting in front of the TV watching live transmission of Kamra attack and discussing every possibility and eventuality.
There is a thousand page thread on the matter, if you go through the pages , you will find news reports saying the same that sentries didn't have bullets to fight terrorists.
In those days even FC Balochistan had one gun per two persons and they were supposed to fight BLA.

Plus Zardari started robbing the Air force budget as soon as he came to power in 2008. In 2012 it was fourth consecutive year of air force getting just 60% budget and 40% not getting released by MOD.
More than 50% of armed forces budget goes into paying wages. Then the rest is for buying essentials such as fuel for the planes and spares and then comes ammunition for the sentries.
So yes there was no money left.

I came on forum in 2014 not in the world.I don't from where you have got these things to claim but none the less,Pakistan had plenty of Guns and ammo and if you count that,we have got enough small arms to raise force large as PA almost 4 to 5 times.Ammo isn't produced yearly.
PAF did went through budget issues from 2008 to 2013 but sitution wasn't as you are saying.

 

[Safriz]

Do remember one thing. Any critical useful technology you get in future which India lacks and considers it a serious threat than get ready to protect that asset/technology 24x7

I came on forum in 2014 not in the world.I don't from where you have got these things to claim but none the less,Pakistan had plenty of Guns and ammo and if you count that,we have got enough small arms to raise force large as PA almost 4 to 5 times.Ammo isn't produced yearly.
PAF did went through budget issues from 2008 to 2013 but sitution wasn't as you are saying.

Those are your assumptions. But after 4 years of no funding, no force in the world can sustain fire power.

 

[Sine Nomine]

Those are your assumptions. But after 4 years of no funding, no force in the world can sustain fire power.

I don't know from where you got info but i want to make it clear to you that,there is no shortage of small arms and ammo in Pakistan.Even District Police has got million+ rounds and they don't fire it around the year, a huge reserve from good days is saved for bad days.Whosoever told you 1 gun for 2 men and half mag of ammo, story he just either joked with your or fooled you.
PERIOD.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

It must be remembered forever that AWACS and P3s were deliberately targeted.

We should've made an example out of those responsible for the catastrophic security failure which led to the destruction of four precious aircraft in Mehran base and Kamra. But as usual, no heads rolled as far as I remember.

One head rolled.

There was mutiny within the military for the first time since the 1971 war and the traitor Army Chief General Pervez Musharraf was forced to resign and sent to exile.

But yes, not good enough.

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

Those are your assumptions. But after 4 years of no funding, no force in the world can sustain fire power.

Yes?

 

[Safriz]

I don't from where you got info but i want to make it clear to you that,there is no shortage of small arms and ammo in Pakistan.Even District Police has got a million+ rounds and they don't fire it around the year, a huge reserve from good days is saved for bad days.Whosoever told you 1 gun for 2 men and half mag of ammo, story he just either joked with your or fooled you.
PERIOD.

You are forgetting that since 2010 there was a lot of consumption of ammunition during WOT and military has a higher use of ammunition compared to police as military keeps practicing....

Btw just to fix your assumption, here are examples from other countries where military has actually run out of ammo..
https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/af...mo-and-morale-in-fight-against-islamic-state/

https://aviationweek.com/british-army-suffers-ammo-shortages-combat

 

[Thorough Pro]

so why did PAF bought three additional instead of building it themselves?
Are you really that naive?


parts like engines

Btw many car mechanics actually do that and sell cars manufactured by them, which are a combination of self made parts and off the shelf parts.

One Jet we built was totally destroyed it was key that there one one big hole and that hole was repaired. We pretty much made body parts in Pakistan and rebuilt the Jet

 

[Haris Ali2140]

so why did PAF bought three additional instead of building it themselves?
Are you really that naive?


parts like engines

We bought just the radars, fitting will be done by PAF themselves.

 

[Thorough Pro]

No, we bought three additional planes too

We bought just the radars, fitting will be done by PAF themselves.

 

[Haris Ali2140]

No, we bought three additional planes too

Yes but still other work will be dobe by PAF.

 

[Thorough Pro]

Whats's your point?
Putting ready-made things together following OEM manuals does not equal making things on your own.
A mechanic can take out dents and paint your car or even replace some parts, but that does not mean he is capable of designing and building the whole car from scratch. Why can't you people understand the difference?
Even PSMC who is assembling cars since 1984 and working directly with SMC Japan is not capable of designing or manufacturing an 800 cc engine.

Yes but still other work will be dobe by PAF.

Whats's your point?
Putting ready-made things together following OEM manuals does not equal making things on your own.
A mechanic can take out dents and paint your car or even replace some parts, but that does not mean he is capable of designing and building the whole car from scratch. Why can't you people understand the difference?
Even PSMC who is assembling cars since 1984 and working directly with SMC Japan is not capable of designing or manufacturing an 800 cc engine.