Choked by US ban, ZTE halts smartphone sales in China

[HannibalBarca]

Can we stop with this US Collapse/ China Collapse Non-Sense... it's becoming a bit childish...

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Looks like his slave bowing to his master, lol at the Chinese.

Time has changed , if US president bowing down in public to Chinese Emperor, I can't imagine how low Aussi PM bended in private meeting with Chinese leader since Australia is subordinate to US...LMAO

 

[Hack-Hook]

The standard is what I am talking about, these 300 company (you found on Wikipedia, right?) pay loyalty to use the standard system.

For example. SD card uses system defined by SD Card Association (SDA), every major brand that produce SD card (including Micro SD card) have to adhere to this standard if you want your card to be called and compatible to SD format, these standard include transfer speed, classes, data format and card size. And each of these company produce these card would have to pay some degree of royalty to SDA so you can have this logo printed on your card.

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If you are not allow to deal with SDA because of licensing issue, then you cannot use the format adhere to the standard (Which is a trademark as seen on the logo above.) Does that mean you cannot have external storage? No, you can still have external storage but that will not be a SD system.

JEDEC is the governing body to all solid state data control these type of licenses and standard, they don't sell card per se, or manufacture them, but people who want to do so have to buy license from them so they can use their format



I am aware ARM and PowerVR are both British Company, but you know why ZTE is going down like this today right?

In a hypothetical situation I mentioned if China this time is on the ban list. Would ARM and PowerVR sell stuff to Chinese Telecom? Which is bar from trading to China (as in the case of NK and Iran today), both ARM and PowerVR being British Company does not mean they do not process/trade US made technology. For example, ARM uses Apache Licensed mBed TSL/SSL program and database, which is registered to American Apache Software Foundation. While PowerVR uses MIPS Architecture which is developed by MIPS technology (an American company), bought by Imagination Group..

If ARM and PowerVR sell their license to China in this case, will most likely suffer the same fate as ZTE to begin with.

What I said they are non-replaceable is there are no Chinese own company deriving the same tech available. Like CPU and RAM.



You cannot be serious...……

You do know WIFI and Bluetooth is not just about the logo, right? You can develop a brand new method for Wireless Data transfer, and that system would not be called WiFi and most importantly, they could not be compatible to current WiFi infrastructure. Because the WiFi system is specifically defined and to work to a certain spectrum which is IEEE 802.11b/g/n (2.4GHz, 3.6GHz, 4.9GHz, 5GHz, 5.9GHz.) Which is what your router is set to today (Assuming your router is wifi-compatible), of course you can build another network (disregard the time you need to develop such network) using non-WiFi compatible system would mean your phone would not be able to connect to your router, because your phone would have to use a different bandwidth which mean you either need a new router or new phone to go online.

Google can stop the license to allow the Chinese company to use their android core code, which mean all system developed on android would not be license to Chinese company. And while you are right, that does not mean they can stop people from using android, but let's take ZTE as an example, US banned ZTE trade for 7 year, how many update would android have in the next 7 years? If we are using the current structure, 7 years ago, we are using Android 4.0, today we are using Android 8.1

There will not be a SoC if those IP right to use American technology were not applies to China, whatever making these SoC (Qualcomm, TSMC, MediaTek) would have to either taken these IP right item out or stop selling to China altogether. Selling US patented Technology on SoC by ZTE to Iran and North Korea is the exact clause why ZTE is being banned form trading with the US...

you are wrong ,SD Card , WIFI or JEDEC only get royalty for the Logo they only say this device is compatible with mentioned standard .they produce or license nothing and already you can buy lots of white box Chinese device on the market that don't pay the royalty for those standards . but are completely compatible for those standards

 

[jhungary]

you are wrong ,SD Card , WIFI or JEDEC only get royalty for the Logo they only say this device is compatible with mentioned standard .they produce or license nothing and already you can buy lots of white box Chinese device on the market that don't pay the royalty for those standards . but are completely compatible for those standards

lol, if you say so...…..

chinese companies dont care to give a hoot about patent or copyright laws unless they are branded. But they certainly are in a spot wrt to chips or processors.

It's not about IP right, or law. Because US will not be punishing Chinese company (they actually cannot) when they ignore the IP right and sell stuff overseas, the order of ZTE ban is issued to US company, which mean there can be no further dealing with ZTE on the US side. Which mean all support have to be ceased to ZTE wrt any US company dealing with them.

Would that mean ZTE cannot produce anything under the table? They can, they can always pull a Iran and reverse engineer anything, but than that will take times and a lot of resource just to make those stuff work, if in this case, you may as well building a whole new ecosystem just to suit the Chinese need..

 

[淼淼De微笑]

Looks like his slave bowing to his master, lol at the Chinese.

Now i know why your partner get raped in india, you deserve it.

Your indecent performance is a signal:Come and rape me

And we have Chinese and their slaves telling us the US is going to collapse, they have been saying that for 30 years LOL.

