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CIA sensed Bangladesh independence was inevitable.

Isn't it normal?By nature,guerrilla forces are secretive,they operate in shadow.It is very difficult even for CIA to know the plan program of Mukti Bahini.It is much more meaningful for US govt. to know what India was thinking,what Pakistan was doing,what China was planning,What Soviet was thinking.Because this things require US activism as a superpower.I am sure you will find the same pattern in case of Vietnam war.CIA had far more information and enthusiasm to collect information to share with US govt. about US military in South East Asia,Soviet or Chinese position in that conflict than Vietcong.

I acknowledge,Indian intervention acted as a catalyst for our rapid victory but there is no reason to believe that it was impossible without Indian involvement.

Still waiting on the full CIA report being referenced where the words "inevitable" were mentioned so we can get an idea of the context of the report.

it was in india's interest.... after all their arch enemy is pakistan... it's foolish not to throw a paw! so it's not a favor more like personal interest....


however giving refuge to the refugees is a very humane act which i appreciate india for doing!

I'm not going into the "intent" of India.

I'm establishing the fact that without India providing the level of arms, training and sanctuary for the MB fighters, BD had next to no chance of forming politically as the country we see today.

I'm not going into the refuge provided to fleeing civilians or the final direct military intervention at all.

I'm talking about the bread, butter (i.e guns and ammo) logistics supply given to the MB without which the MB could only rely on what they stole from the Pakistani forces (given BD is not a well armed nation per capita, never has been, never will be)...that throws up all projections into the air esp if India was simply a neutral blanket wrapped around the area.

As soon as the hypothetical scenario passes the length of a few years, predictions and "inevitability" get really murky given each and every independence war has its own unique circumstances and environment. Many have been brutally crushed (esp when they run out of revolutionary fervour and more importantly physical weaponry, supplies and sanctuary)....we dont really read about those given its never fun reading about Goliath prevailing over David....its what we always expect by default...so history passes over the myriad of such episodes.

So the CIA definitely would have predicted something very different if India and Pakistan were neutral or friendly or say only slight enemies/rivals to the point where India would not have been involved or involved in a way to support Pakistan. But that in itself probably would have meant the friction between W. and E. wings of Pakistan probably would have never occurred or been severely mitigated (i.e Pakistan would essentially probably have to be another fully secular country, not created so violently on the basis of religion out of British India with Urdu as the one national language etc etc). Its a bit of a chicken and the egg scenario.
 
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http://www.dhakatribune.com/bangladesh/2017/03/08/cia-sensed-bangladesh-independence-inevitable/
CIA sensed Bangladesh independence was inevitable

  • Probir Kumar Sarker
  • Published at 02:04 AM March 08, 2017
  • Last updated at 03:26 AM March 09, 2017

Flanked by party leaders, Bangabandhu holds a press conference at his Dhanmondi 32 residence in Dhaka on March 3, 1971 after ‘talks’ with Yahya Khan and Zulfikar Ali Bhutto failed RASHID TALUKDER / PHOTO SOURCE: MUKTIJUDDHO E-ARCHIVE TRUST


The CIA recently made available online several thousand documents on Bangladesh’s pre- and post-independence events. Today Dhaka Tribune publishes the CIA’s early predictions about East Pakistan’s emancipation and observations about the strength and weakness of an independent Bangladesh, the second of a series of exclusive stories
As the chances of East Pakistan getting separated from West Pakistan increased sharply following the December 1970 elections which reflected the people’s resistance against exploitation and dominance, the CIA observed in early March that Bangladesh’s future under the rule of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman’s Awami League would not be a smooth journey either.


The report stated that an independent East Pakistan would begin with some assets, notably in the political realm but also including an ethnically homogenous population.


But it would “face economic problems of staggering proportions because of its dearth of natural resources, its burgeoning population, and its lack of capital, economic infrastructure, and entrepreneurial and technical skills.”

The dominant agricultural sector – mostly dependent on jute – could make little headway unless flood waters were controlled, the CIA said, adding that the process would require considerable capital.

The intelligence memorandum “East Pakistan: An Independent Nation?” dated March 1, 1971 and published online in January this year gives a glimpse of erstwhile East Pakistan’s strength and limitations, from agriculture to industrial growth and poor condition of the Bangali army men.

