Controversial anti-Islam adverts to run on New York buses

[TankMan]

British Muslim have to do so or otherwise they will be isolated and future is not good also .... And what happen after issued fatwa ??? they change??? no ... Still i don't understand whats the use of issue fatwa while nobody believe it ...

]British Muslim have to do so or otherwise they will be isolated and future

What? What do you mean by that? They are protesting because THEY WANT TO. There is no pressure on them, they don't "have to do so". WE HATE ISIS for killing innocents and spoiling our name. There is no other reason. And how can someone be isolated for NOT protesting?? You make absolutely zero sense.

And what happen after issued fatwa ??? they change??? no ... Still i don't understand whats the use of issue fatwa while nobody believe it .

My point EXACTLY. Read my post again. I said:

"Protest can affect countries like the US and Israel which claim to be democratic but criminals don't care who says what,they will continue being criminals."

Criminals like ISIS, Al Qaeda, TTP etc make it pretty clear that they don't care who says what, they will continue to do bad shit until someone takes military action against them.

The point of issuing Fatwa is to prevent others from joining ISIS. Even if they don't listen, atleast we tried, no? If no Muslim had issued such fatwas, all of you would be screaming "all Muslims are Terrorist sympathizers!!".

 

[asq]

First thing first, I grew up in an area where Muslims are in majority so I know many in and out. If I can quote you hundreds of good deeds by Muslims then Thousands of Ill-deeds not only against my country but against all regions. Now, second thing hypocrisy is evident by Muslims everywhere and let me say specially in "South Asia".
Now, I am quoting few examples before you jump to conclude me as Islamophobic. When there were riots in Burma(or Myanmar), It was articles with propaganda and sympathy which were spread across in South Asia. Forget about who control Press. There were so hellbent Muslims those protest days in each and every city. How many do we have when ISIL started or against Al Qaeda? In fact, Many consider OBL and Saddam as hero who are the reasons of dead people. You come and protest only when Islam is victim but sit and relax when it is other community. All force of Pakistan could not remove Blasphemy Law so don't tell me Muslims do protest for others. When One Babri Maosque gets demolished then you break thousands of temples across Pakistan/BD but when the same happens in Pak/BD, How many of you come to save?

Just to quote another example, In Saharanpur, India, Muslims lost case against Sikh's Gurudwara and when Sikhs started building wall, Muslims started riots. Still this was not highlighted, Godhra is done by Muslims not protested but Gujrat riots comes in every second line of Muslims. Come out of Hypocrisy then we will talk.

At the end, This whole two nation theory was some Muslim's hypocrisy? isn't it? When Religious organization protested and told it as against Islam but then it was designed by Mr Jinnah, who himself was not righteous Muslim, and then declare Pakistan as "Secular". Look rationally. Things will change for Muslims (Islam has nothing to do here).

You have such hatred against Muslims that you become blinded with it, you overlook the killings of Muslims in Burma for no reason at all but for your concocted reasons you put up rioting by Muslims,

killings in Gujarat for no reason at all, dude that act is called ethnic cleansing.

godhra riot have been blamed on Muslims that was a ploy to blame Muslims and start rioting against Muslims to start killing them, . let me put up an excerpt from your judges here from a site called

India Godhra train blaze verdict: 31 convicted

It said he showed "discriminatory attitude by not visiting riot-affected areas in Ahmedabad where a large number of Muslims were killed," according to Tehelka magazine and AFP news agency.

The inquiry commission's findings contradicted an earlier probe by retired Supreme Court judge Umesh Chandra Banerjee, who found that the coach fire was not deliberately started.

He concluded in 2005 that the fire began by accident.

Read it and than stop you false propaganda against Muslims in India, that is why there are riots because of likes of you who falsify facts...

He said there was evidence to suggest the blaze began inside the train and that it was not fire-bombed.

Now about al Qaida dude, pakistan is the only country who captured many Al-Qaida and that why Guantanamo exists, Dude. once again in Kitmo's most of the prisoners were captured by Pakistan, Dude.

About OBL, dude you think that Pakistan Army was not aware of heli flying into Pakistan, Dude, not only that he was traced by the details id cell phone provided, you are clueless dude. About attacks on Twin towers Muslim leading institute in Egypt has condemn it due, but media like to keep it hidden so that they can keep blaming like you, Dude. Imam of Mecca also condemned it dude, but like of you keep it from showing so that they can continue to insult Muslims. Dude.

