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Chinese electric vehicles are $10,618 cheaper than in Europe, parts maker says​

Forvia chief Patrick Koller tells Consumer Electronics Show audience in Las Vegas that China is producing 'good vehicles'

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An electric car made by Chinese manufacturer BYD. The average price of EVs has dropped in China to $33,440 from $70,203, taking it below the price of petrol rivals. Reuters

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Jan 07, 2023

Chinese car makers can build an electric vehicle for €10,000 ($10,618) less than European counterparts, an overwhelming cost advantage that will put pressure on European manufacturers in their home market, the head of vehicle supplier Forvia has said.

As European consumers seek cheap EVs, Forvia chief executive Patrick Koller told the CES convention in Las Vegas on Wednesday that China was producing “good vehicles” and Europe would not be able to stop imports.

The issue is “more dangerous” for Europe than the US, Mr Koller said, as high duties have limited China's US market share.

Forvia, the company created when French car supplier Faurecia took 82 per cent control of German supplier Hella, is the seventh largest vehicle component maker in the world. It supplies many Chinese car makers, including low-cost EV leader BYD.

While the average price of electric cars has risen in Europe since 2015 from $51,424 to $58,652 ― and $53,038 to $63,864 in the US ― it has dropped in China to $33,440 from $70,203, taking it below the price of petrol cars, according to a study by JATO Dynamics, which provides analysis on industry trends.

Chinese EV makers can produce vehicles for less because they have lower research and development costs, lower levels of capital spending and lower labour costs than rivals in Europe, Mr Koller said.

Europe is relatively open to vehicles imported from China, and Chinese vehicle makers as well as global manufacturers such as Tesla are rushing to step up shipments.

Countering perceptions Chinese goods are lower quality, they have earned five-star safety ratings from European regulators.

China has a roughly 5.8 per cent of Europe's EV share, according to French auto consultancy Inovev, which predicts a steep rise in the coming years as Chinese brands build more lower-cost models.

By contrast, high duties in the US on Chinese-made vehicles have so far kept China's share of the American car market negligible.

The outlook for global vehicle demand in 2023 is uncertain, Mr Koller said.

An end to the war in Ukraine would lift prospects, but a deeper, protracted conflict could create a “far darker” scenario.

Forvia will invest more in the US, in part to take advantage of federal incentives provided in the Inflation Reduction Act signed into law in August, Mr Koller said.

Forvia sees opportunities in supplying fuel cell technology for North American pick-up trucks, and Mr Koller said he expects a fuel cell pick-up to be launched in the US by 2025.

The company has invested in fuel-cell technology company Symbio, and Stellantis, which owns the Ram pick-up brand, said last month it was also in talks to invest in Symbio.

Forvia is on track to meet goals of boosting revenue to €30 billion by 2025, and selling €1 billion of assets this year, Mr Koller said.

It can execute its asset sales and cost-saving even though it does not control 18 per cent of Hella’s shares.

Activist hedge fund Elliott Management holds a 10.75 per cent stake in Hella.

Mr Koller said he is in no hurry to acquire the remaining Hella shares, given Forvia’s existing debt.

 
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When CATL introduced Sodium Ion battery this year, the price of EV will go down further. No more pricy Lithium Ion battery.
 
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Nothing new here, everyone knows chinese=cheap. :enjoy:
Cheap = value for money in China. Iphone, Tesla and many products are made in China. And they are loved by everybody for good quality without costing a bomb compare to fools like India or America. :enjoy:
 
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Cheap = value for money in China. Iphone, Tesla and many products are made in China. And they are loved by everybody for good quality without costing a bomb compare to fools like India or America. :enjoy:

Teslas Now Over 40% Cheaper in China Than US as Prices Cut Again

  • Tesla lowers Model 3 and Y prices in China, introduces S and X
  • Reductions follow other cuts last year as competition grows
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By Bloomberg News

January 6, 2023 at 10:29 AM GMT+8Updated onJanuary 6, 2023 at 11:35 AM GMT+8

Tesla Inc. made another round of price cuts on its Model 3 and Y electric vehicles in China on Friday, while also introducing its higher-end Model S sedan and Model X to get a better hold on the premium end of the world’s biggest EV market.

The starting price for the locally-built Model Y sports utility vehicle has been slashed to 259,900 yuan ($37,875) from 288,900 yuan, according to the company’s Chinese website. That’s a record low for China and 43% cheaper than the $65,900 starting price listed on Tesla’s US website. The Model 3 goes to 229,900 yuan from 265,900 yuan, about 30% cheaper than in the US.

Tesla already cut prices in China last year to boost sales as competition heats up in both the mass and premium segments, with the likes of Warren Buffett-backed BYD Co., Xpeng Inc. and Nio Inc., as well as international players such as Porsche AG and Mercedes Benz Group AG, all vying for sales.

