Chinese cars now on par with the best western and Japanese cars

[beijingwalker]

There is a difference in buying a phone or a car. If the phone breaks down you can buy a new one. If your car breaks out while driving at 200kmh, your life is at stake. If China wants to sell cars to the US and Western Europe, you should invest more in quality. If quality is achieved, you invest in image. Until then, China cars are hard to sell here.

Other stuffs as electric or driverless cars are irrelevant in the first place. People don’t buy your stuffs if they don’t have trust in products.

Foreign cars used to dominate the Chinese market and no one went for the Chinese domestic cars, now domestic cars overtook foreign brands and became dominant in the Chinese domestic market, you believe suddenly Chinese people became ok with cars breaking down at 200kmh?

 

[Viet]

Foreign cars used to dominate the Chinese market and no one went for the Chinese domestic cars, now domestic cars overtook foreign brands and became dominant in the Chinese domestic market, you believe suddenly Chinese people became ok with cars breaking down at 200kmh?

Ok let see that way. You want to sell to rich customers, right? And not to customers in poorer countries. I recently stopped by a BMW car dealer. Many cars start by 50,000 euro. Close by, there is a Toyota house. Same car category start by 30,000 euro. How deep is your discount if you want to sell made-in-China cars? I take it for granted: I don’t risk my life when driving

 

[beijingwalker]

Ok let see that way. You want to sell to rich customers, right? And not to customers in poorer countries. I recently stopped by a BMW car dealer. Many cars start by 50,000 euro. Close by, there is a Toyota house. Same car category start by 30,000 euro. How deep is your discount if you want to sell made-in-China cars? I take it for granted: I don’t risk my life when driving

No we want to sell cars to all customers, cars are cheap, everyone who is not very poor can afford a car, now in China we even have shared cars, like shared bikes, you just scan it with your phone and drive away.

Before what you can see in China were all foreign cars, you can barely see any Chinese cars except for trucks and minivans, but now Chinese cars became dominant, it's not because Chinese people became poorer and less demanding for good quality cars, it's because the Chinese cars are just as good and in many aspects are better than foreign cars, you believe hundreds of millions of Chinese people driving Chinese cars are risking their lives?

Shared BMW, just scan the QR code and drive away

Shared cars in China

Shared hyundai in a small Chinese town Zibo

 

[TaiShang]

His statement is half wrong, half true. I can give you more information.

NCAP refers to New Car Assessment Program. Different countries / regions have their own NCAP program, e.g. China NCAP, Euro NACP, Japan NCAP, Australia NCAP etc. India has its own NCAP program too, but it is called as Global NCAP.

Different NCAPs have different test protocols or standards. Hence test result from different NCAPs are usually NOT directly comparable. I.e. five-star rating from one NCAP, vs. five-star rating from another NCAP, may have very big difference.

For the China NCAP, it consists of the following tests:
- Frontal impact test with 100% overlap
- Frontal impact test with 40% overlapping
- Side impact test
- Neck protection test, or commonly known as "whiplash test"
- Pedestrian protection test
- ESC (Electronic Stability Control) performance test
- AEB (Autonomous Emergency Braking) performance test
- If the tested car is an electric vehicle, there is separate program to test its electric-drive system

All the vehicles tested by China-NCAP needs to do ALL the mentioned tests, and the safety rating (i.e. how many stars earned) is an aggregate result based upon all the tests done.

For example, the given link shows the test result of BYD Tang Electric SUV. We can not only see the final result, but also the result of each of the separate tests.
http://www.c-ncap.org/cncap/crash/1c85ddb987264d1b899c9cf40634dee2

This is the situation of China-NCAP. Then how about India NCAP (or Global NCAP, as the program call itself as Global NCAP). Global NCAP unfortunately conducts ONLY ONE test, the front offset test. And the safety rating is derived from this one single test.

For example, the following link shows the rating result of the Tata model. We can only see the front impact offset test results.
http://www.globalncap.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/SaferCarsForIndia-Tata-Nexon.pdf

Now we see the difference. The China Five star rating is derived from multiple different tests that targeting at the different sides of the cars, while the India NCAP only does one. Which one is a better safety indicator??

Indian (Global) NCAP seems fit well India's own standards.

