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China's Malacca dilemma: How India controls Indian Ocean chokepoints

I am not fond of enough with Indian military presence in Andaman and Nicobar, they are big power and any big power want to assert their influence including ASEAN and the three countries in Malaka. If anything, we should increase our own military power in Aceh and North Sumatra to check them, and prevent their ilegal incursion in which happened regularly.
One thing to be mention, India is the same with China they are aggressive and quite assertive

We are not a big power .
Like our PM said , India wasnt burden to anyone when we were poor and nor a threat to anyone when we acquires economic,technological or military capability.

But we arent afraid to anything nor we compromise on our national integrity or security .
Chinese are more powerful than us and we are not going to count anyone for our safety .

Regarding Nepal,Bhutan ,SL or Bangladesh .
We wont interfere anywhere unless they question our security .
Noone asked SL to allow Chinese nuke sub nwsr to our space facilities .

So it cut bothways .
For friends we are great friends , we wont interfere anywhere .
But for enemies , we will be worst one.
For that we wont count the loss
 
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Who is going to block Suez Canal, why? China? Your arguments are all over the place, first you claim Pakistan is going to blockade the Strait of Hormuz from Gwadar? Really? and piss off Iran and your Arab friends?
Do you know how many bases the US has in the middle east? Do you believe Pakistan will permit a Chinese military base on Pakistani soil - lol? Never going to happen. Even today Chinese CPEC presence of 20,000 workers isn't well tolerated by Islamic fundamentalist in Pakistan, Chinese military presence will send that lot over the edge. Groups like TTP have listed attacks against non Islamic presence in Pakistan in their manifesto.
When did I ever say Pakistan is going to blockade Straits of Hormuz?

Also, I am a Pakistani. I don't need to be whitesplained from a whitey on what Pakistan will or will not do.

I am talking hypothetically. Blocking the Malaccas won't do much to China but it will potentially throw the whole ASEAN region into turmoil.

We all know US war plans never go to fruition. Invading Iraq just cleared the way for it to become an Iranian proxy state. Syrian civil war flooded Europe with migrants. What's to say blocking the Malaccas won't throw the surrounding region into turmoil or into China's lap and screw up US interests?

Hypothetically speaking, blocking the Suez can really wreak havoc on Europe whether Russia or China were to do it.
 
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India can CAUSE serious disruption the chinease trade at Malacca

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India has a REAL BLUE WATER FLEET and is a serious Threat
 
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@Areesh isko check karo, is rangroot ko Imran Khan kay sharabi pan ka buhut pata hai.....Muti ID rat ....aap se kaisay bach gaya...

Ja pehle salala ka Rona to sharabi.India china border mai as such much nahi hai.we Indians will go.in mass if required.
 
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When did I ever say Pakistan is going to blockade Straits of Hormuz?

Also, I am a Pakistani. I don't need to be whitesplained from a whitey on what Pakistan will or will not do.

I am talking hypothetically. Blocking the Malaccas won't do much to China but it will potentially throw the whole ASEAN region into turmoil.

We all know US war plans never go to fruition. Invading Iraq just cleared the way for it to become an Iranian proxy state. Syrian civil war flooded Europe with migrants. What's to say blocking the Malaccas won't throw the surrounding region into turmoil or into China's lap and screw up US interests?

Hypothetically speaking, blocking the Suez can really wreak havoc on Europe whether Russia or China were to do it.

Sorry I mixed up your post with the Indus guy. Neither China nor Russia can block Suez canal.
1. There is no reason for them to attempt it.
2. Neither countries have enough strength or presence in or around the Suez to do it over serious resistance from Egypt, Suez represents 30% of Egypt's GDP.
 
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A very arrogant response, mostly bluster though. PLAN does not have the reach to strike the Indian Navy in Malacca strait. Unless you are still fantasizing about DongFeng BM strikes against Naval ships.

You may want to take a good look at a map, the Indians don't really have to use their Navy to block the strait,
They can simply air launch anti-ship missiles from the relative safety of their own skies.

What does 'safety of their own skies' mean in open war? They'll have to contest the PLAN. When they do, they will be defeated by 055 with longer range than their anti-ship missiles and PL-15 armed J-15 with longer range than their small little Mig-29s while the PLAN remains far out of range of their diesel conventional subs that can't reach the open ocean.

You are not going to do nothing .
In fact you cant do nothing.

We are not a blue water navy like US.But Indian Ocean is our turf .
Its all about how Chinese Navy can survive here

We can defeat IN directly or open up a ground front and defeat IA. Indian Ocean isn't your turf, it just has the name Indian in it.
India can CAUSE serious disruption the chinease trade at Malacca

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India has a REAL BLUE WATER FLEET and is a serious Threat

all I see are nonstealthy 1980's ships with few VLS systems. They might be able to threaten Bangladesh, not China.
 