The secret document was prepared by the Office of Current Intelligence and coordinated within the Directorate of Intelligence.

Pre-war East Pakistan:
• Population- around 73-75 million, with 90% living in rural areas
• Literacy rate 20%
• Average per capita income about $60 (far below that in West Pakistan and not much higher than the level in 1948)
• 4.3% engaged in small-scale manufacturing industry
• 45% of workforce in jute product manufacturing
• Agricultural sector mostly dependent on jute
• Flood, drought used to strike often
• Private investment 25% of national total
• Capital was in hands of a few wealthy families migrated from Pakistan, India and Myanmar
• Power shortages and frequent outages
• Until 1970, the country had only one gas field in Sylhet
• No easily exploitable coal fields
• Hydroelectric power possibilities were limited
• Rooppur nuclear plant was set to be constructed with the support of Belgium
• In 1965, there were 151 Bangalis in civil service out of 461
• In 1970, only 11 out of 53 Pakistani heads of missions were Bangalis

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Inspired by Bangabandhu’s historic speech on March 7, 1971, retired army personnel assembled at Outer Stadium in Dhaka to prepare for the Liberation War RASHID TALUKDER/ PHOTO SOURCE: MUKTIJUDDHO E-ARCHIVE TRUST

Economic situation

The rapid population growth was mentioned as the top economic factor in the report estimating the number of people to be 73-75 million in East Pakistan, a land area about the size of Florida or Arkansas, with 90% rural population and 20% literacy rate.

Based on a conservative growth rate, the CIA predicted that the population would be 115m in 1985 and 180m in 2000.


The average per capita income of East Pakistan was about $60, far below that in West Pakistan and not much higher than the level in 1948.

According to the 1961 census, only 4.3% of the East Pakistani labour force was engaged in manufacturing, almost entirely in small-scale industry.

Private enterprise was generally very inefficient in East Pakistan, where “numerous small, uneconomic shops produce similar products, using outdated methods and without sufficient capital for expansion,” the report said.


There had been little private investment in East Pakistan in comparison with the West wing, accounting to about 25% of the national total. Capital was largely in the hands of a few wealthy families who had migrated from Pakistan, India and Myanmar.


Much of the managerial class resident of East Pakistan was “composed of Urdu-speaking Muslim refugees [known as Biharis] from India, who have never been accepted by the Bangalis and who would probably move to West Pakistan if the East wing became independent.”

The CIA underscored the need for more workers with technical skills for the development of an independent East Pakistan.

Jute was the main cash crop at that time while 45% of the total industrial workforce was engaged in manufacturing jute products. But jute products had already started facing competition in the world markets from synthetics, the report said.

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The agricultural sector used to face massive setback due to annual flooding and drought, while the country was also subject to high salinity and devastating cyclones. The November 1970 cyclone killed at least 500,000 people in coastal areas.

East Pakistan was also facing power shortages and frequent outages due to lack of mineral resources. Until 1970, the country had only one gas field in Sylhet for power generation and producing fertiliser.

“There are no easily exploitable coal fields in East Pakistan … hydroelectric power possibilities in East Pakistan are limited.” A nuclear power plant was set to be constructed at Rooppur of Pabna with the support of Belgium in five years.

Lack of adequate transport system was another reason behind sluggish growth in East Pakistan.

Civil service and foreign ties

In 1965, there were 151 Bangalis in the civil service out of a nationwide total of 461, the CIA report said, adding: “Under Mujibur Rahman, however, a civil service might not have as great a role to play.”

As of late 1970, only a few government agencies drew as many as half of their employees from East Pakistan. Many Bangalis had held lesser positions in the bureaucracy below the elite civil service level.


In 1970, only 11 out of 53 Pakistani heads of missions were Bangalis.


“Mujib is relatively well travelled and has expressed himself on certain foreign policy aspects. He favours the restoration of trade ties with India and the peaceful settlement of outstanding disputes.

The CIA anticipated that the independence of East Pakistan might give rise to dreams among Bangalis on both sides and concern in New Delhi over the formation of a “Greater Bengal.”