China’s BYD Unveils Luxury Electric Car Brand in Shift Upmarket

Tesla said its newly introduced Model S, with a redesigned interior, is priced at 789,900 yuan in China, while the Plaid version — Tesla’s fastest car, taking only 2.1 seconds to go from zero to 100 kilometers (62 miles) per hour — will be sold from 1.01 million yuan. The Model X SUV is priced from 879,900 yuan and the Model X Plaid starts at 1.04 million yuan. Deliveries will begin in the second quarter this year, Tesla said.

Austin, Texas-based Tesla is a dominant player in China’s mass-market EV sector — vehicles that cost no more than 300,000 yuan. The company localized production of Model 3 sedans at the end of 2019 when it opened a factory in Shanghai capable of churning out 450,000 cars a year. It started shipping Model Ys from there in January 2021.

Tesla shipped over 710,000 vehicles from Shanghai in 2022, representing about 54% of its worldwide sales. But deliveries slowed in December as production was suspended for equipment upgrades and demand ebbed. Tesla announced earlier this week that global deliveries were lower than expected for a third-straight quarter, prompting a 12% slump in its share price Tuesday.

 
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China's electric vehicles have moved towards market-oriented operation, and this year they officially withdrew from the subsidy system. China's car prices are already relatively low, including Tesla, Toyota, GM, Volkswagen, Audi
 
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Everything is made in China so natural everything is much cheaper in China, products are always cheaper in local markets.

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Cheap = value for money in China. Iphone, Tesla and many products are made in China. And they are loved by everybody for good quality without costing a bomb compare to fools like India or America. :enjoy:
Good for you.👍
 
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China brings down the price of cars to only a couple of months salary, it's good for the developing countries. Cars used to be luxury items a decade ago and now are just like common household neccessities because of China.
 
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Teslas Now Over 40% Cheaper in China Than US as Prices Cut Again

  • Tesla lowers Model 3 and Y prices in China, introduces S and X
  • Reductions follow other cuts last year as competition grows
800x-1.jpg


By Bloomberg News

January 6, 2023 at 10:29 AM GMT+8Updated onJanuary 6, 2023 at 11:35 AM GMT+8

Tesla Inc. made another round of price cuts on its Model 3 and Y electric vehicles in China on Friday, while also introducing its higher-end Model S sedan and Model X to get a better hold on the premium end of the world’s biggest EV market.

The starting price for the locally-built Model Y sports utility vehicle has been slashed to 259,900 yuan ($37,875) from 288,900 yuan, according to the company’s Chinese website. That’s a record low for China and 43% cheaper than the $65,900 starting price listed on Tesla’s US website. The Model 3 goes to 229,900 yuan from 265,900 yuan, about 30% cheaper than in the US.

Tesla already cut prices in China last year to boost sales as competition heats up in both the mass and premium segments, with the likes of Warren Buffett-backed BYD Co., Xpeng Inc. and Nio Inc., as well as international players such as Porsche AG and Mercedes Benz Group AG, all vying for sales.

China’s BYD Unveils Luxury Electric Car Brand in Shift Upmarket

Tesla said its newly introduced Model S, with a redesigned interior, is priced at 789,900 yuan in China, while the Plaid version — Tesla’s fastest car, taking only 2.1 seconds to go from zero to 100 kilometers (62 miles) per hour — will be sold from 1.01 million yuan. The Model X SUV is priced from 879,900 yuan and the Model X Plaid starts at 1.04 million yuan. Deliveries will begin in the second quarter this year, Tesla said.

Austin, Texas-based Tesla is a dominant player in China’s mass-market EV sector — vehicles that cost no more than 300,000 yuan. The company localized production of Model 3 sedans at the end of 2019 when it opened a factory in Shanghai capable of churning out 450,000 cars a year. It started shipping Model Ys from there in January 2021.

Tesla shipped over 710,000 vehicles from Shanghai in 2022, representing about 54% of its worldwide sales. But deliveries slowed in December as production was suspended for equipment upgrades and demand ebbed. Tesla announced earlier this week that global deliveries were lower than expected for a third-straight quarter, prompting a 12% slump in its share price Tuesday.


Even with a 40% price cut still not worth it, do the math - $30K for a new battery after 10 years.
 
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When CATL introduced Sodium Ion battery this year, the price of EV will go down further. No more pricy Lithium Ion battery.
let’s wait. Cheaper yes but there are issues with weight and energy. Sodium or Natrium is 11, while lithium is 3 on the period system. Just by this context you can conclude sodium is 3 to 4 times heavier in weight than lithium battery. Not good at all for light cars as EV. Same disadvantage when using phosphate battery. such heavy batteries are more suitable for bus, trucks or trains.
 
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Can't wait to buy a car in AliExpress.

Come on Huawei, steal all the know how of Germany car manufacturers and sell it to Chinese car brands.
 
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