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The recent claims of the Communist Party of China (CPC) of “success” and “zero domestic transmissions” in the fight against the new coronavirus disease (COVID-19) are “propaganda” and “sheer fabrication,” according to American China expert and author Steven W. Mosher.

“It is sheer fabrication, no sturdier than the shoddy warehouses that were put up in a week to house the victims of the Wuhan virus,” wrote Mosher in an article on the website of the Population Research Institute, which he heads (pop.org).

Just the same, the CPC is holding out its dubious claim of total win over the Wuhan virus “as a model for other countries to follow,” complained Mosher, who’s regularly interviewed on CNN and other broadcast news media agencies on human rights and other issues on China.

“‘Learn from China’ is the latest Party line,” reported the China watcher.

“It is just one more piece of Chinese propaganda to add to the ever-growing pile of lies that Beijing has been telling these past three months.”

He called the CPC claim “fake news out of China.”

A demographer, social scientist, anthropologist and Chinese population expert, Mosher dismissed CPC’s claim it “has actually reduced the number of new cases to zero.”

Mosher wrote that the likelihood of zero transmission out of China’s 1.3 billion people “is about the same as the CPC discovering a cure for cancer, establishing a base on Mars and inventing faster-than-light interstellar travel—all on the same day,” Mosher wrote.


Celebrated, controversial
Mosher is a celebrated international scholar who became in 1979 the first American research student to conduct anthropological research in China after the Cultural Revolution. He exposed the forced abortions of women due to the CPC’s “one-child policy” and as a result, was barred from entering China again.

Mosher was also expelled from the PhD program of Stanford University, which became a controversy in the academic world. Critics said Stanford bowed down to Chinese pressure, but the university denied this and said Mosher was dropped because he violated research ethics and compromised the safety of his sources in China.

Those sources may have aided Mosher in contesting CPC’s claim of defeating the COVID-19 pandemic.

“What the Communist leadership… did was much simpler,” he wrote. “It simply directed doctors across China to stop diagnosing and reporting new cases of the disease. Overnight, new cases dropped to zero.”

He wrote there was “evidence that some local jurisdictions have been deliberately underreporting the number of patients who test positive for the virus.”Mosher added that the “warehouse hospitals” built overnight “have all been emptied out in a hurry, with many of the occupants sent home while reportedly still testing positive.”

He reported that in Beijing, hospitals have canceled “all elective procedures,” which he said should suggest they were coping with the influx of Covid-19 patients.“Finally,” he wrote, “at least one province is requiring all government documents to destroy all ‘documents and data’ they may have received concerning the epidemic.”

Mosher praised American and French attempts to come up with an antidote against COVID-19. Also a biologist, he called a recent French study showing chloroquine and azithromycin could stop the Wuhan virus “promising.”

But he said the “real enemy” is not the virus, but the CPC, “the corrupt and tyrannical system that, through its evil and incompetence, unleashed this plague around the world.”


Superiority complex
How China could hold out its “success” in allegedly stopping COVID-19 as a model for other countries to follow is due to its sense of superiority and history of self-delusion, according to Mosher.

In his latest book, “Bully of Asia: Why China’s Dream Is the New Threat to World Order” (2017, Regnery Publishing), Mosher takes readers to a quick survey of Chinese history to show how across the centuries, China has been obsessed with “hegemony” and lording it over others.

“In their obsession with hegemony the Chinese people have their own doctrine of manifest destiny,” Mosher writes. “For more than two thousand years, the Chinese considered themselves the geographical and geopolitical center of the world.”

The American author describes China’s worldview as “Sinocentric—even narcissistic.”

Mosher contrasts Sparta’s magnanimous victory over Athens during the Peloponnesian War (4 BC), with the Qun dynasty’s “Grand Unification” in the following century, and declares the goal of the latter was the “opposite”: Quin Shihuangdi (3 BC) “wanted to enslave the Chinese by subjugating their independent kingdoms to his own rule.”

“Utterly ruthless in his pursuit of power,” Mosher adds, “he was known for slaughtering surrendering armies—as well as Confucian scholars—to the last man.”