China exports 1 million units vehicles in 2018 (750k passenger vehicles + 280k commercial vehicles)
http://www.miit.gov.cn/n1146285/n1146352/n3054355/n3057585/n3057592/c6600201/content.html

India exports 750k units passenger vehicles and 100k units commercial vehicles in FY2017-18.
http://www.siamindia.com/statistics.aspx?mpgid=8&pgidtrail=15

Hence the claim that China exports 50% less is WRONG.

If we click the export split of India, we will find most of the cars that exported from India is done by the foreign car builders in India. This is not a bad thing, considering from the jobs creation perspective. But that also means the local Indian brands find it is hard to export in big scale. We can take a look at the export volume from Tata, or Mahindra.

Meanwhile, it also creates the question why the foreign car builders in China are reluctant to do big scale export. I'm not saying foreign car builders are NOT exporting from China, but they are not active in export from China. That's true.

The answer is the mandatory JV regulation in China. In China, all the foreign car builders are forced to run its China business via joint venture with a local car company. And the share of foreign side not allowed to be larger than 50%. E.g. Volkswagen, it has two JVs in China, SAIC-VW (SAIC owns 50%, VW owns 50%), and FAW-VW (FAW owns 60%, VW owns 40%). The similar situation applies to ALL foreign OEMs in China.

That being said, if Volkswagen does a large scale export from China, 50%, or even 60% of the profits, would have to be shared with its local partners SAIC or FAW. This is very clearly NO wise choice from the perspective of Volkswagen.

Powerful analysis. I wonder where does that Indian get the "India is a larger exporter" data. Seems like a similar situation like India being an IT superpower.

 

[Akasa]

Chinese Phones are ahead of western and South Korean ones .

So you've never used a Samsung or Nokia.

 

[lcloo]

Proton X70, a rebadged Geely Bo Yue SUV, modified to right hand drive, is making big entry to Malaysian car market. Geely owns 49% share holding in Malaysia's Proton Cars.

Malaysian car market is about 500,000 cars per year. From September to December 2018, booking of Proton X70 (Geely Bo Yue) has exceed 15,000 cars. And since 12 Dec 2018, bookings have increased to 200-300 cars per day. The car was officially launched by Prime Minister Dr Mahathir in December 2018.

Over 15,000 Bookings Collected For Proton X70
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Hans | December 28, 2018 11:46 AM

The total bookings collected by Proton for its first ever X70 SUV has exceeded 15,000, more than 60 percent of it are for the most expensive Premium 2WD variant (priced at RM 123,800).


Proton dealers have been collecting bookings since 8-September, and on 17-October, an online booking platform went live.

According a report by Bernama quoting Proton Edar Sdn Bhd CEO Datuk Abdul Rashid Musa, bookings have climbed up to an average of 200 to 300 bookings per day since the X70 was launched on 12-December.

"Strong support has continued, and this has been the best response received by Proton for a long time," he said.

"New bookings for X70 will stand a chance to receive the car within two to three months from the order date, depending on the variant and colour chosen," added Abdul Rashid.

The Proton X70 is available in four variants, with prices ranging from RM 99,800 to RM 123,800. All variants are powered by a 181 hp/285 Nm 1.8-litre turbocharged direct injection petrol engine. More details here. A summary of comparison with key rivals can also be found here.

For now, Proton is offering the X70 with four ‘Xtra Packages’:

• Xtra Low Financing Rate: From 2.34 percent per annum
• Xtra Warranty Coverage: 5-year warranty with unlimited mileage
• Xtra Service Package: 5 times free labour service (within 100,000 km or five years)
• Xtra Data Package: 5-year Internet data package (1 GB/month), for use with the car’s Internet-enabled infotainment

Current models of the Proton X70 are imported from China, while locally assembled models – to be made at Proton’s plant in Tanjung Malim – will commence starting October 2019.

 

[GS Zhou]

The total bookings collected by Proton for its first ever X70 SUV has exceeded 15,000, more than 60 percent of it are for the most expensive Premium 2WD variant (priced at RM 123,800).

That's a great breakthrough! RM 123,800 is almost 200,000 in RMB. Great to hear that Geely/Proton is gaining the recognition in Malaysia in such a rapid pace!