On the contrary
We have US and their dog AU telling us the China is going to collapse, they have been saying that for 30 years LOL

 

[seesonic]

you are wrong ,SD Card , WIFI or JEDEC only get royalty for the Logo they only say this device is compatible with mentioned standard .they produce or license nothing and already you can buy lots of white box Chinese device on the market that don't pay the royalty for those standards . but are completely compatible for those standards

lol, if you say so...…..

The only respond when you are caught pants down bullsh1ting

 

[jhungary]

The only respond when you are caught pants down bullsh1ting

lol genius, read the answer below that line, this is the same answer to the question he raise.

You are either too blind or too stupid to converse.

And I don't need to answer any and every question in this forum, certainly not a post when he just state his point without backing up his view. If I said your mother is a man, and you are an adopted son of gays, would that warrant you an response?

 

[Hack-Hook]

lol, if you say so...…..



It's not about IP right, or law. Because US will not be punishing Chinese company (they actually cannot) when they ignore the IP right and sell stuff overseas, the order of ZTE ban is issued to US company, which mean there can be no further dealing with ZTE on the US side. Which mean all support have to be ceased to ZTE wrt any US company dealing with them.

Would that mean ZTE cannot produce anything under the table? They can, they can always pull a Iran and reverse engineer anything, but than that will take times and a lot of resource just to make those stuff work, if in this case, you may as well building a whole new ecosystem just to suit the Chinese need..

It seems you don't knew what Wi-Fi or Bluetooth or JEDEC stands for .

If you want to knew why ZTE have problem providing enough phone its because they need time to design their products with alternate parts.

 

[seesonic]

lol genius, read the answer below that line, this is the same answer to the question he raise.

You are either too blind or too stupid to converse.

And I don't need to answer any and every question in this forum, certainly not a post when he just state his point without backing up his view. If I said your mother is a man, and you are an adopted son of gays, would that warrant you an response?

Wow personal insults, the butthurt must be real

 

[jhungary]

It seems you don't knew what Wi-Fi or Bluetooth or JEDEC stands for .

If you want to knew why ZTE have problem providing enough phone its because they need time to design their products with alternate parts.

lol, I know perfectly well what Wi-Fi, Blue Tooth or JEDEC stand for, you, on the other hand, I don't know.

All my answer is in this thread, it can easily be seen by anyone, since you are not getting anything new into the discussion, I am not going to indulge in what you want to say.

Again, if you say so, lol.

 

[seesonic]

It seems you don't knew what Wi-Fi or Bluetooth or JEDEC stands for .

If you want to knew why ZTE have problem providing enough phone its because they need time to design their products with alternate parts.

His a troll dishing out crap to invoke a reaction.

How sad of a life one must be in to be writing wall of text online using different accounts

50 rupees are getting harder and harder to earn.

 

[jhungary]

Wow personal insults, the butthurt must be real

My butt have to be rotten out if I am butt hurt against some Chinese Wannabe.

If so, I wouldn't post here, I would be in a hospital

 

[seesonic]

My butt have to be rotten out if I am butt hurt against some Chinese Wannabe.

If so, I wouldn't post here, I would be in a hospital

Yes you need to seek treatment for your bipolar

 

[Hack-Hook]

lol, I know perfectly well what Wi-Fi, Blue Tooth or JEDEC stand for, you, on the other hand, I don't know.

All my answer is in this thread, it can easily be seen by anyone, since you are not getting anything new into the discussion, I am not going to indulge in what you want to say.

Again, if you say so, lol.

As you claimed those selling ip it show you don't knew what they are stand for.

 

[jhungary]

As you claimed those selling ip it show you don't knew what they are stand for.

First of all, you don't sell IP. You sell IP only if and when your company was bought by someone and they get the IP or Patent you are holding, that is called transfer.

Second of all, your question is already answered in the second part of my answer to the other member.

Let me give you a hint. If you said is true and IP right can be circumvented by making under the table dealing and not using the "Trademark Logo" like you said, would ZTE shut down their business on May 9?

Each item that have IP in it would have some control over it, otherwise why claim IP if you have no control the sole right and everybody can make what you make just not using your logo? In this case, the control came from support from US firm that hold these IP.

Read this

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeanba...er-u-s-tech-ban-over-iran-sales/#24fb212e4b0a

The Shenzhen-based company's latest statement confirms Atherton Research's initial report, published last month, that ZTE will ultimately shut down as most of its products use American technologies, from high-end 5G equipment to low-end Android smartphones, and that it will be close to impossible for ZTE to redesign new products around the U.S. tech ban.

Similar case is when US decided to cut off support and main parts supplies of all military hardware to Iran (you remember those, right?) how long does it take for Iranian to reverse engineer them even with the help of the Russian? And in ZTE case, it won't worth to re-engineer a whole different setup unless the whole Chinese Telco business is willing to go with ZTE.

As I stated; if yo uthink IP is just a logo on the product, that mean you don't know what IP mean.

Yes you need to seek treatment for your bipolar

Do you know what is bipolar?

I think you need to seek treatment on learning difficulty. Or may even be Multiple Personality Disorder, because you think you are Chinese, but you aren't.