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China’s FC-31 has yet to prove itself a match for the US F-35 it copied

I agree Lockheed have pedigree in making good fighter jets but even established weapons manufacturers, like Lockheed, can make turkeys, especially when they chew off more than they can swallow.

F-22 has never been tested in real combat when there have been ample opportunities to do so, which can only mean there's a serious flaw with the F-22. The US only made very limited numbers too of F-22s which further strengthens the argument that the F-22 does not do what is says it can do.

F-35 you can say is at best a black-hole money-pit and at worst a complete and utter disaster that may never fully come to fruition as a viable 5th gen platform. Sure it's got great technology in it but the difficulties in melding it all into a cohesive fighter is widely documented and many issues still plague it.

So I stick by my earlier comments and say F-22 and F-35 are as unproven as any Chinese fighter jet China is currently developing. The so called experts that decide which jet is better are full of hot air and only making their best guess and usually very biased ones. China don't release any sensitive data about their systems so any comparison is guess work.



Just keep believing in your exceptionalism!

All empires fall because the people in them delude themselves that their supremacy is eternal.

China will just slowly and quietly work out how to kick your arrogant butts. They are patient people.


Hi,

I would not trust those reports even if my life DID NOT depend on them. Just like those reports in 1st gulf war---American tans will fail---American helicopters will not fly because their air filters will choke out----and stupid people believe those reports of disinformation.

Here is how the WHITEYS work----they are always over critical and over prepared of their capabilities---. They firmly believe in PROMISE LESS DELIVER MORE---.

Let no one be fooled that the F 22 or the F35 would fail under any combat situation---. all this misinformation campaign is purely for entrapment.


And the empire of the U S will not fall SOON----because there is still justice---goodness---help to the weak and the poor exists---. The people and land still provide opportunity to one and to all.

The community is progressive and thinking ability is still open---the minds still accept knew philosophies and the americans are still open to new ideas and new prospects
 
Mind your words, Major. Please change the "have" to "had" and add "a lot" behind "copying"....


China steals, Corporal. Period. They don't create. And that's why they'll ALWAYS be a step or two behind. Has a Chinese designed and flown plane EVER engaged in combat ? You guys don't know what you don't know.:usflag:
 
Just keep believing in your exceptionalism!
All empires fall because the people in them delude themselves that their supremacy is eternal.

China will just slowly and quietly work out how to kick your arrogant butts. They are patient people.

lol, I don't think I ever said the US's supremacy is eternal. Nothing is eternal. However, the QUALITY of US weapons is MUCH, MUCH better :usflag: :cheers: :haha: :enjoy:

China steals, Corporal. Period. They don't create. And that's why they'll ALWAYS be a step or two behind. Has a Chinese designed and flown plane EVER engaged in combat ? You guys don't know what you don't know.:usflag:

You are being too nice. Its more like a mile or two, vs. a step or two :victory1:
 
China steals, Corporal. Period. They don't create. And that's why they'll ALWAYS be a step or two behind. Has a Chinese designed and flown plane EVER engaged in combat ? You guys don't know what you don't know.:usflag:

Chinese designed? I heard that JF-17 has been battle proven by bombing AQ in Pakistan. Is it true? If it's true, then it's been battle proven. If you talk about J-31, then yes. It hasn't engaged in combat. but... Did you really means FC-31 / J-31? don't you know that it still in development phase? Are you... ah, whatever.
 
Amazing how shortsighted you really are...:lol:

Think about it for a moment. Small diameter bomb. Why do you think we developed the thing in the first place ? Because the more accurate the bomb, by anyway possible, the less the need to have the larger version. So if we have now an SDB of 110kg, why not a more accurate and smaller bomb in the future ?

JSF officials said the SDB II was not intended to integrate onto the Marine Corps variant before 2022 and therefore “not an issue or problem.”
Just like the rest of the Chinese here, you do not read your own source.

F-22 has never been tested in real combat when there have been ample opportunities to do so, which can only mean there's a serious flaw with the F-22. The US only made very limited numbers too of F-22s which further strengthens the argument that the F-22 does not do what is says it can do.
Not only is that criticism presumptuous, illogical but also nonsensical.

Say you claim that you can do the 100 meters in 10 secs. But if I argue that since you never raced that mean you cannot run 100 meters at all, would you see that as silly ? Of course you would.

The US have the best -- bar none -- air combat training regiment in the world. Your China does not even come half way thorough. Top Gun or Red Flag usually have one day where pilots have only two rules:

- No live weapons
- Hard deck of 10,000 ft.

That is as close to combat as ANY fighter pilot can get without actually going into combat. The F-22 have gone up against opponents under these rules and consistently prevailed. You think any Chinese pilot can RTB against an F-22 with live weapons ?
 
Amazing how shortsighted you really are...:lol:

Think about it for a moment. Small diameter bomb. Why do you think we developed the thing in the first place ? Because the more accurate the bomb, by anyway possible, the less the need to have the larger version. So if we have now an SDB of 110kg, why not a more accurate and smaller bomb in the future ?