OBL was not fighting for Islam, it was an Arab fighting for what he thought was about oppression and killings of Arabs in Holy land. Dude. it has also been condemned by many scholars of Islam. dude, but it is not reported just like false report of 10 Million dollars given to Pakistan and most think it was a free money, no dude, and the one who insultingly put up this question was a Indian working for CNN, of all the others he was the one who got his *** kicked by Musharraf, listen and learn, but most of all stop false propaganda and stop spinning, here it is.dude.

 

[VCheng]

Hey look @Akheilos the same freedom at work, but may be you will like this one more?

Subway ads highlight Modi's Human Rights record ahead of US visit.

 

[Pride]

You have such hatred against Muslims that you become blinded with it, you overlook the killings of Muslims in Burma for no reason at all but for your concocted reasons you put up rioting by Muslims,

killings in Gujarat for no reason at all, dude that act is called ethnic cleansing.


godhra riot have been blamed on Muslims that was a ploy to blame Muslims and start rioting against Muslims to start killing them, . let me put up an excerpt from your judges here from a site called
India Godhra train blaze verdict: 31 convicted

It said he showed "discriminatory attitude by not visiting riot-affected areas in Ahmedabad where a large number of Muslims were killed," according to Tehelka magazine and AFP news agency.

The inquiry commission's findings contradicted an earlier probe by retired Supreme Court judge Umesh Chandra Banerjee, who found that the coach fire was not deliberately started.

He concluded in 2005 that the fire began by accident.

Read it and than stop you false propaganda against Muslims in India, that is why there are riots because of likes of you who falsify facts...

He said there was evidence to suggest the blaze began inside the train and that it was not fire-bombed.

This is what I mentioned in earlier post which "of course" you missed to read and understand. I don't have hatred for all Muslims and can't be when I follow Sufism but whatever works your way, I am not here to influence anyone.

Godhara Riots were started by Muslim Cleric named Maulvi Husain Haji Ibrahim Umarji along with 1000-2000 followers. Don't you see a discrepancy when only those Bogeys were fired where Karsevaks were there returning from Ayodhya.

The report you mentioned was done Pseudo-Secular Congress govt with an intent and hence reject. Similar thing happened with Gujarat's Mr Shah probe. Supreme Court looked the points from Nanavati commission and convicted 31 people and not surprisingly Muslims. You may call it again conspiracy against Muslims but again logic remains logic.

Also, 790 killed Muslims are ethnic cleansing? Seriously? Also, which saw 254 Hindus (+59 in Godhra). You may call it Ethnic Cleansing but let me tell you what is ethnic cleansing, ISIL Killing Shia/Kurds, Pakistanis Killing Bangladeshis in 1971, Saddam Hussain killing Thousands of Kurds in 70s, Diminishing Hindus/Ahmediyas/Shias/Christian in Pakistan etc and not 800 people.

Propaganda is not what Supreme Court believes in but people like you believe in.

Now about al Qaida dude, pakistan is the only country who captured many Al-Qaida and that why Guantanamo exists, Dude. once again in Kitmo's most of the prisoners were captured by Pakistan, Dude.

About OBL, dude you think that Pakistan Army was not aware of heli flying into Pakistan, Dude, not only that he was traced by the details id cell phone provided, you are clueless dude. About attacks on Twin towers Muslim leading institute in Egypt has condemn it due, but media like to keep it hidden so that they can keep blaming like you, Dude. Imam of Mecca also condemned it dude, but like of you keep it from showing so that they can continue to insult Muslims. Dude.

OBL was not fighting for Islam, it was an Arab fighting for what he thought was about oppression and killings of Arabs in Holy land. Dude. it has also been condemned by many scholars of Islam. dude, but it is not reported just like false report of 10 Million dollars given to Pakistan and most think it was a free money, no dude, and the one who insultingly put up this question was a Indian working for CNN, of all the others he was the one who got his *** kicked by Musharraf, listen and learn, but most of all stop false propaganda and stop spinning, here it is.dude.

Be it Al Qaeda, TTP, JKLF, Mumbai Attack etc everything has wire in one country and that is Pakistan. Don't you know or think why they get their source from one country? It is affiliation and love for Rogue religious member because it is against other religion. If people in Pakistan are as sincere as you are mentioning then why don't they go ahead and protest against them.

OBL was given shelter by Pakistani people (+ Army) because he was treated as hero silently like Saddam Hussain. Don't you think a world known terrorist staying in Military area and Army will not aware of it. Rest all were diplomacy.