The Confucian reference is both crucial and ironical since, as Mosher points out, it was Confucius (5 BC) who had taught that the “Great Way” (righteousness leading to social harmony, “public spirited, crime free and even vaguely democratic,” in the scholar’s words), would pave the way for “datong,” or the “Great Unification,” which would allegedly put everything and everyone under “tianxia,” or All Under Heaven.“Great Uniformity” or “Great Tranquility” (in the translation of the famous Scottish Sinologist James Legge) has since been the vision of China’s procession of dynasties down to the CPC, Mosher declares.

“The latest iteration of the ancient Quin political culture—the People’s Republic of China—similarly longs to bring All Under Heaven… under its sway. And that is why it is so intransigent on Taiwan. And that is why it continues to make territorial demands in the South China Sea, in the East China Sea, on the Tibetan Plateau and elsewhere. Only through continuous expansion can the ideal of the ‘Great Uniformity’ be realized.”

https://lifestyle.inquirer.net/3601...mic-a-sheer-fabrication-says-us-china-expert/
 
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One of these things is not like the others, one of these thing just doesnt belong:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

New cases +45, new deaths +5 (Country that is a) the source b) lied/suppressed for a whole month at least)

South Korea (9 times less total cases, arguably most successful+transparent country on handling the crisis so far):

New cases +105, new deaths +8
 
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One of these things is not like the others, one of these thing just doesnt belong:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

New cases +45, new deaths +5 (Country that is a) the source b) lied/suppressed for a whole month at least)

South Korea (9 times less total cases, arguably most successful+transparent country on handling the crisis so far):

New cases +105, new deaths +8


British scientists believe Chinese cases are 15 to 40 times higher than reported. Around 1.2 to 3.2 million.

It’s clear to anyone that China has fabricated their numbers. No doubt about it.
 
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British scientists believe Chinese cases are 15 to 40 times higher than reported. Around 1.2 to 3.2 million.

It’s clear to anyone that China has fabricated their numbers. No doubt about it.
Well, its unreal that the virus just comes to halt at the source of the virus. The numbers make no sense.
 
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I feel pity for you guys. Live in self-denial. Open your eyes and see if your country can do even 50% of what Chinese can do in the video. FYI, This is Nanjing, only have around 200 case.
 
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I feel pity for you guys. Live in self-denial. Open your eyes and see if your country can do even 50% of what Chinese can do in the video. FYI, This is Nanjing, only have around 200 case.
Report of Urns Stacked at Wuhan Funeral Homes Raises Questions About the Real Coronavirus Death Toll in China
coronavirus-wuhan.jpg

A resident wearing a protective mask walks in the re-opened Jiangtan Park in Wuhan, China, on Mar. 26, 2020.

Getty Images
BY BLOOMBERG
MARCH 27, 2020
(Bloomberg) — The long lines and stacks of ash urns greeting family members of the dead at funeral homes in Wuhan are spurring questions about the true scale of coronavirus casualties at the epicenter of the outbreak, renewing pressure on a Chinese government struggling to control its containment narrative.

The families of those who succumbed to the virus in the central Chinese city, where the disease first emerged in December, were allowed to pick up their cremated ashes at eight local funeral homes starting this week. As they did, photos circulated on Chinese social media of thousands of urns being ferried in.

Outside one funeral home, trucks shipped inabout 2,500 urns on both Wednesday and Thursday, according to Chinese media outlet Caixin. Another picture published by Caixin showed 3,500 urns stacked on the ground inside. It’s unclear how many of the urns had been filled.

People who answered the phone at six of the eight funeral homes in Wuhan said they either did not have data on how many urns were waiting to be collected, or were not authorized to disclose the numbers. Calls were not answered at the other two.



"I Feel Really Angry" Wuhan Residents on Lockdown Speak to TIME
"I feel really angry." Two residents of Wuhan, the epicenter of the COVID-19 outbreak, discuss their frustration and the death of whistleblower Dr. Li Wenliang.

Some families said they had been forced to wait for several hours to pick up the ashes. The photos circulated as mass deaths from the virus spiked in cities across the west, including Milan, Madrid and New York, where hospitals were erecting tents to handle the overflow as global infections soar past 500,000, with 24,000 dead.