Just like the rest of the Chinese here, you do not read your own source.


Not only is that criticism presumptuous, illogical but also nonsensical.

Say you claim that you can do the 100 meters in 10 secs. But if I argue that since you never raced that mean you cannot run 100 meters at all, would you see that as silly ? Of course you would.

The US have the best -- bar none -- air combat training regiment in the world. Your China does not even come half way thorough. Top Gun or Red Flag usually have one day where pilots have only two rules:

- No live weapons
- Hard deck of 10,000 ft.

That is as close to combat as ANY fighter pilot can get without actually going into combat. The F-22 have gone up against opponents under these rules and consistently prevailed. You think any Chinese pilot can RTB against an F-22 with live weapons ?

BS.

Apple Inc. today announced it's next gen iPhone22. It will be more advanced than any other competitors within 50 years.

iPhone22 will be produced 187 pieces and used by Apple stuffs only and will not sell to the market.

iPhone22, redefine a phone, a legend of its-own.

--Reuters, US news, Apr.1 1996
 
More Money, More Problems: F-35 Software Overwhelmed With False Alarms

New problems - namely, false alarms from overly sensitive threat-detecting sensors - have arisen with the beleaguered F-35 aircraft, so far the most expensive, and problem-ridden, piece of military equipment in US history.

The sensors on the fighter that are supposed to detect threats — like incoming missiles — often don't know what they're detecting and are returning a high rate of false alarms, Breaking Defense reports. In addition, it is proving difficult to integrate the "threat" data into the fighter's onboard software.

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In order to make the alerts more accurate, the plane's system will require highly complex sets of files — called a "threat library" — which then must be incorporated into the onboard system. Creating that "library" requires coordination of data from all across the military's intelligence community, a highly complex operation in itself.

The 2014 annual report by the director of Operational Test and Evaluation, Dr. J. Michael Gilmore concluded that, despite improvements to the software, “fusion of information from own-ship sensors, as well as fusion of information from off-board sensors is still deficient. The Distributed Aperture System continues to exhibit high false-alarm rates and false target tracks, and poor stability performance, even in later versions of software.”

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Thomas Lawhead, a civilian involved in integrating the F-35 for the Air Force, agreed that the fighter's warning system “is still a little too sensitive,” and that the threat information probably won't be ready until just before the planes are scheduled to become operational.

There are different versions of the fighter being developed and the one scheduled to be operational first is the Marine's F-35B which is slated to debut in the summer of 2015. The Navy's is currently expected in 2018, if all goes well.

"Flying Swiss Army Knife" to Cost $1 Trillion

But if history is any guide, there's plenty of reason to believe all will not go well. Since the program to develop the fighter jet began in 2001, it has seen costs soar even as deadlines are pushed back repeatedly. Senator John McCain (R-AZ) — hardly known as an outspoken critic of the military — called the program “one of the great national scandals that we have ever had, as far as the expenditure of taxpayers’ dollars are concerned.”

The program has already nearly doubled its original budget to $400 billion dollars in spending — making it the most expensive plane in history. And that doesn't take into account the $5 billion or so the military has spent to extend the existing fleets this plane was supposed to replace or the $650 billion or so in maintenance costs the Government Accountability Office has estimated will be necessary, which would bring the total cost to well over $1 trillion dollars over the next few decades.

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Taxpayer Watchdog Says US F-35 Aircraft Program Unjustified, Unaffordable

Many attribute the difficulties of the program with the overzealous demands from all branches of the military to incorporate features to suit their particular needs all in one plane, with some calling it the Flying Swiss Army Knife. The F-35 is supposed to be a bomber, a fighter, and capable of performing ground support, but some of those capabilities have contradictory needs. Add to it a load of highly complex computer systems and by trying to please everyone, it may end up performing for no one.

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Ottawa test pilot taking a flight on the incredible #F35


In 2008 the RAND corporation — a think tank that works closely with the US military — reported on a series of war simulations involving the F-35 and their analysis was leaked to the press with its pessimistic conclusions. “Inferior acceleration, inferior climb [rate], inferior sustained turn capability,” the analysts wrote. “Also has lower top speed. Can’t turn, can’t climb, can’t run.”

Just recently, another software related error was announced, which means that the fighter won't be able to fire its primary guns until 2019. It will also not have the necessary software to operate one of its precision guided bombs until 2022.


F-35 Fighter: $400 Billion and the Guns Don't Work?


There's also been a lot of concern over the possibility that this supposed state-of-the-art stealth fighter — supposedly designed to evade detection through its size and special coatings — isn't actually very stealthy. Reports in 2014 indicated that the F-35 might actually be vulnerable to Chinese and Russian advances in radar technology.

The planes were also rushed into production before design was even completed, meaning the military has spent billions of fixing already produced aircraft that were faulty.

"This will make a headline if I say it, but I'm going to say it anyway," Frank Kendall, a top Pentagon official, said in 2012. "Putting the F-35 into production years before the first test flight was acquisition malpractice. It should not have been done."
 

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