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Chinese drones hunt Turkish drones in Libya air war
  • Experts say that strongman Khalifa Hifter has procured Chinese-made Wing Loong drones from his main backer, the United Arab Emirates


Agence France-Presse

Published: 12:49pm, 29 Sep, 2019

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A Chinese Wing Loong II drone.

In Libya, where rival forces are deadlocked south of Tripoli, a months-long battle for the skies between Turkish and UAE drones has failed to break the stalemate, analysts say.

Since April 4, when eastern strongman Khalifa Hifter launched an offensive to capture Tripoli – the capital and seat of the UN-recognised Government of National Accord (GNA) – front lines have moved little.

Faced with a stand-off, the two sides have turned to sophisticated weaponry in the hope of gaining an advantage in a battle that has killed over 1,000, injured close to 6,000 and forced 120,000 people from their homes, according to UN figures.


Drones entered the military arena in June, despite a UN arms embargo on Libya in place since the 2011 revolt that overthrew the regime of Muammar Gaddafi.

“Given the intensive use of air assets in the first month of the offensive … most of the combat aircraft of the two air forces are grounded due to a lack of maintenance,” said defence analyst Arnaud Delalande.

“Not wanting to be left without air power, Haftar and the GNA seem to have turned urgently towards another type of craft: drones.”

At the end of July, UN envoy to Libya Ghassan Salame expressed concern about the widening “geographical scope of violence” with the increased use of air strikes.

Experts say that Haftar has procured Chinese-made Wing Loong drones from his main backer, the United Arab Emirates.


His rivals turned to Ankara, which is increasingly open about its support for the GNA, to equip themselves with Turkish Bayraktar drones.

Each side has since focused on trying to destroy their adversary’s drones and command centres.

Haftar’s forces have repeatedly carried out strikes on Mitiga airport, closing down Tripoli’s only remaining air link to the outside world, saying Turkish drones or their command centres were being targeted.

“This air war has become a direct engagement between the main sponsors of the LNA (Haftar’s self-styled Libyan National Army) and the GNA” – Abu Dhabi and Ankara, respectively, Delalande said.

Retired Libyan general Ahmad al-Hasnaoui said that drones were providing support to ground forces and playing “an important role in weakening (enemy) forces and supply lines”.

Libyan analyst Jalal al-Fitouri said both sides have intensified air raids against enemy drone bases since the end of June.

“The UAE’s Wing Loongs have been looking for the runways of the Bayraktar drones to destroy the GNA’s air power, but they haven’t succeeded,” Delalande said.

“The Turks have diversified their strategy by using roads to launch their drones and by spreading relay antennas over the entire area between Tripoli, Misrata and (the central district of) Jufra to extend the range of their drones,” he added.

But irrespective of whether Wing Loong or Bayraktar drones win the air war, “the drones are not an end in themselves” if ground forces don’t advance, Delalande said.

Faced with static front lines on the ground, the UN is encouraging the warring parties to relaunch a political process on hold since Haftar launched his offensive.

But Delalande believes “Haftar does not intend to negotiate” and thinks the air war can be won.

“He is pushing the United Arab Emirates to engage further. Air strikes from Mirages (jets belonging to the UAE air force) are not to be ruled out in the coming weeks,” Delalande warned.

Ankara, for its part, “no longer hides its support for Tripoli, without directly engaging its own air power,” he said.


https://www.scmp.com/news/world/mid...nese-drones-hunt-turkish-drones-libya-air-war
 
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China media propaganda for average Chinese vs the reality.

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Chinese propaganda? SCMP all jounralist are all those pro democracy HKer. What they wrote are alway anti-China stuff.

An your laser proves nothing.. As if yours wont blow up if shot by laser? China is still the largest export of military drone. Outsold US and Israel. Undeniable fact. Even US special forces still buy Chinese DJI mavic drone despite ban.. More or less show how Chinese dominate civilian and military drone.

https://www.voanews.com/usa/us-military-still-buying-chinese-made-drones-despite-spying-concerns
 
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New Turkish AKINCI UCAV is coming

-- AESA Radar
-- SATCOM
-- Air to Air Missile
-- SOM Cruise Missile ( range of 280km )
-- KGK Smart Bomb ( range of 110km )




 
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The last 2 posts are misleading the conversation. The news is that the opposition rebels are getting Chinese drones for themselves while the government has Turkish ones. It's more of a political view point rather then a technological comparision. UAE vs Turkish funding etc.

No need for chest thumping imo.

Having said that - Damn Akıncı will be a gamechanger for Turkey until we get the MIUS!
 