According to Chinese government figures, 2,535 people in Wuhan have died of the virus. The announcement that a lockdown in place since January would be lifted came after China said its tally of new cases had hit zero and stepped up diplomatic outreach to other countries hard hit by the virus, sending some of them medical supplies


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Report of Urns Stacked at Wuhan Funeral Homes Raises Questions About the Real Coronavirus Death Toll in China
coronavirus-wuhan.jpg

A resident wearing a protective mask walks in the re-opened Jiangtan Park in Wuhan, China, on Mar. 26, 2020.

Getty Images
BY BLOOMBERG
MARCH 27, 2020
(Bloomberg) — The long lines and stacks of ash urns greeting family members of the dead at funeral homes in Wuhan are spurring questions about the true scale of coronavirus casualties at the epicenter of the outbreak, renewing pressure on a Chinese government struggling to control its containment narrative.

The families of those who succumbed to the virus in the central Chinese city, where the disease first emerged in December, were allowed to pick up their cremated ashes at eight local funeral homes starting this week. As they did, photos circulated on Chinese social media of thousands of urns being ferried in.

Outside one funeral home, trucks shipped inabout 2,500 urns on both Wednesday and Thursday, according to Chinese media outlet Caixin. Another picture published by Caixin showed 3,500 urns stacked on the ground inside. It’s unclear how many of the urns had been filled.

People who answered the phone at six of the eight funeral homes in Wuhan said they either did not have data on how many urns were waiting to be collected, or were not authorized to disclose the numbers. Calls were not answered at the other two.



"I Feel Really Angry" Wuhan Residents on Lockdown Speak to TIME
"I feel really angry." Two residents of Wuhan, the epicenter of the COVID-19 outbreak, discuss their frustration and the death of whistleblower Dr. Li Wenliang.

Some families said they had been forced to wait for several hours to pick up the ashes. The photos circulated as mass deaths from the virus spiked in cities across the west, including Milan, Madrid and New York, where hospitals were erecting tents to handle the overflow as global infections soar past 500,000, with 24,000 dead.


According to Chinese government figures, 2,535 people in Wuhan have died of the virus. The announcement that a lockdown in place since January would be lifted came after China said its tally of new cases had hit zero and stepped up diplomatic outreach to other countries hard hit by the virus, sending some of them medical supplies.

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But some in China have been skeptical of the accuracy of the official tally, particularly given Wuhan’s overwhelmed medical system, authorities’ attempts to cover up the outbreak in its initial stages, and multiple revisions to the way official cases are counted. Residents on social media have demanded disciplinary action against top Wuhan officials.

Many people who died had Covid-19 symptoms, but weren’t tested and excluded from the official case tally, Caixin said. There were also patients who died of other diseases due to a lack of proper treatment when hospitals were overwhelmed dealing with those who had the coronavirus.

There were 56,007 cremations in Wuhan in the fourth quarter of 2019, according to data from the city’s civil affairs agency. The number of cremations was 1,583 higher than those in the fourth quarter of 2018 and 2,231 higher than the fourth quarter of 2017.

Mourning Restrictions
The families of the deceased may not be able to say a proper goodbye to their loved ones just yet. Wuhan’s government issued a statementon Thursday prohibiting individuals in the city from tomb-sweeping activities until April 30, meaning they would not be able to observe the traditional April 4 Ching Ming Festival, or tomb sweeping holiday. Other provinces including Guangxi and Zhejiang have also announced similar restrictions.

Two locals in Wuhan who have lost family members to the virus said online that they were informed they had to be accompanied by their employers or officials from neighborhood committees when picking up the urns, likely as a measure against public gatherings.

“I was told by district government to wait until further notice on when I can pick up my father’s ashes,” one Wuhan resident using the name “Xue Zai Shou Zhong,” meaning “snow in hand,” posted on Weibo. “There is a staggered arrangement for urn collecting.”

Another Weibo user using the handle Adagier said she lost her husband to the coronavirus and had since been contacted by police warning her not to be too emotional — and to stop posting online.

“I have only one demand,” she wrote. “I want to give my husband a proper burial as soon as possible.”
 
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The models predict 200,000 COVID deaths in the US by June 2020. I hope it is contained in China, if the Chinese are lying AGAIN its has grave implications for the whole world.
 