Muslims from India/Pakistan are joining ISIL because they believe in ideology which may be so fallacious but you can simply say it is again Un-islamic and move on. But somewhere rather than others, Muslims need to raise voice against them like when they do for Palestine which again never was country. Hypocrisy!

My comment doesn't matter here the most important important thing matter is the voice of Muslims against Rogue-Muslims and extremism. You chose selective point to refute which is quite evident.

 

[Pride]

I grew up around alot of Westerner people and let me tell you the same can be said....Just the other day I was telling my German pastor friend the same (hypocrisy in people in Europe) and he told me "his words":
Well that is humans without faith


Define many....how many Muslims do you know personally who do?

5, 10, 20, 200 can they be a representative of a million plus?

Yes, Faith is problematic but Hindus/Buddhists/Christians etc (excluding Jews) never go shouting whole world that Islam is killing our religion. Though Muslims do and they made it Jihad. Take Palestine, Most of the Muslims don't actually understand issues but as it is against Jews and they have their interpretation of Holy Quran so they just start hating while these human right activist goes silent if same thing happens to Kurds or Kurdistan.

Are we playing statistical game? Do you think you really know Islam/Muslims then tell me how many you met or who made you to represent? I am just quoting from my experience not only from India but South Africa, USA and Canada. Not to mention 5 years of Defence.pk .

1) relax? Who is relaxing? South Asians maybe....But mind you many do voice out loud and clear let me give you a latest one since you have already missed the previous ones:

This guy is a known scholar and this is what he wrote:

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If you do your homework you can find others!

One or two examples are like playing good cop bad cop technique. One cleric said, Now lets go and relax at home but wait, It was Hindus who destroyed Babri Mosque lets all go and do riot every where or it was Buddhists so lets go an rampage and fill social media with photoshop images. Understand the difference.

2) You are comparing about Blasphemy law in a country which till date couldnt get rid of 2 termites called VIP protocol and Feudal system which are eating basic rights? When that awareness comes than only one can demand the to be aware of others' rights!

Well, The one is your internal problem and another is religious oppression. Tomorrow, there can be Jaziya Tax like Mughal empire time and you may give an excuse for the same. Still, people of Pakistan are there to raise fingers quickly for Hindus in India even for smaller issues.

YET we have hundreds of temples in Pakistan which are ancient enough to claim that your media has supplied you with enough rubbish you can exaggerate the demolishing of temples...

Who said there are not? but Did you mention how many temples were broken in 1992 and rebuild after that? or why there are of minorities' population dropping in Pakistan ?

Well those are Indians....try not to compare every Muslim to your backyard Indians that shows your narrow mindedness...there are millions of us from different backgrounds not everyone is with the same mentality as you...



And here we see your mentality stuck in India...when you get out of there then talk!

Thank you!

Again, skipping main issues stating those are Indians. We two people sitting in Canada talking about Religious issues which is beyond boundaries. Those are Indians and Muslims. Aren't you becoming selective on Ummah?

Once you come out of your narrow mentality of "Islam is in Danger" then I think we can lot better rationally because Muslims alone can't decide what is right for the world and everyone has to follow the same.

 

[asq]

This is what I mentioned in earlier post which "of course" you missed to read and understand. I don't have hatred for all Muslims and can't be when I follow Sufism but whatever works your way, I am not here to influence anyone.

Godhara Riots were started by Muslim Cleric named Maulvi Husain Haji Ibrahim Umarji along with 1000-2000 followers. Don't you see a discrepancy when only those Bogeys were fired where Karsevaks were there returning from Ayodhya.

The report you mentioned was done Pseudo-Secular Congress govt with an intent and hence reject. Similar thing happened with Gujarat's Mr Shah probe. Supreme Court looked the points from Nanavati commission and convicted 31 people and not surprisingly Muslims. You may call it again conspiracy against Muslims but again logic remains logic.

Also, 790 killed Muslims are ethnic cleansing? Seriously? Also, which saw 254 Hindus (+59 in Godhra). You may call it Ethnic Cleansing but let me tell you what is ethnic cleansing, ISIL Killing Shia/Kurds, Pakistanis Killing Bangladeshis in 1971, Saddam Hussain killing Thousands of Kurds in 70s, Diminishing Hindus/Ahmediyas/Shias/Christian in Pakistan etc and not 800 people.

Propaganda is not what Supreme Court believes in but people like you believe in.

Be it Al Qaeda, TTP, JKLF, Mumbai Attack etc everything has wire in one country and that is Pakistan. Don't you know or think why they get their source from one country? It is affiliation and love for Rogue religious member because it is against other religion. If people in Pakistan are as sincere as you are mentioning then why don't they go ahead and protest against them.