“The AL does not appear to be particularly sympathetic to communist China, and some AL leaders seem suspicious of Chinese intentions,” the CIA document reads.

The US is apparently held in high esteem by several senior AL leaders. At the same time, the report stated, “there have been frequent contacts between Soviet diplomats and AL leaders, and Soviet assistance after the cyclone of 1970 was substantial.”


CIA CREST records:

On January 17, the CIA published around 930,000 declassified documents to the standalone CIA Records Search Tool (CREST) system online, some of which are about Bangladesh and erstwhile East Pakistan. Earlier, the records were only accessible in person at the National Archives Records Administration (NARA) in College Park, Maryland and through four computer terminals.

Since 1999, the CIA has regularly released its historical declassified records to the CREST system.

The documents on Bangladesh – 1,937 posted in December last year and 95 in January – include views of the CIA and the US’ Dhaka embassy about events related to politics, economy and Bangladesh ties with India and other countries.

On the other hand, the database includes 857 posts on erstwhile East Pakistan posted in December and 45 in January.

Makes sense... During his rule, Ayub Khan had explored the possibilities for a peaceful separation of East Pakistan... Bhutto was even more enthusiastic about the separation which was quite evident in his 1970 election campaigns... I guess they wanted time to make the public opinion (in West Pakistan) support the plan... We would have acheived independence anyway...
 
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During his rule, Ayub Khan had explored the possibilities for a peaceful separation of East Pakistan

Can you give me a few reading items for this?

Bhutto was even more enthusiastic about the separation which was quite evident in his 1970 election campaigns

He sure went through a lot of trouble and real loss of face for something that could have been achieved far more simply and with less cost of life. You telling me Yahya was the only baddie?
 
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Can you give me a few reading items for this?

Diaries of Field Marshal Ayub Khan 1966-1972

He sure went through a lot of trouble and real loss of face for something that could have been achieved far more simply and with less cost of life. You telling me Yahya was the only baddie?

That's debatable... The first question comes, what actually caused the operation search light?

People in East Pakistan had extremely high regards for Sheikh Mujib which made him the supreme leader in this wing. The other AL leaders were just recognized as associates of Sheikh Mujib. It should be debated, during the absence of Sheikh Mujib, under who's authority the government in exile asked for India's direct intervention when even the top Bengali Army officers were against it...

Note that those leaders (Tajuddin Ahmed and co.) had a significant difference of opinions with Sheikh Mujib in the later years... Tajuddin Ahmed was even removed from the government at one point...
 
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Makes sense... During his rule, Ayub Khan had explored the possibilities for a peaceful separation of East Pakistan... Bhutto was even more enthusiastic about the separation which was quite evident in his 1970 election campaigns... I guess they wanted time to make the public opinion (in West Pakistan) support the plan... We would have acheived independence anyway...
More I read about 1971 fiasco,more it become clear to me that, the crackdown and Pakistani effort to maintain the integrity of the country was sham.They wanted a way to get rid of East Pakistan but not to be branded as a traitor by the common people of West Pakistan.That's why they launched operation searchlight to fulfill their vendetta against Bengali and showing West Pakistani people that they are serious to maintain integrity of Pakistan.Bhutto wanted to be president of Punjab and Sindh only.He knew very well that,as long as there East Pakistan,there is no chance of him to become president.I suspect he was even willing to shed Baluchistan and NWFP if needed.All he wanted is Punjab and Sindh,the 'bastion of power' in his word.The same case was with Ayub.His mentality was 'if East Pakistan can accept second class status within the country and not mind the exploitation than they can stay,otherwise they can get out'

Top military leadership of Pakistan saw East Pakistan as a threat to their privilege and their military posture,as East Pakistan didn't share the same enthusiasm for Kashmir and advocated less military budget and more Bengali representation.So all of them decided to shed East Pakistan in a way that will not make them criminal in the eyes of West Pakistani people.So they launched ruthless Operation searchlight,their half-hearted attempt to quell the rebellion knowing the ultimate outcome.They sent Niazi , a fool to bear the responsibility of military defeat.For that they promoted Niazi several rank higher.When Indo-Pak war finally broke out,they surrendered quickly in Eastern front and maintained a defensive position in West Pakistan hoping for a rapid cease-fire.All these drama were done just to avoid the responsibility of breaking up the country which they desired but could not do peacefully due to fear of public backlash.Our only anger is due to the fact that, so much cruelty they inflicted towards the innocent people of Bangladesh for the purpose of saving their skin and hatred of Bengali.
 