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This so-called 'China-expert' is not even on Gordon Chang's level. He doesn't even speak or understand Chinese and his personal history reflects that of a US intelligence operative.

https://www.nytimes.com/1985/10/02/us/stanford-president-upholds-doctoral-student-s-expulsion.html
Steven Mosher expelled from Stanford for ''illegal and seriously unethical conduct''

He is also a Bannon Ally:
https://www.pop.org/distinguished-team-launches-the-committee-on-the-present-danger-china/

[F]ounding members of the “Committee on the Present Danger: China” include: Brian Kennedy, chairman; Frank Gaffney, vice chairman; Hon. R. James Woolsey; Dr. William Bennett; Kyle Bass; Steve Bannon; Mark Helprin; Pastor Bob Fu; Kevin Freeman; Dr. Peter Pry; Dr. Sasha Gong; LTG William Boykin; Hon. Ed Timperlake; Dr. Mark Schneider; Richard Fisher; Amb. Hank Cooper; Lianchao Han; Dr. Michael Waller; Capt. James Fanell, USN (Ret.); Col./Dr. Lawrence Sellin, USA (Ret.); Dr. Dan Blumenthal; Steven Mosher; and Dr. Bradley Thayer.
 
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US China experts, what an oxymoron. After seeing how the democratic states fumbled one after the other, instead of examining the failure, they went on attacking, as if somehow this will make their loss seem more acceptable. This is getting pathetic with article after another of nothing but pure speculation and denial.
 
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The recent claims of the Communist Party of China (CPC) of “success” and “zero domestic transmissions” in the fight against the new coronavirus disease (COVID-19) are “propaganda” and “sheer fabrication,” according to American China expert and author Steven W. Mosher.

“It is sheer fabrication, no sturdier than the shoddy warehouses that were put up in a week to house the victims of the Wuhan virus,” wrote Mosher in an article on the website of the Population Research Institute, which he heads (pop.org).

Just the same, the CPC is holding out its dubious claim of total win over the Wuhan virus “as a model for other countries to follow,” complained Mosher, who’s regularly interviewed on CNN and other broadcast news media agencies on human rights and other issues on China.

“‘Learn from China’ is the latest Party line,” reported the China watcher.

“It is just one more piece of Chinese propaganda to add to the ever-growing pile of lies that Beijing has been telling these past three months.”

He called the CPC claim “fake news out of China.”

A demographer, social scientist, anthropologist and Chinese population expert, Mosher dismissed CPC’s claim it “has actually reduced the number of new cases to zero.”

Mosher wrote that the likelihood of zero transmission out of China’s 1.3 billion people “is about the same as the CPC discovering a cure for cancer, establishing a base on Mars and inventing faster-than-light interstellar travel—all on the same day,” Mosher wrote.


Celebrated, controversial
Mosher is a celebrated international scholar who became in 1979 the first American research student to conduct anthropological research in China after the Cultural Revolution. He exposed the forced abortions of women due to the CPC’s “one-child policy” and as a result, was barred from entering China again.

Mosher was also expelled from the PhD program of Stanford University, which became a controversy in the academic world. Critics said Stanford bowed down to Chinese pressure, but the university denied this and said Mosher was dropped because he violated research ethics and compromised the safety of his sources in China.

Those sources may have aided Mosher in contesting CPC’s claim of defeating the COVID-19 pandemic.

“What the Communist leadership… did was much simpler,” he wrote. “It simply directed doctors across China to stop diagnosing and reporting new cases of the disease. Overnight, new cases dropped to zero.”

He wrote there was “evidence that some local jurisdictions have been deliberately underreporting the number of patients who test positive for the virus.”Mosher added that the “warehouse hospitals” built overnight “have all been emptied out in a hurry, with many of the occupants sent home while reportedly still testing positive.”

He reported that in Beijing, hospitals have canceled “all elective procedures,” which he said should suggest they were coping with the influx of Covid-19 patients.“Finally,” he wrote, “at least one province is requiring all government documents to destroy all ‘documents and data’ they may have received concerning the epidemic.”

Mosher praised American and French attempts to come up with an antidote against COVID-19. Also a biologist, he called a recent French study showing chloroquine and azithromycin could stop the Wuhan virus “promising.”

But he said the “real enemy” is not the virus, but the CPC, “the corrupt and tyrannical system that, through its evil and incompetence, unleashed this plague around the world.”


Superiority complex
How China could hold out its “success” in allegedly stopping COVID-19 as a model for other countries to follow is due to its sense of superiority and history of self-delusion, according to Mosher.

