China's first self-developed computer with domestically-made CPU and operating system rolls off production line in Guangdong

[FairAndUnbiased]

Was the arm CPU and chips designed and made by China? Not much of a break through if it uses foreign chip sets and OS.

ARM is an instruction set architecture. it is not the physical chip layout. Everyone picks one of the common ones because commercially it is more important to have something that actually can work in an ecosystem. For example Alibaba's XT RISC-V processor is one of the fastest in the world yet still has no commercial applications because the RISC-V ecosystem is highly limited.

ARM can't really be taken away either, since Huawei and all the other majors own ARM permanent licenses.

 

[My-Analogous]

China's self-developed computer, Tianyue, rolls off the production line in Guangdong. Tianyue is China's first computer with domestically-made CPU and operating system.

They must made production plant here in Pakistan and Pakistan will become hub to supply whole Middle east and Africa

 

[jamahir]

When is India rolling your first OS and CPU?

For some years I have been designing my own CPU ( SoC type ) and it will possibly take another year for the first prototype. And then the OS will be written and I will not port Linux for it.

Spare us your disingenious crap show.

In your "factual terms" and by your "reasonable argumentation" Google nor Android Inc designed Android OS because its "just another Linux distro".
In your "factual terms" and by your "reasonable argumentation" AMD is wrong claiming they design processors because they "just apply British ARM architecture".
In your "factual terms" and by your "reasonable argumentation" Intel is wrong claiming they design processors because they "just apply British ARM architecture".
Following your "reasonable argumentation" in your "factual terms" ARM is not actually a British design but just "applied Austrian teachings"
Following your "reasonable argumentation" in your "factual terms" ARM is not actually a British design but an application of "French design philosophy"

We all know your cognitive dissonance routine to deny the fact that Chinese designed those products. We all know of your routine to poker for ignorance whenever you repeat this bullshit or reluctance of people to call you out on it, especially because trolls like you usually dont even know what you are actually talking about and just parott these phrases from biased media propaganda feeding your complex. Its just rethoric bullshit that can be spun to "question" novelity of every technology in existence if you just dig long enough.

You Indian trolls dont pull this bullshit with any nations or people you worship. Quite to the opposite. You Indian trolls let any "white sirs" claim to have innovated something slide and grant credit to "white sirs" companies as true innovators, when they are doing the exact same as their Chinese counterparts you dismiss as not "actually" designing and developing any new technology.

In fact we keep seeing you make extra leaps to cover for them, switching to arbitrary terms like "Western" inventions or "Western" design, which if necessary even extends to Japan, Russia and Israel, whenever some of your idolized "white sirs" claim lead or ownership of a design or concept, that is utilizing or is based of prexisting designs and concepts from another nation or even when its copied or straight out stolen IP from other countries, so its easier hide that they are doing the exact same as China behind some proxy terms obfuscating that there are routinely dozen of different countries designs embedded in pretty much every new "design" and your double standards to not ever apply your retarded "reasoning" to them.

Dont give us this dumb and disingenious Indian crapshow in every and only Chinese tech threads and then talk about "fair".

Please read ( my ) post# 21.

 

[Han Patriot]

For some years I have been designing my own CPU ( SoC type ) and it will possibly take another year for the first prototype. And then the OS will be written and I will not port Linux for it.



Please read ( my ) post# 21.

Wow, supapowa indeed. You design your own OS n processor, yet every single shit your country buys is from China or US. Lololol. Delusional to the highest extent.

 

[ps3linux]

I suppose all aircraft carriers have the same basic elements but what if a new Chinese AC had a rail gun or laser gun of entirely Chinese design or some new type of power generation or a new type of propulsion ?

India and China have many computer science students graduating out of colleges every year. Many of them will be electronics engineers and many will be software. And this has been so for many years now. So from both countries why has been there not a single instance of the two foundational elements of a computer : the CPU and OS ?



Please see above reply.



It's been some months since you made the announcement. How is it going ?



@ps3linux @fitpOsitive @Zibago

You have been designing an SoC/MCU for a while, you would know well that development of a CPU from scratch is a daunting task requires long term commitment, huge investment and lots and lots of trial and error, I don't have the temerity to convince propaganda bot otherwise than their official stance.

