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Clashes in London after Lord Nazir calls for Kashmir's independence on Republic Day

Why do you people think state Politics is an all in or all out affair?

Its a territorial dispute not a religious one.

Highly ill advised to make it one.
And what happens when hypothetically, Kashmir is peacefully settled and India and China go to war? Will Pakistan have the same relations with India militarily like they have with China now? Will Pakistan remain neutral, keeping in mind the years we've been enemies and China has been an ally? In fact, will Pakistan side with India if it emerges that China was the aggressor? I doubt it.
I could say the same thing about India from the Pakistani perspective but I believe the Bangladesh incident proved that beyond any doubt.
 
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Why do you people think state Politics is an all in or all out affair?

Its a territorial dispute not a religious one.

Highly ill advised to make it one.
They have to make it religious to keep India united baba g..... just like revolution in other country in need Shia and Sunni divide
 
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lol , just wooow........ can you answer my question , Doc,,,,, When India become current India????? Doc history is great but only if you don't learn that from some temple in India........
India will fall ,,,,, just like past ,,,,,,,, let that time come ,,, may be in few years ......................... And sub-continental people don't need outsiders ................

In 1947, same as you guys.

Why will we guys fall, and you will keep standing?

I think you are calling me an outsider?

I consider all of you guys as the same people who gave us a place to call our own when we lost our ancestral land.

Cheers, Doc
 
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Sure...Kashmir is the only link that basically holding on to India to turning into complete Hindu nation...If Kashmir gets separaed in the name of religion, trust me, people like you will have very tough time in India...

After Kashmir there would need to be another partition where the remnant Muslims can migrate to Northern India and live in peace and live in an area called livefreeofhindustan.
 
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After Kashmir there would need to be another partition where the remnant Muslims can migrate to Northern India and live in peace and live in an area called livefreeofhindustan.
Are they not welcome in Pakistan anymore? Isn't that the whole reason for Pakistan?
 
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Prolly over the 10 bucks.

Kashmir is the only beef between Pakistan and India.
Yes, but which part of the beef? Rump, chuck , round or rib?

Are they not welcome in Pakistan anymore? Isn't that the whole reason for Pakistan?
They are not Pakistani so why would they want to move to Pakistan? But we would happily take them, all 300 million of them. Yes there are over 300 million of them. As Pakistan's population is 200 million and Indian Muslims outnumber us and based on exponential growth their population should be greater than 300 million.
 
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India still has lots to gain if it can come to the table and talk Kashmir with Pakistan.

Talks ,for what?

PDF is not entire world. In South Asia none dares to question India .
Some idiots in UK can do whatever they want .
But status quo will remain.
This is something majority Indians agree.
 
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And what happens when hypothetically, Kashmir is peacefully settled and India and China go to war? Will Pakistan have the same relations with India militarily like they have with China now? Will Pakistan remain neutral, keeping in mind the years we've been enemies and China has been an ally? In fact, will Pakistan side with India if it emerges that China was the aggressor? I doubt it.
I could say the same thing about India from the Pakistani perspective but I believe the Bangladesh incident proved that beyond any doubt.

Why so paranoid?

Indo Chinese Relations only has one dark spot of 1962. Apart from that India and China exists peacefully together.

I dont think China see India as a rival. They would rather focus on Business with India since they are merchants much like you guys.
 
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After Kashmir there would need to be another partition where the remnant Muslims can migrate to Northern India and live in peace and live in an area called livefreeofhindustan.

One such partition took place in 1971.
 
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They have to make it religious to keep India united baba g..... just like revolution in other country in need Shia and Sunni divide

If they end up making it religious than it will be ever so ironic for a secular borne country.

Not to mention that will take away one thing that keeps India united. Its Economy.
 
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Sure...Kashmir is the only link that basically holding on to India to turning into complete Hindu nation...If Kashmir gets separaed in the name of religion, trust me, people like you will have very tough time in India...
Loooooool
 
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Talks ,for what?