In his latest book, “Bully of Asia: Why China’s Dream Is the New Threat to World Order” (2017, Regnery Publishing), Mosher takes readers to a quick survey of Chinese history to show how across the centuries, China has been obsessed with “hegemony” and lording it over others.

“In their obsession with hegemony the Chinese people have their own doctrine of manifest destiny,” Mosher writes. “For more than two thousand years, the Chinese considered themselves the geographical and geopolitical center of the world.”

The American author describes China’s worldview as “Sinocentric—even narcissistic.”

Mosher contrasts Sparta’s magnanimous victory over Athens during the Peloponnesian War (4 BC), with the Qun dynasty’s “Grand Unification” in the following century, and declares the goal of the latter was the “opposite”: Quin Shihuangdi (3 BC) “wanted to enslave the Chinese by subjugating their independent kingdoms to his own rule.”

“Utterly ruthless in his pursuit of power,” Mosher adds, “he was known for slaughtering surrendering armies—as well as Confucian scholars—to the last man.”

The Confucian reference is both crucial and ironical since, as Mosher points out, it was Confucius (5 BC) who had taught that the “Great Way” (righteousness leading to social harmony, “public spirited, crime free and even vaguely democratic,” in the scholar’s words), would pave the way for “datong,” or the “Great Unification,” which would allegedly put everything and everyone under “tianxia,” or All Under Heaven.“Great Uniformity” or “Great Tranquility” (in the translation of the famous Scottish Sinologist James Legge) has since been the vision of China’s procession of dynasties down to the CPC, Mosher declares.

“The latest iteration of the ancient Quin political culture—the People’s Republic of China—similarly longs to bring All Under Heaven… under its sway. And that is why it is so intransigent on Taiwan. And that is why it continues to make territorial demands in the South China Sea, in the East China Sea, on the Tibetan Plateau and elsewhere. Only through continuous expansion can the ideal of the ‘Great Uniformity’ be realized.”

https://lifestyle.inquirer.net/3601...mic-a-sheer-fabrication-says-us-china-expert/






Always remember that the americans also claimed that Iraq had WMD that could destroy Europe in 30 mins. That lie led to the death of over 1 million innocent Iraqis between 2003 and 2015. Can you ever really believe these guys?
 
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US China experts, what an oxymoron. After seeing how the democratic states fumbled one after the other, instead of examining the failure, they went on attacking, as if somehow this will make their loss seem more acceptable. This is getting pathetic with article after another of nothing but pure speculation and denial.

I suppose there is no cause to be concerned about a secondary wave in China? Is there?
 
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The recent claims of the Communist Party of China (CPC) of “success” and “zero domestic transmissions” in the fight against the new coronavirus disease (COVID-19) are “propaganda” and “sheer fabrication,” according to American China expert and author Steven W. Mosher.

“It is sheer fabrication, no sturdier than the shoddy warehouses that were put up in a week to house the victims of the Wuhan virus,” wrote Mosher in an article on the website of the Population Research Institute, which he heads (pop.org).

Just the same, the CPC is holding out its dubious claim of total win over the Wuhan virus “as a model for other countries to follow,” complained Mosher, who’s regularly interviewed on CNN and other broadcast news media agencies on human rights and other issues on China.

“‘Learn from China’ is the latest Party line,” reported the China watcher.

“It is just one more piece of Chinese propaganda to add to the ever-growing pile of lies that Beijing has been telling these past three months.”

He called the CPC claim “fake news out of China.”

A demographer, social scientist, anthropologist and Chinese population expert, Mosher dismissed CPC’s claim it “has actually reduced the number of new cases to zero.”

Mosher wrote that the likelihood of zero transmission out of China’s 1.3 billion people “is about the same as the CPC discovering a cure for cancer, establishing a base on Mars and inventing faster-than-light interstellar travel—all on the same day,” Mosher wrote.


Celebrated, controversial
Mosher is a celebrated international scholar who became in 1979 the first American research student to conduct anthropological research in China after the Cultural Revolution. He exposed the forced abortions of women due to the CPC’s “one-child policy” and as a result, was barred from entering China again.

Mosher was also expelled from the PhD program of Stanford University, which became a controversy in the academic world. Critics said Stanford bowed down to Chinese pressure, but the university denied this and said Mosher was dropped because he violated research ethics and compromised the safety of his sources in China.