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Misleading title, "drone wars in Libya" looks more suitable.
The title makes it seem as Chinese drones are hunting Turkish drones,there is nothing relevant within the context.
In the end,the whole post glorifies Turkish drone bayraktar tbII:
" Can take off from roads, or anywhere suitable without requirement of a runway"
 
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title: one-sentence summary of the intended propaganda

content: Somethings irrelevant based on subjective interpretations of a writer whose expertise is unclear. Of course there is no evidence to support the claim.

Content level:
Lets try to compare Chinese MALE class UCAV with the tactical UAV which is the smallest operative class. The area faces the UAE and the GNA but that's not the point.

Content source: The boulevard paper affiliated to the Alibaba group.

The only evidence in the comments : A crashed male class Chinese UCAV system.

Troll contributions: "But but our hobby drones are used in the US".

Conclusion: We all love China very much. But they needs to raise their troll salaries because current level of knowledge is at primary level.
 
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What this war is about?? This region is such a mess.

The region was getting stabilized with the political forces reached on the consensus to internally sort out the power sharing formula but then someone from middle east was feeling left out so decided to have his share by inciting a civil war. General haftar truly is a sanama beech
 
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title: one-sentence summary of the intended propaganda

content: Somethings irrelevant based on subjective interpretations of a writer whose expertise is unclear. Of course there is no evidence to support the claim.

Content level:
Lets try to compare Chinese MALE class UCAV with the tactical UAV which is the smallest operative class. The area faces the UAE and the GNA but that's not the point.

Content source: The boulevard paper affiliated to the Alibaba group.

The only evidence in the comments : A crashed male class Chinese UCAV system.

Troll contributions: "But but our hobby drones are used in the US".

Conclusion: We all love China very much. But they needs to raise their troll salaries because current level of knowledge is at primary level.
ahahaha.....funny one. :lol: I agree with your point though. Article is abit too sensational/dramatic compared to reality. :D
 
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What this war is about?? This region is such a mess.
Who takes control over the Libian country. The current government (backed by UN, Turkey and a few more EU countries) or the Rebels (backed by UAE and Saudi Arabia, and France I think?).

The US, as always, is playing for both sides, so she has herself covered. The second rate power countries though has to pick a side and that's what the war is about.

The "Rebels" are led by the most despicable piece of sh.. you can find, and yes I'm obviously biased against him :)

Answer to probable second question : Why the heck does anyone care who controls Libya?

So the southern sea of Turkey (Mediterranean sea) has probable shitloads of natural gas and petroleum reserves. Turkey has declared most of this her's, while Greece has also done the same. So we have 2 teams on the ground fighting for economic dominance here :

Turkish Team : Turkey + North Cyprus + Qatar
Greece Team : Greece + Egypt + Israel + Saudi Arabia + UAE + South Cyprus

The EU and the US is seemingly watching for now, but they seem to be leaning on Greeces side. The reason is simple : If Turkey manages to control this area, she will not only heavily dominate the Middle East, Turkey will also have a lot to say about the EU. As the project is not so much as extracting the gas from the sea, the big project is a pipeline that stretches from Saudi to Europe via this sea.

Where does Libya come in? Well, Libya has shores to the same sea, and whichever side she throws her weight has a big advantage in this situation. For now, the Libyan Government has sided with Turkey while the Rebels have sided with the Greek.

That's why Libya is important.

Summary
Whoever get's Libya can dictate :
  • Where the EU is buying their energy from
  • Who gets to get the lion share of oil from the Mediterranian sea
  • If Turkey frog leaps all her neighbours by controlling so much strategic and economic value
The last part is pretty important for all of the Middle East, Balkans and even the EU.
 
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China is still the largest export of military drone. Outsold US and Israel. Undeniable fact. Even US special forces still buy Chinese DJI mavic drone despite ban.. More or less show how Chinese dominate civilian and military drone.

https://www.voanews.com/usa/us-military-still-buying-chinese-made-drones-despite-spying-concerns


And explain why Jordan military tries to sell off ‘knock-off’ Chinese drones?

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/a...ry-tries-to-sell-off-knock-off-chines-458706/
 
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And explain why Jordan military tries to sell off ‘knock-off’ Chinese drones?

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/a...ry-tries-to-sell-off-knock-off-chines-458706/
You didnt mention Jordan biggest military recipient of US military aid?

http://www.jordantimes.com/news/local/us-endorses-1525-billion-aid-jordan-additional-250m

Daddy ask son to do what it told be it right or wrong. Not difficult to understand right?

https://www.thenational.ae/world/us...e-armed-drone-sales-to-uae-and-jordan-1.47368

And you havent answer me why US special forces still buy Chinese drone despite ask not too. They can buy Turkey drone since its so bravado.... :enjoy:

https://www.voanews.com/usa/us-military-still-buying-chinese-made-drones-despite-spying-concerns

Let me tell you the answer. Becos it too good. :enjoy:
 
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