Cold fusion reactor verified by third-party researchers, seems to have 1 million times the energy de

[temp1994]

It is not absurd, merely useless as a feasible power source.



Of course other people are welcome to work on this topic and indeed they must be. Perhaps you would like to inform us of what others have achieved with such investigations? Surely many nations around the world would like to have access to such promising technology too, if it is indeed true.

Nah,

It is completely absurd.

The problem of investing more energy in the system than you could get out of it is problem of fusion reactors ie hot fusion reactors like those who work on Tokamak. It is an engineering problem that would be overcome very soon ( within a decade ).An experimental 500MW Multinational Tokamak reactor is being constructed in Tolun, France ( ITER ), and it would be finshed by 2019, start operating by 2020 and go critical in 2027.The goal of this reactor is to produce as much energy as it consumes. A commercial reactor DEMO is planned with goal of producing 50 times power than it consumes Goal of 2-4 GW. It would be finished by 2040, and would go critical in 2050.

So yes Fusion power is coming, but not in our lifetime.


The problem with cold Fusion is that it is scientifically impossible. There may be some odd cold fusion reaction due to quantum tunneling effect , if you wait for long enough, but not on statistically significant scale.

 

[Bilal.]

They have not been able to get more energy out of it than was put it it, which makes it useless as a power source.

That's exactly what the problem was with early fusion reactors(hot fusion) ask everyone to stop draining billions into that useless power source too.

 

[VCheng]

Nah,

It is completely absurd.

The problem of investing more energy in the system than you could get out of it is problem of fusion reactors ie hot fusion reactors like those who work on Tokamak. It is an engineering problem that would be overcpme very soon ( within a decade ).An experimental 500MW Multinational Tokamak reactor is being constructed in Tolun, France ( ITER ), and it would be finshed by 2019, start operating by 2020.The goal of this reactor is to produce as much energy as it consums. A commercial reactor DEMO is planned with goal of producing 50 times power than it consumes Goal of 2-4 GW. It would be finished by 2040.

So yes Fusion power is coming, but not in our lifetime.


The problem with cold Fusion is that it is scientifically impossible. There may be some odd cold fusion reaction due to quantum tunneling effect , if you wait for long but not on statistically significant scale.

Let me humor the believers a little bit, please.

That's exactly what the problem was with early fusion reactors(hot fusion) ask everyone to stop draining billions into that useless power source too.

Early fusion reactors? That is still the problem with ALL fusion reactors thus far.

 

[Bilal.]

Let me humor the believers a little bit, please.



Early fusion reactors? That is still the problem with ALL fusion reactors thus far.

Laser Fusion Energy Breakthrough - Breakeven Point Exceeded in Hydrogen Target

Break-even point was broken albeit for a small amount on a tiny time scale.

 

[VCheng]

Laser Fusion Energy Breakthrough - Breakeven Point Exceeded in Hydrogen Target

Break-even point was broken albeit for a small amount on a tiny time scale.

That was achieved years ago. Sustainability of the reaction is still the unsolved problem.

 

[Bilal.]

That was achieved years ago. Sustainability of the reaction is still the unsolved problem.

Read your post above, I was merely answering it. Anyways since your purpose is not a discussion but to "humour the believers" let's agree to disagree.

 

[VCheng]

Read your post above, I was merely answering it. Anyways since your purpose is not a discussion but to "humour the believers" let's agree to disagree.

Sure. I have no problem with that!

"Cold Fusion / LENR is the water powered car of physics." - S.A.H.

 

[Bilal.]

Sure. I have no problem with that!

"Cold Fusion / LENR is the water powered car of physics." - S.A.H. - Masters in Circular Debates

You forgot your specialty. Let me add it for you

 

[VCheng]

You forgot your specialty. Let me add it for you

Please do note that such childish comments will do nothing to make LENR more plausible.

 

[Bilal.]

Please do note that such childish comments will do nothing to make LENR more plausible.

Of course Your Royal Circularity

 

[The SC]

ECAT EU Patents still ongoing for 2013
The Italian Patent Office, Ufficio Italiano Brevetti e Marchi, granted a patent for the energy catalyzer on April 6, 2011, valid until April 9, 2028. Original Italian patent

The inventor is Andrea Rossi, while his wife Maddalena Pascucci is the patent owner.

The examination of the international patent application is now continuing in a regional and national phase, including assesment by the European Patent Office.

In addition, there is a parallel patent application for the US.

Abstract:
“A method and apparatus for carrying out highly efficient exothermal reaction between nickel and hydrogen atoms in a tube, preferably, though not necessary, a metal tube filled by a nickel powder and heated to a high temperature, preferably, though not necessary, from 150 to 5000C are herein disclosed. In the inventive apparatus, hydrogen is injected into the metal tube containing a highly pressurized nickel powder having a pressure, preferably though not necessarily, from 2 to 20 bars”.

In October 2010, the international patent application under PCT received a negative initial assessment in a so-called International Search Report made by the International Searching Authority, and a negativeInternational Preliminary Report on Patentability.

The criticisms include the problem that the patent application lacks detail in describing the technology. It is not clear if the patent means that the secret details of the energy catalyzer can be revealed.

“Now I have to think and, based on the effective patent protection, we can decide what to disclose,” Andrea Rossi told technology newspaper NyTeknik.

To follow the actual updates from the EU Patent office on ECAT, please visit this link.

Andrea Rossi Ecat Patent

 

[VCheng]

In October 2010, the international patent application under PCT received a negative initial assessment in a so-called International Search Report made by the International Searching Authority, and a negative International Preliminary Report on Patentability.

That says it all.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

That's exactly what the problem was with early fusion reactors(hot fusion) ask everyone to stop draining billions into that useless power source too.

Not gonna happen . Too dramatic, automatic nobel

 

[Audio]

Of course other people are welcome to work on this topic and indeed they must be. Perhaps you would like to inform us of what others have achieved with such investigations? Surely many nations around the world would like to have access to such promising technology too, if it is indeed true.

it is not on me to inform you of anything, except the fact that the standard you seem to be quoting, ie NASA isn't exactly be all and end all of experiments. If NASA says it isn't feasible, that does not mean they are correct. As proof of this i gave you NIST facility.

 

[Bilal.]

Not gonna happen . Too dramatic, automatic nobel

If certain members of this forum were on the deciding chair, would happen in a blink.