China wishes to shift industries to Pakistan: Iqbal

[CHD]

You got the first part right. But not the second one......the Chinese economy is slowing down and India will be the 1st economy in the next couple of decades. The US and the West would put in a lot of $$ to make this happen. But nevertheless, Pakistan will still climb to the top 10th or 11th spot. The only caveat is that a democratically elected system, no terrorism, peace and stability need to continue for the next two decades without any interruptions!!

Currently the west is only interested in selling them weapons, and india can never reach the level of china due to india vast majority of different demographics and religions diferences, plus all of the south asians are corrupted to the core and will remain so atleast in the 21st century

 

[ADITYA MAYUKH]

Currently the west is only interested in selling them weapons, and india can never reach the level of china due to india vast majority of different demographics and religions diferences, plus all of the south asians are corrupted to the core and will remain so atleast in the 21st century

you are saying that india cant reach the level of china because it is corrupt but FYK china is more corrupt than india and as per the recent trends china's economy is in a dismal not india's we are growing fast and growing strong. No offence BTW.

 

[Christopher]

Chines Industry means jobs,
it means supportive industry as well
it means prosperity
a Happy & stable Pakistan
Amen

 

[911]

Pakistan has over 120 million young males between the ages of 15-22

Nope

 

[Viper0011.]

Nope

Do you have any facts or just a jealousy filled statements? When you comment on something and contradict, list proofs. Otherwise, go hug one of your family members and cry. Don't waste my time or others with useless responses please!!

I gave you some rough figures. Here's the break down of the population I was mentioning, people who can work, that is. And its well over 120 million people. I just used a rough figure to quantify the large growth ahead and why....

Remember, this was done three years ago. So the 14 years old have turned 17 by now and can work (like 17-18 years old work in the West also). Next time, don't just write a response, provide proofs to your stand also:

Age structure:
0-14 years: 33.3% (male 33,595,949/female 31,797,766)
15-24 years: 21.5% (male 21,803,617/female 20,463,184)
25-54 years: 35.7% (male 36,390,119/female 33,632,395)
55-64 years: 5.1% (male 5,008,681/female 5,041,434)
65 years and over: 4.3% (male 3,951,190/female 4,490,045) (2014 est.)

 

[911]

Do you have any facts or just a jealousy filled statements? When you comment on something and contradict, list proofs. Otherwise, go hug one of your family members and cry. Don't waste my time or others with useless responses please!!

I gave you some rough figures. Here's the break down of the population I was mentioning, people who can work, that is. And its well over 120 million people. I just used a rough figure to quantify the large growth ahead and why....

Remember, this was done three years ago. So the 14 years old have turned 17 by now and can work (like 17-18 years old work in the West also). Next time, don't just write a response, provide proofs to your stand also:

Age structure:
0-14 years: 33.3% (male 33,595,949/female 31,797,766)
15-24 years: 21.5% (male 21,803,617/female 20,463,184)
25-54 years: 35.7% (male 36,390,119/female 33,632,395)
55-64 years: 5.1% (male 5,008,681/female 5,041,434)
65 years and over: 4.3% (male 3,951,190/female 4,490,045) (2014 est.)

Not being jealous, just saw something factualy incorrect so responded. If there are total of 95m males in Pakistan then how can there be 120m males within 15-22 ages. But now you have edited your post.

Even though a total of 42m people (males+females) are between 15-22 aprox.

 

[Echo_419]

Huh?

I guess that's why the guy I elected last time is called the "HK Chief Executive".

I'm not even joking, that's actually what we call the leader of HK, the Chief Executive.

LOL

I've been saying this for two years now (even with so much negativity I used to get from both, Pakistanis and Indians ). And Now this is ALL coming together .

Pakistan will go right above or below Australia in economic rankings in the next 10-12 years. Granted peace, stability, democracy remain working and the terrorism mess is all cleaned up.

The Chinese labor is aging and have become more expensive. Pakistan has over 120 million young people between the ages of 15-22 and 60% of the adults from this pool, have basic education and about 35 million with college degrees.So China will capitalize on this labor pool.

China's main issue remains English and other languages compared to India. Pakistan doesn't have that issue as English is spoken widely in the country and a small course can bring people up to speed as its not a new language to them. So China plans on using the Pakistani labor and will setup the base to compete against India's labor market. One of the MAIN reasons why India is hell bent in stopping and destroying the CPEC project at all costs.

So the Pakistanis will be getting a LOT of investments and training and manufacturing business from China in the years to come. By the end of 2030, the estimates are that the CPEC would've crossed a Trillion in investments and would be producing over $ 300 billion of revenues per year from all trade and business activities, which essentially doubles up the Pakistani economy within ten years. Not to mention that this is just China specific. Add trade with the US, Europe, Canada and other countries. The Pakistani economy after 2025 will be moving towards a 2.5 Trillion mark

I am more worried about the Automation thing

 

[jupiter2007]

All the development is taking place in Lahore and rest of Pakistan is neglected.
Pakistan should develop all the coastal cities in Balochitan.....built massive infrastructure, build industries in Balochitan, it will help relocating people from Southern punjab and upper Sindh to Balochistan.