Those sources may have aided Mosher in contesting CPC’s claim of defeating the COVID-19 pandemic.

“What the Communist leadership… did was much simpler,” he wrote. “It simply directed doctors across China to stop diagnosing and reporting new cases of the disease. Overnight, new cases dropped to zero.”

He wrote there was “evidence that some local jurisdictions have been deliberately underreporting the number of patients who test positive for the virus.”Mosher added that the “warehouse hospitals” built overnight “have all been emptied out in a hurry, with many of the occupants sent home while reportedly still testing positive.”

He reported that in Beijing, hospitals have canceled “all elective procedures,” which he said should suggest they were coping with the influx of Covid-19 patients.“Finally,” he wrote, “at least one province is requiring all government documents to destroy all ‘documents and data’ they may have received concerning the epidemic.”

Mosher praised American and French attempts to come up with an antidote against COVID-19. Also a biologist, he called a recent French study showing chloroquine and azithromycin could stop the Wuhan virus “promising.”

But he said the “real enemy” is not the virus, but the CPC, “the corrupt and tyrannical system that, through its evil and incompetence, unleashed this plague around the world.”


Superiority complex
How China could hold out its “success” in allegedly stopping COVID-19 as a model for other countries to follow is due to its sense of superiority and history of self-delusion, according to Mosher.

In his latest book, “Bully of Asia: Why China’s Dream Is the New Threat to World Order” (2017, Regnery Publishing), Mosher takes readers to a quick survey of Chinese history to show how across the centuries, China has been obsessed with “hegemony” and lording it over others.

“In their obsession with hegemony the Chinese people have their own doctrine of manifest destiny,” Mosher writes. “For more than two thousand years, the Chinese considered themselves the geographical and geopolitical center of the world.”

The American author describes China’s worldview as “Sinocentric—even narcissistic.”

Mosher contrasts Sparta’s magnanimous victory over Athens during the Peloponnesian War (4 BC), with the Qun dynasty’s “Grand Unification” in the following century, and declares the goal of the latter was the “opposite”: Quin Shihuangdi (3 BC) “wanted to enslave the Chinese by subjugating their independent kingdoms to his own rule.”

“Utterly ruthless in his pursuit of power,” Mosher adds, “he was known for slaughtering surrendering armies—as well as Confucian scholars—to the last man.”

The Confucian reference is both crucial and ironical since, as Mosher points out, it was Confucius (5 BC) who had taught that the “Great Way” (righteousness leading to social harmony, “public spirited, crime free and even vaguely democratic,” in the scholar’s words), would pave the way for “datong,” or the “Great Unification,” which would allegedly put everything and everyone under “tianxia,” or All Under Heaven.“Great Uniformity” or “Great Tranquility” (in the translation of the famous Scottish Sinologist James Legge) has since been the vision of China’s procession of dynasties down to the CPC, Mosher declares.

“The latest iteration of the ancient Quin political culture—the People’s Republic of China—similarly longs to bring All Under Heaven… under its sway. And that is why it is so intransigent on Taiwan. And that is why it continues to make territorial demands in the South China Sea, in the East China Sea, on the Tibetan Plateau and elsewhere. Only through continuous expansion can the ideal of the ‘Great Uniformity’ be realized.”

https://lifestyle.inquirer.net/3601...mic-a-sheer-fabrication-says-us-china-expert/

I work in Aus for Multinational company with parent company based in US. Company has impeccable record of protecting its employees despite taking an economical hit to its bottom line.

They are ok with employees in China branch to return to work with heavy social distancing restrictions after many weeks of working from home.

I would say will clear conscience that normality is slowly returning back in China.

Chinese fu**ed it up for all of us for sure. But at the moment they are getting out of it.
 
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Notorious liar and fraud with no credit to speak about the situation in China or China in general has baseless but to some people appealing opinion about China.

Paid American shills clap in unison.

Many such cases.
 
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China is a closed country. Even if china has been successful in containing this epidemic the fact is there has not been any independent verification of the stats and there is no possibility that there ever will be.
As such there will always be doubt and add to history of lies one has to err at the side of caution and assume chinese pronouncements are totally bogus and fantastical.
 
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