Could Su-35S Deal Edge Out Rafale in India?

[Dr Gupta]

Rafale has SPECTRA which is what India really wants.
can the Su-35s go into Pakistan or China by it's self??? facing off against theHQ-9/S-300??
Su-35 is a giant target waiting to be blown out of the sky by soviet/chinese SAMs

That is not accurate the SU-35 has new composites used so the RCS would be far lower to other versions

 

[C130]

That is not accurate the SU-35 has new composites used so the RCS would be far lower to other versions

what about composites? composites just make the plane lighter and stronger right
doesn't the SU-30 use a good junk of composites as well?

 

[Dr Gupta]

what about composites? composites just make the plane lighter and stronger right
doesn't the SU-30 use a good junk of composites as well?

Composites used some of which are top secret to each country can lower the RCS of a fighter, the SU35 also has a increased service life to 6,000 hours, 30 years of operation. India has quite a advanced composite industry of it's own due to the LCA program and it sells composite materials to Israel also.

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I think that is why there is much cyber activity going on to steal data

 

[C130]

i doubt it would lower the RCS to a significant amount.

 

[Dr Gupta]

i doubt it would lower the RCS to a significant amount.

The best design of a stealth fighter is for it to be designed from the ground up as well as using advanced composites and the only true stealth fighter is the F22 nothing else can match it right now. SU35 can not change the airframe so it is limited in this respect but it still is a top 4++ gen fighter which would be cheaper to own compared to the Rafale.

 

[C130]

The best design of a stealth fighter is for it to be designed from the ground up as well as using advanced composites and the only true stealth fighter is the F22 nothing else can match it right now. SU35 can not change the airframe so it is limited in this respect but it still is a top 4++ gen fighter which would be cheaper to own compared to the Rafale.

cheaper to own?? the initial cost for the Su-35S would be cheaper, but overall lifetime cost would it be cheaper???

 

[ArsalanKhan21]

The Indians were offered Mig-35 in MRCA and now they are interested in Su-35. At one point last month it was more Su-30 MKI. Looks like Indians in panic mode as Rafale deal may fail.

 

[Dr Gupta]

cheaper to own?? the initial cost for the Su-35S would be cheaper, but overall lifetime cost would it be cheaper???

I think India would not buy the SU35 but rather upgrade the MKI version which it builds under license from the production of raw materials to the final plane assembly, plus India already has the infrastructure and the know how.

 

[ArsalanKhan21]

Obsessed about India...or frustrate....that countries who took military aid couldn't afford these jets...?

Pakistan paid for its F-16s nothing is free in this world including military aid.

 

[Bornubus]

Pakistan paid for its F-16s nothing is free in this world including military aid.

I never mentioned Pakistan...but since you mentioned

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[ptldM3]

Rafale has SPECTRA which is what India really wants.
can the Su-35s go into Pakistan or China by it's self??? facing off against theHQ-9/S-300??
Su-35 is a giant target waiting to be blown out of the sky by soviet/chinese SAMs

By this logic the F-15 is also a giant target, as for SPECTRA or the SU-35 EW suit, you know nothing about either or how either would perform.

 

[C130]

By this logic the F-15 is also a giant target, as for SPECTRA or the SU-35 EW suit, you know nothing about either or how either would perform.

F-15 was designed to compete against the Mig-25 both have a high RCS.

what we are talking is the Rafale which has a small RCS and the Typhoon as well has a small RCS compared to those fighters.


guess you could throw in the Super Hornert too.

 

[ptldM3]

F-15 was designed to compete against the Mig-25 both have a high RCS.

It's obvious you have not head of the F-15 strike eagle. It's main role is to penetrate deep into enemy held territory and destroy ground targets including SAMs.

what we are talking is the Rafale which has a small RCS and the Typhoon as well has a small RCS compared to those fighters.

Those RCS figures are only useful for the forward hemisphere and mostly in a clean configuration. Both the Rafale and Typhoon have 90 degree corners they can not hide from radars....period, not to mention in a combat configuration those aircraft will be equipped with pylons that hold external fuel tanks and ordinance, this will increase their RCS even further .

 

[C130]

It's obvious you have not head of the F-15 strike eagle. It's main role is to penetrate deep into enemy held territory and destroy ground targets including SAMs.







Those RCS figures are only useful for the forward hemisphere and mostly in a clean configuration. Both the Rafale and Typhoon have 90 degree corners they can not hide from radars....period, not to mention in a combat configuration those aircraft will be equipped with pylons that hold external fuel tanks and ordinance, this will increase their RCS even further .

you didn't say strike eagle now did you?

 

[ptldM3]

you didn't say strike eagle now did you?

What difference does it make? It's still and F-15.