OBL was given shelter by Pakistani people (+ Army) because he was treated as hero silently like Saddam Hussain. Don't you think a world known terrorist staying in Military area and Army will not aware of it. Rest all were diplomacy.

Muslims from India/Pakistan are joining ISIL because they believe in ideology which may be so fallacious but you can simply say it is again Un-islamic and move on. But somewhere rather than others, Muslims need to raise voice against them like when they do for Palestine which again never was country. Hypocrisy!

My comment doesn't matter here the most important important thing matter is the voice of Muslims against Rogue-Muslims and extremism. You chose selective point to refute which is quite evident.

So now you disagree wish your own judiciary, what a spin master, when it comes to Pakistan you say how come no one listen to judges, but when it come to you, you disagree with judges, what a hypocrisy, not only that you blame your biggest and oldest and the party which free India, as a extremist Hindu you call it pseudo party and disagree with findings of judicatory, we know that there has been riots over 500 ever since Pakistan separated from you guys, that is the reason Mohammed Ali Jinnah got us Pakistan.

you are blaming Muslims in every instance shows a conspiracy by Muslims, what a grand conspiracy in your opinion, what an extremist thought..

All those that you talked about is a night mare for you and a creation of your doubting mind, TTP has never done anything in your country, fact is that they are killing our innocents and we are and we will take care of them, have you not seen al;ready in news, but hasn't you read new in a strange way and find in them to blame Pakistan,, already our Army has given them a bloody face and will finish them soon,

JKLE what the hell are you talking about, about Bombay attacks, ther guy was you citizen as it was proved by our patriotic tv when recently this tv went to the village asking about this crazy guy, all resident of that village passionately aid that he does not belong to their village, We have a TV who is on the take and they hired some actors and took them to the outskirt of that village and had they read the script. watch a video of your own about this guy abu jandal and his residance in Maharashtra.

Watch: Abu Jundal's house in Maharashtra

so stop blaming Pakistan, and associating this with Pakistan, your Muslims population is very upset with the riots against them andthey rebel and take revenge, si do not mention this again , all you guys keep repeating the same question about Bonmbay and I have answered it more than 10 times,. so stop this nonsense.

 

[Mugwop]

The adverts are condemning the violence being perpetrated by ISIL, nothing else, and certainly not inciting it.

The people behind these adverts are renowned Islamaphobes named pamela and robert. The adverts say defeat Jihad and support israel?? Israel has beef with Hamas and ISIL is in Iraq. Jihad means to struggle against injustice,Jihadist and Jihadi are a corruption of the word Jihad. Let's suppose even if these adverts are condemning violence by ISIL don't you think their reasoning is stupid.

 

[Dubious]

Hey look @Akheilos the same freedom at work, but may be you will like this one more?

Subway ads highlight Modi's Human Rights record ahead of US visit.

Its not about me liking it or not but if "YOU" support 1 then I am sure you support that one!

 

[Dubious]

Yes, Faith is problematic but Hindus/Buddhists/Christians etc (excluding Jews) never go shouting whole world that Islam is killing our religion. Though Muslims do and they made it Jihad. Take Palestine, Most of the Muslims don't actually understand issues but as it is against Jews and they have their interpretation of Holy Quran so they just start hating while these human right activist goes silent if same thing happens to Kurds or Kurdistan.

I beg your pardon?! You are trying to say everyone is as narrow minded as you are...

And you are linking 2 things: Islam and the plight of the Palestinians...Maybe you are not from a war torn country who has been attacked repeatedly over a number of decades, whose rights have been stripped whose imports and exports are monitored by a country with latest technologies ...whose kids get kidnapped or bombed just for playing on the beach...

Go carry "YOUR" blind hatred elsewhere!


You picked up Palestine and want to compare it with human activists which mind you are very diverse and not just made up of Muslims or Palestinians....

Sorry to say but this was really a below the belt attempt!

Are we playing statistical game? Do you think you really know Islam/Muslims then tell me how many you met or who made you to represent? I am just quoting from my experience not only from India but South Africa, USA and Canada. Not to mention 5 years of Defence.pk .

This would have impressed me "A LITTLE" but the min you think defence.pk is a representative of the world I know how far you can stretch....

As for how well do I know Muslims/ Islam, I born into the the religion but was not satisfied when people couldnt answer me so I learnt the religion not just lived off hearsay....nor of misinformation...

As for you experiences in different countries it may count for something if you actually went out of a certain community....