It is tough to develop an OS from ground up, the only true OS I know of is Unix, everything else is either a cheap RIP off (microsh*t) or descendant linux, BSD, etc, etc. Same challenges as above and huge investment, debugging with a known instruction set.

But when we add a new instruction set and a new OS, well we are looking at at-least a decade and change timeline while the other challenges remain.

I do remember about two years ago Chinese domestically developed CPU was at par with a pentium II and if I am not wrong it used the same instruction set, I may be wrong about the instruction set.

About this project its most likely based upon a licensed ARM core, or a purchased older model with local development and most likely a linux offshoot. There is room for a newer CPU, instruction set and OS but the challenges are monumental there were two outstanding OSes I saw OS2 warp and Be-OS both failed OS2 due to typical IBM arrogance and Be-OS was deliberately destroyed by the larger a**holes.

If any single country can do it it would be Chinese they have the resources, all that is required is the long term commitment and huge investment.

 

[jamahir]

You have been designing an SoC/MCU for a while, you would know well that development of a CPU from scratch is a daunting task requires long term commitment, huge investment and lots and lots of trial and error, I don't have the temerity to convince propaganda bot otherwise than their official stance.

It is tough to develop an OS from ground up, the only true OS I know of is Unix, everything else is either a cheap RIP off (microsh*t) or descendant linux, BSD, etc, etc. Same challenges as above and huge investment, debugging with a known instruction set.

But when we add a new instruction set and a new OS, well we are looking at at-least a decade and change timeline while the other challenges remain.

I do remember about two years ago Chinese domestically developed CPU was at par with a pentium II and if I am not wrong it used the same instruction set, I may be wrong about the instruction set.

About this project its most likely based upon a licensed ARM core, or a purchased older model with local development and most likely a linux offshoot. There is room for a newer CPU, instruction set and OS but the challenges are monumental there were two outstanding OSes I saw OS2 warp and Be-OS both failed OS2 due to typical IBM arrogance and Be-OS was deliberately destroyed by the larger a**holes.

If any single country can do it it would be Chinese they have the resources, all that is required is the long term commitment and huge investment.

I have seen screenshots of BeOS before and it seems clean. And from reading about it from that time the OS supposedly had a reliable file system and the OS was supposedly good for multimedia.

But of all the OSes I know about I believe QNX Neutrino to be the best. It is microkernel-based with message passing as IPC and has the Adaptive Partitioning feature to ensure that a certain set of programs ( like networking - TCP/IP and Ethernet drivers ) do not eat away the execution cycles at the cost of others. This comes handy when say there is a network attack on a machine but the Partitioning does not hang the machine because the non-network programs have been alloted some cycles too.

About Microsoft, I think XP was the best in terms of UI and general usability. I say this of course with the background that I haven't used MS for many years and have been using pen-drive-bootable Linux ( like Slax now ) to use the machine. So I don't know about Windows 7 and so on.

About developing an OS from scratch, inspired by QNX some years ago I had written a basic OS. It didn't have memory protection and timeslicing but had message passing, UNIX-like signals ( async notifications / program control ), timers and a few keyboard commands. I and a financing partner started a company to commercially develop this OS but the company closed down for a non-technological reason. Nevertheless, developing another OS is not an impossible task for me for the new SoC / MPU.

But you are right. Designing a processor is a long-term commitment. It has taken me years to think of a simplified, RISC instruction set, and then there was the question of what hardware interfaces to have ( the SoC part ) which I have narrowed down to USB ( to implement 3.x or 4.0 ), display, speaker ( which can double up as DAC ) and mic ( which can double up as ADC ). And then there is the GPU part which I am still studying and which will take months.

Some days ago I had mailed two American companies to inquire about certain battery tech and memory tech. I received encouraging news from the battery company. Yet to hear from the memory company.

I want to start a company whose product will not only be the SoC but also a portable ( or wearable ) computer in which the SoC is used.

And yes, you are right about SoC / MPU implementation taking time and trial and error. The basic element I will need is a FPGA board and to obtain that I will have to approach a venture capital company.

About the Chinese, they have the resources but their processor implementations have been SPARC or MIPS or ARM or now RISC-V.