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India has naval capabilities near the Indian Ocean chokepoints especially around the Malacca Strait which connects the Indian Ocean to the Western Pacific, these waters hold a lot of importance for China since it is a crucial route for energy and trade.

India had threatened a naval blockade of Pakistan previously during the 1971 war. New Delhi has never issued any such threat against Beijing. The Indian navy was reportedly placed on high alert following the Galwan Valley clash.

However, there was no official word on whether the Indian Navy was considering a blockade on Chinese shipping or whether it was considering interdicting Chinese tankers near the Andaman and Nicobar islands, or perhaps looking at diverting shipping traffic to and from China.


In June, reports hinted at chances of the United States moving its carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt into the Malacca Straits area in a show of support for India. In the same month, the Global Times was singing praises about China responding by carrying out Naval drills in the South China Sea.


China knows that it is on the backfoot in the Indian Ocean. Beijing knows that Malacca dilemma. India is in a position where it can monitor the traffic at the Malacca Straits or the Lombok and Sunda straits. It can put pressure on the movement of merchant ships while traffic in the high seas that is waters beyond 12 nautical miles from the coast cannot be impeded. This rule will not apply in the event of a war.

China's disadvantage in high seas becomes all the more grave in the South China Sea where China is fighting six countries. Eighty per cent of China's oil imports come through the Malacca Strait. It is also the route for a considerable amount of Chinese trade.

India has been strengthening its maritime cooperation with the Quad countries. In September for the first time, an American P-8 Poseidon long-range maritime patrol aircraft refuelled at an Indian base in the Andaman and Nicobar islands.

In October, New Delhi and Washington signed an agreement to expand military satellite information sharing. India is also planning to strengthen its maritime infrastructure. A deepwater port is being built on the great Nicobar island for $1.3 billion.

It is not for nothing that India is working towards building these naval capacities.

Stop joking and focus on defending India instead. Indian Navy is basically a brown water navy.
:coffee: :sarcastic: :sarcastic:
 
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What does 'safety of their own skies' mean in open war?

I mean Indian airspace over Andaman islands using air launched cruise missiles with a range of over 600 nm.
PLAN can't force project into Malacca or go anywhere near the Indian navy's Eastern fleet.
Not today, may be in the future when you add a few nuclear powered aircraft carriers to your fleet.
 
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A very arrogant response, mostly bluster though. PLAN does not have the reach to strike the Indian Navy in Malacca strait. Unless you are still fantasizing about DongFeng BM strikes against Naval ships.

You may want to take a good look at a map, the Indians don't really have to use their Navy to block the strait,
They can simply air launch anti-ship missiles from the relative safety of their own skies.

No. The legal procedure even during a war is to interdict the ship. Attacking civilian merchant ships with AShMs from afar will likely constitute war crimes. Also remember a significant chunk of merchant ships bound for China fly non-Chinese flags and/or are manned by non-Chinese sailors.
 
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I mean Indian airspace over Andaman islands using air launched cruise missiles with a range of over 600 nm.
PLAN can't force project into Malacca or go anywhere near the Indian navy's Eastern fleet.
Not today, may be in the future when you add a few nuclear powered aircraft carriers to your fleet.

What missile in Indian arsenal has 600 nm range and can target moving targets with electronic countermeasures, CIWS and missile defense?

Indian airspace is open in a war. Even Delhi is open. Any war against India where they use the navy is a total war.
 
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We are not a big power .
Like our PM said , India wasnt burden to anyone when we were poor and nor a threat to anyone when we acquires economic,technological or military capability.

But we arent afraid to anything nor we compromise on our national integrity or security .
Chinese are more powerful than us and we are not going to count anyone for our safety .

Regarding Nepal,Bhutan ,SL or Bangladesh .
We wont interfere anywhere unless they question our security .
Noone asked SL to allow Chinese nuke sub nwsr to our space facilities .

So it cut bothways .
For friends we are great friends , we wont interfere anywhere .
But for enemies , we will be worst one.
For that we wont count the loss
If you were not a burden on anyone then why was India the single biggest recipient of aid from the rest of the world in the last 65 years. Modi is lier and you guys are idiots for believing what he says.
 
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Meh, New Delhi is pretty close to the border. The latest Chinese long range MRLS has 500km range I believe? Constant rocket barrage can make life a bit inconvenient.

I trust India won't do something so stupid to escalate things to that point. Trying to stop shipping to China being one of them.
 
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