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More I read about 1971 fiasco,more it become clear to me that, the crackdown and Pakistani effort to maintain the integrity of the country was sham.They wanted a way to get rid of East Pakistan but not to be branded as a traitor by the common people of West Pakistan.That's why they launched operation searchlight to fulfill their vendetta against Bengali and showing West Pakistani people that they are serious to maintain integrity of Pakistan.Bhutto wanted to be president of Punjab and Sindh only.He knew very well that,as long as there East Pakistan,there is no chance of him to become president.I suspect he was even willing to shed Baluchistan and NWFP if needed.All he wanted is Punjab and Sindh,the 'bastion of power' in his word.The same case was with Ayub.His mentality was 'if East Pakistan can accept second class status within the country and not mind the exploitation than they can stay,otherwise they can get out'

Top military leadership of Pakistan saw East Pakistan as a threat to their privilege and their military posture,as East Pakistan didn't share the same enthusiasm for Kashmir and advocated less military budget and more Bengali representation.So all of them decided to shed East Pakistan in a way that will not make them criminal in the eyes of West Pakistani people.So they launched ruthless Operation searchlight,their half-hearted attempt to quell the rebellion knowing the ultimate outcome.They sent Niazi , a fool to bear the responsibility of military defeat.For that they promoted Niazi several rank higher.When Indo-Pak war finally broke out,they surrendered quickly in Eastern front and maintained a defensive position in West Pakistan hoping for a rapid cease-fire.All these drama were done just to avoid the responsibility of breaking up the country which they desired but could not do peacefully due to fear of public backlash.Our only anger is due to the fact that so much cruelty they inflicted towards the innocent people of Bangladesh for the purpose of saving their skin and hatred of Bengali.

You have a point there... However, Pakistan's defeat in the war didn't go well in the domestic politics for Bhutto, especially given the fact that general West Pakistanis were completely kept in dark wrt to what's happening in East Pakistan. There were mass protests in West Pakistan when they came to know about the outcome, people were definitely not convinced... These sentiments eventually led to the rise of Ziaul Haque and the right wing elements...

Misplaced tactics perhaps...
 
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I acknowledge,Indian intervention acted as a catalyst for our rapid victory but there is no reason to believe that it was impossible without Indian involvement.
@Nilgiri
Bahi you fought day and night against 45000 PA regular troops and in course of 8 months you couldn't even capture a one district,even according to you with full support of locals.
The number of Mukti Bahni terrorists was never less them 0.2 million,but still they failed to do anything meaningful in course of war.
 
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@Nilgiri
Bahi you fought day and night against 45000 PA regular troops and in course of 8 months you couldn't even capture a one district,even according to you with full support of locals.
The number of Mukti Bahini terrorists was never less them 0.2 million,but still they failed to do anything meaningful in course of war.
8 months is too early to achieve any concrete result in guerrilla ware fare.Algerian needed 12 years to drive out the french and Vietnam needed 19 years to finally defeat the US force.Up to May,1971 many entire districts were under Mukti Bahini control which lost after Pakistani reinforcement and counter attack.Mukti Bahini activities slowed down due to monsoon period from June to September.But they retain many pocket within East Pakistan in their control not necessarily entire district.Districts were very large in that period.Entire East Pakistan was divided in only 19 districts.From October,Mukti Bahini attack intensified on Pakistani position and Mukti Bahini started to destroy the communication system in East Pakistan for the preparation of long term war.Like the Vietcong guerrilla they adopted a three stage warfare strategy.Mukti Bahini was barely at the beginning of first stage.Even minimum combat training require 6-12 months period.0.2 million figure is mostly trainee,not actual troops.Pakistani army would not have survived 1972,1973 with fighting Mukti Bahini.But India was too restless to finish the war and claim victory.After all rewards was too immense to ignore it for a long time.
 