In India there is an ongoing competition called "Swadeshi Microprocessor Challenge" organized by the Ministry of IT ( MeitY ) which called for individuals or groups to use the Shakti processor ( RISC-V ) or the Vega processor ( some other foreign design I suppose ) and implement them on Xilinx FPGAs provided by the ministry for various applications ( either from the provided list or some other ). I had inquired with the organizers and they said that since my is a separate design I will have to use my own resources.

 

[Paul2]

I do remember about two years ago Chinese domestically developed CPU was at par with a pentium II and if I am not wrong it used the same instruction set, I may be wrong about the instruction set.

There are two domestic microarchitectures Loongson family (2004-current,) and XBurst from Ingenics. Everybody else, as I know, are buying/licensing their cores.

Hangzhou-based C-SKY had an own ISA, and a microarchitecture, but the company was bought by Alibaba who then ceased its development. What a waste. They had 2.5DMIPS/Mhz cores with impressive power efficiency, what Alibaba's Honeybadger has now on a licensed, and shoddily synthesized core is only 0-5-0.7DMIPS/Mhz and 1W+ power consumption.

For example Alibaba's XT RISC-V processor is one of the fastest in the world yet still has no commercial applications because the RISC-V ecosystem is highly limited.

What an irony. They had C-SKY, which had both licensees, healthy sales, and actual silicon being sold left and right. I myself had a settop box with NationalChip GX6605S which used C-SKY cores.

 

[ps3linux]

I have seen screenshots of BeOS before and it seems clean. And from reading about it from that time the OS supposedly had a reliable file system and the OS was supposedly good for multimedia.

But of all the OSes I know about I believe QNX Neutrino to be the best. It is microkernel-based with message passing as IPC and has the Adaptive Partitioning feature to ensure that a certain set of programs ( like networking - TCP/IP and Ethernet drivers ) do not eat away the execution cycles at the cost of others. This comes handy when say there is a network attack on a machine but the Partitioning does not hang the machine because the non-network programs have been alloted some cycles too.

About Microsoft, I think XP was the best in terms of UI and general usability. I say this of course with the background that I haven't used MS for many years and have been using pen-drive-bootable Linux ( like Slax now ) to use the machine. So I don't know about Windows 7 and so on.

About developing an OS from scratch, inspired by QNX some years ago I had written a basic OS. It didn't have memory protection and timeslicing but had message passing, UNIX-like signals ( async notifications / program control ), timers and a few keyboard commands. I and a financing partner started a company to commercially develop this OS but the company closed down for a non-technological reason. Nevertheless, developing another OS is not an impossible task for me for the new SoC / MPU.

But you are right. Designing a processor is a long-term commitment. It has taken me years to think of a simplified, RISC instruction set, and then there was the question of what hardware interfaces to have ( the SoC part ) which I have narrowed down to USB ( to implement 3.x or 4.0 ), display, speaker ( which can double up as DAC ) and mic ( which can double up as ADC ). And then there is the GPU part which I am still studying and which will take months.

Some days ago I had mailed two American companies to inquire about certain battery tech and memory tech. I received encouraging news from the battery company. Yet to hear from the memory company.

I want to start a company whose product will not only be the SoC but also a portable ( or wearable ) computer in which the SoC is used.

And yes, you are right about SoC / MPU implementation taking time and trial and error. The basic element I will need is a FPGA board and to obtain that I will have to approach a venture capital company.

About the Chinese, they have the resources but their processor implementations have been SPARC or MIPS or ARM or now RISC-V.

In India there is an ongoing competition called "Swadeshi Microprocessor Challenge" organized by the Ministry of IT ( MeitY ) which called for individuals or groups to use the Shakti processor ( RISC-V ) or the Vega processor ( some other foreign design I suppose ) and implement them on Xilinx FPGAs provided by the ministry for various applications ( either from the provided list or some other ). I had inquired with the organizers and they said that since my is a separate design I will have to use my own resources.

Our final year project was an IBM sponsored one our research was based upon IBM architecture the AS400 and the blackbox machines and their CPU, I dont want to go into the nitty gritties but it was one hell of a CPU, our work laid the foundation which was later utilized by the STI consortium and resulted in IBM cell core / PS3 machines and RoadRunner Super Computer.

Its a pity while IBM excelled in research and solid architecture they lost in marketing due to stupid/arrogant executives. Some of the dumbest people I ever came across at key posts was at IBM, got the offer from IBM a year late otherwise would have been in my core expertise area i.e; hardware design.