PDF is not entire world. In South Asia none dares to question India .
Some idiots in UK can do whatever they want .
But status quo will remain.
This is something majority Indians agree.

Ironically Status quo does more harm to you then good.

India is a regional heavyweight. Nobody denies that. Its your Paranoia that does not let you take the leap ahead.

The world is bigger than South Asia just so you know. For a country that boasts about isolating neighbours you have isolationalist tendencies.

Modis make in India slogan is 10 years too late.
 
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I was simply asking that frankly rhetorical question because of your "it may have started that way" to the Pakistani line (which no one buys) that Kashmir is the only issue between India and Pakistan., and solving Kashmir (of course, gifting it to Pakistan) is going to earn us a thousand years of peace.

Peace with Pakistan will only come when Pakistan can no longer wage war.

Till they can, they will.
I partially agree with you. One of the ways of achieving peace in sub-continent is dividing Pakistan into two or three parts without nuclear teeth and no ability to defend itself. Such country or countries will know their place and will avoid confrontation with the big brother in the region. Pretty much a couple of Bangladeshs on your western border.

Achieving this however is next to impossible right now without risk of turning the region into nuclear wasteland.

See the fact that we are enemies has something to do with Kashmir but that is not the only reason. We are a much smaller country compared to India which has aspirations to become a global power, and rightly so considering its size. So India wants to play the big brother part in the region for a start, it does not necessarily mean it wants to gobble up our lands, it just want us to align our strategic interests with it. For example we should give them access to Afghanistan and stop influencing that country and supporting the elements that are in conflict with Indian interests.

Now it seems only logical that as a smaller country we should actually do that and prosper. But here is the catch, the sole reason that we created a separate state for us was that we did not want to live under Hindu hegemony once the British left. Now accepting India as the big brother in the region will negate the very basis of our existence. We just can't accept it.

And because our population, size and above all economy is much smaller than India, we consider India as an existential threat. We are not an existential threat to you, just a nuisance if we don't take nukes into consideration.

The real danger to region is that as the Indian economy and global influence increase and the disparity between conventional forces of our two states increase further, we in Pakistan will start relying on unconventional means more and more. On the other hand, the urge to put pesky little Pakistan in its place in New Delhi will increase further. This is a dangerous combination.

So if we continue on the same path, there is a possibility that you'll be able to disarm us, not without a conflict though that I assure you. Or we will turn the South Asia into nuclear wasteland and blow your aspirations of becoming a global power in that mushroom along with ourselves of course.

The path to peace in the region, the way I see it, is if Pakistani economy improves dramatically. Let me explain how. Currently it is 8 times smaller to that of India, hence a 5 times smaller defense budget even when we spend a bigger percentage of our GDP on defense. There is potential in our economy to grow at a much higher pace than it currently is. If we attain double digit growth for a couple of decades we will be able to reduce the gap to a much more manageable 4 times. That is pretty much the difference between you and Chinese.

What this does is that it will change our stance against each other from enemy to rival. See the Dokalam episode, neither the Chinese nor the Indians wanted it to grow into a full fledged conflict. Their trade still flourish after that episode.

We will have a healthy defense budget and hence will rely less on unconventional means, and it will also make India less of an existential threat. India will start seeing us a rival, not that pesky little neighbor who should know its place and we will have peace in the region.

P.S There was a time after our two countries came into existence that we in Pakistan were ready to accept India as big brother and work with it. Yes even after 48 war and before we got into Seato and Cento we wanted to have mutual defense pact with India as we had problems with Chinese on our northern border just like Indians and we wanted to stay neutral in the cold war. But our diplomatic efforts were rebuked by Nehru by saying mutual defense against Whom, well he saw in 62 what we were talking about. This forced us to get into not a very favorable border agreement with China. Then hawks like Bhutto got into the mix and things went south.
 
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