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Than where is the report of CIA betting on Indian intervention as the most crucial factor?They sensed East Pakistan independence by seeing the trend around the world in that time.Vietkong guerrilla were creating big problem for USA,They have seen Algerian guerrilla war.Many countries in that time were getting independent either through negotiating with colonial power or by outright independence war.They seen same pattern in Bangladesh.I don't think Vietnamese or Algerian or others got Indian military help to win their independence.Indian military help is not something like 'Manna' from heaven without which freedom loving people can't live.
Genius, North Vietnam got direct support of China and Russia. Just like Bangladesh got India's.Do you think North Vietnam would exist without their active support?
 
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Genius, North Vietnam got direct support of China and Russia. Just like Bangladesh got India's.Do you think North Vietnam would exist without their active support?
Most of the Mukti Bahini arms actually supplied by Russia.I am not entirely denying Indian help.My point is,Indian direct war with Pakistan was not necessary for the liberation war.It could have been won without another Indo-Pak war with material support from India,Russia or other sources albeit in a more time period.India would not even dared to attack East Pakistan if there was no large scale revolt and fighting going on in East Pakistan.It dared not to in 1965.
 
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Most of the Mukti Bahini arms actually supplied by Russia.I am not entirely denying Indian help.My point is,Indian direct war with Pakistan was not necessary for the liberation war.It could have been won without another Indo-Pak war with material support from India,Russia or other sources albeit in a more time period.India would not even dared to attack East Pakistan if there was no large scale revolt and fighting going on in East Pakistan.It dared not to in 1965.
From where you get this info that Russia purchased weapons for Bangladesh?? As far as I know,India distributed old weapons among Muktis along with purchased new Bulgarian AK 47s to avoid any suspicion,which was distributed among both Muktis as well as our SFs who were active in Bangladesh for months before Formal War.
 
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From where you get this info that Russia purchased weapons for Bangladesh?? As far as I know,India distributed old weapons among Muktis along with purchased new Bulgarian AK 47s to avoid any suspicion,which was distributed among both Muktis as well as our SFs who were active in Bangladesh for months before Formal War.

No sir, Russian ships stocked to the hilt with weaponry were frequently stopping at CTG harbour (first target rebels took and held for the duration of conflict) dont you know?

It is the well known vladivostok - CTG weapon corridor, which has many books written on the subject.

All financed completely by wealthy BD.

All the while Pakistan did nothing.
 
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From where you get this info that Russia purchased weapons for Bangladesh?? As far as I know,India distributed old weapons among Muktis along with purchased new Bulgarian AK 47s to avoid any suspicion,which was distributed among both Muktis as well as our SFs who were active in Bangladesh for months before Formal War.
This is from my reading of Bengali book on liberation war.Vast majority of materials about liberation war is in Bangla language.There is a book 19 volume 'History of liberation war' in Bangla language which extensively discussed every events in every day of the war.But I didn't read that.That's for the scholars.Actually there are very few English book or website regarding Mukti Bahini.Indian and Pakistani wrote mainly the English book which serves Indian and Pakistani perspective where Mukti Bahini factor was nothing against the epic and glorious Indo-pak war.:P
 
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8 months is too early to achieve any concrete result in guerrilla ware fare.Algerian needed 12 years to drive out the french and Vietnam needed 19 years to finally defeat the US force.Up to May,1971 many entire districts were under Mukti Bahini control which lost after Pakistani reinforcement and counter attack.Mukti Bahini activities slowed down due to monsoon period from June to September.But they retain many pocket within East Pakistan in their control not necessarily entire district.Districts were very large in that period.Entire East Pakistan was divided in only 19 districts.From October,Mukti Bahini attack intensified on Pakistani position and Mukti Bahini started to destroy the communication system in East Pakistan for the preparation of long term war.Like the Vietcong guerrilla they adopted a three stage warfare strategy.Mukti Bahini was barely at the beginning of first stage.Even minimum combat training require 6-12 months period.0.2 million figure is mostly trainee,not actual troops.Pakistani army would not have survived 1972,1973 with fighting Mukti Bahini.But India was too restless to finish the war and claim victory.After all rewards was too immense to ignore it for a long time.
Well take india out of that equation and there is nothing left,if there would have been no Indian support there wouldn't have been any Bangladesh.Bangladesh is nothing just a trophy of Indians
 
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