Where did I get my experiences from 15 countries...which include secular as well as sultanates....I think that would count for more variety than 4 countries where you keep bringing in India in every situation or what Indian Muslims do shows how much exposure you have and how deep...

One or two examples are like playing good cop bad cop technique. One cleric said, Now lets go and relax at home but wait, It was Hindus who destroyed Babri Mosque lets all go and do riot every where or it was Buddhists so lets go an rampage and fill social media with photoshop images. Understand the difference.

I am sorry for your poor command of the English language but I cant help you if that is the case because I clearly wrote:

.But mind you many do voice out loud and clear let me give you a latest one since you have already missed the previous ones:

As for your cry coming back to Hindu and Babri masjid it was not I who brought it up nor did I ever intend to bring it into the conversation while you are throwing in everything you have....

As for the Buddhists they did slaughter Muslims (no one can deny it and denying it is just living in denial) they also forced in a law whereby intermarriages between the Muslims are barred....of course lets overlook it and ignore it (as I did in my previous reply to you)...I am guessing you have not been able to get out of what happens in India situation....Well, if you claim to have traveled to those countries...you will notice not everything is like what happened in India....so snap out already!

Well, The one is your internal problem and another is religious oppression. Tomorrow, there can be Jaziya Tax like Mughal empire time and you may give an excuse for the same. Still, people of Pakistan are there to raise fingers quickly for Hindus in India even for smaller issues.

I seriously cant say much with your obsession with Indian, Hindus vs Pakistanis and their lives!

You have gone from sounding sane to obsessed...why do I say that? You clearly know it is our internal problem yet you want to compare it with Mughal empire and Hindus in India (again you havent snapped out of the phenomena not everything is India)

Who said there are not? but Did you mention how many temples were broken in 1992 and rebuild after that? or why there are of minorities' population dropping in Pakistan ?

Even some Masjids were broken if they were in the way of development....and if you know that the temples were rebuilt I dont see the reasons for your crocodile tears....

As for the minorities dropping out...it falls under our internal problem again and is not confined to a different religion but also within Islam and its sects....I notice you are dragging what happens in NY to bashing Islam or Pakistan whichever you can get your hands on...

Again, skipping main issues stating those are Indians. We two people sitting in Canada talking about Religious issues which is beyond boundaries. Those are Indians and Muslims. Aren't you becoming selective on Ummah?

I dont need to be selective if a certain selection themselves want to be different...or clones of each other only...

Once you come out of your narrow mentality of "Islam is in Danger" then I think we can lot better rationally because Muslims alone can't decide what is right for the world and everyone has to follow the same.

I am no one to decide but giving my opinion as what this website is for....as for your attitude it def cant be approached coz you have made up your mind to treat ANY Muslim based on your experience back in India...this is apparent from all those words I highlighted in your 1 post alone!

 

[VCheng]

The people behind these adverts are renowned Islamaphobes named pamela and robert. The adverts say defeat Jihad and support israel?? Israel has beef with Hamas and ISIL is in Iraq. Jihad means to struggle against injustice,Jihadist and Jihadi are a corruption of the word Jihad. Let's suppose even if these adverts are condemning violence by ISIL don't you think their reasoning is stupid.

What you have said above is your personal opinion with which others have the right to disagree.

Its not about me liking it or not but if "YOU" support 1 then I am sure you support that one!

It is not about my liking either one. Freedom of expression works in many ways, and that is what is valuable.

 

[Dubious]

It is not about my liking either one. Freedom of expression works in many ways, and that is what is valuable.

absolute freedom without constrains is a corrupted version of freedom....

Everything in moderation within boundaries is acceptable when you overstep those is just stupidity at play!

 

[VCheng]

absolute freedom without constrains is a corrupted version of freedom....

Everything in moderation within boundaries is acceptable when you overstep those is just stupidity at play!

As I have explained many times before, there were lines in this case too, and not all adverts were allowed. Besides, it is for people here to decide what is an overstep or not in their own cities and not for anyone else.

 

[Dubious]

As I have explained many times before, there were lines in this case too, and not all adverts were allowed. Besides, it is for people here to decide what is an overstep or not in their own cities and not for anyone else.

pry do explain this one

The adverts say defeat Jihad and support israel??

Is it implying that Israel is killing kids and calling it defeating Jihad or something

 

[VCheng]

pry do explain this one

The Transit Authority has clear rules for what is allowed and what is not, and it follows all applicable city, state and federal laws for advertising. Not all adverts are accepted according to these rules.

 

[Dubious]