Can you imagine if all the coastal cites (Gwadar, Jhirk, Jiwani, Keti, Ormara, Pasni, Pishukan, Shahbandar) are devloped in Pakistan?

 

[krash]

All the development is taking place in Lahore and rest of Pakistan is neglected.
Pakistan should develop all the coastal cities in Balochitan.....built massive infrastructure, build industries in Balochitan, it will help relocating people from Southern punjab and upper Sindh to Balochistan.

Can you imagine if all the coastal cites (Gwadar, Jhirk, Jiwani, Keti, Ormara, Pasni, Pishukan, Shahbandar) are devloped in Pakistan?

Pray do tell what CPEC or non-CPEC federal investments are being made in Lahore that should be made in Balochistan instead. No seriously, you must. Also, kindly refrain from spreading political bull-excreta based on misinformation designed to create divides. The investments being made in Lahore are from Punjab's provincial budget and as such are being stolen from other parts of Punjab, Balochistan has no claim to them.

Also, the supposed coastal "cities" that you mentioned are barely towns. None of them has a population more than 30,000 while some of them are actual villages. You want them to be developed into massively developed cities? How? Why? On what basis? What are those coastal cities going to give Pakistan?

You can't just go building infrastructure willy-nilly (something which the current government is guilty off). If you want to build any industry anywhere you need to first have support for it right there (raw materials, energy, human resources, etc., etc.). For example, you can't expect to build Faisalabad's textile industry in Turbat when the crops being produced are in Punjab and Sindh! Neither can you just build a city and then expect people to migrate to it. Especially when you already have existing cities in Balochistan which require tons of attention. It's just silly....

You need a support base for any sort of development. Gawadar is a brilliant start, owing to it possessing the potential and the support base for becoming a massive trade hub. Next should come oil refineries in areas adjacent to the CPEC for the crude that China is going to import via this route. Then the mining industry in Balochistan's mineral rich regions, and so on and so forth.

 

[sohail.ishaque]

I wish China set up Metro train industry in Pakistan. In this way, we will be able to make our own metro train

Is there anything else other then the metro train in the life of a Pakistani ???? i mean i don't know why but Metro is on the minds of Pakistanis, i don't know why, there are much needed problems to b taken care of before the Metro, but our life and death is Metro and Metro only

 

[jupiter2007]

Pray do tell what CPEC or non-CPEC federal investments are being made in Lahore that should be made in Balochistan instead. No seriously, you must. Also, kindly refrain from spreading political bull-excreta based on misinformation designed to create divides. The investments being made in Lahore are from Punjab's provincial budget and as such are being stolen from other parts of Punjab, Balochistan has no claim to them.

Also, the supposed coastal "cities" that you mentioned are barely towns. None of them has a population more than 30,000 while some of them are actual villages. You want them to be developed into massively developed cities? How? Why? On what basis? What are those coastal cities going to give Pakistan?

You can't just go building infrastructure willy-nilly (something which the current government is guilty off). If you want to build any industry anywhere you need to first have support for it right there (raw materials, energy, human resources, etc., etc.). For example, you can't expect to build Faisalabad's textile industry in Turbat when the crops being produced are in Punjab and Sindh! Neither can you just build a city and then expect people to migrate to it. Especially when you already have existing cities in Balochistan which require tons of attention. It's just silly....

You need a support base for any sort of development. Gawadar is a brilliant start, owing to it possessing the potential and the support base for becoming a massive trade hub. Next should come oil refineries in areas adjacent to the CPEC for the crude that China is going to import via this route. Then the mining industry in Balochistan's mineral rich regions, and so on and so forth.

Rome wasn't built in one day......this is not 5 year plan. It will take Gawadar at least 5-10 years to develop, other cities can take 20-25 years. There is obvioustly advantage of having coastal cities, ask this to a land lock country.?
Current government is corrupt and completely incompetent.

Coastal cities are good for the following reason
1. Building new cities with better infrastructure (you wont' have to remove half the city population to build orange lane)
2. Second and third option to the Navy (Enemy can't block trade route)
3. Ability to build navy units (Karachi, Gawadr, Pasni, Ormani)
4. Will increase Import export business (MQM/PPP won't be able to take bride/Bhata from every Coastal city)
5. Trade route immediately set up between costal cities
6. Shipping ports will improve economy - Car Manufacturing, Sea food, Textile Industry can be build in Port cities.
7. Access to Fresh Seafood - Export seafood to Middle east.
8. Meat processing plant to export meat to other countries.

Here is my take in this.....
We need honest and competed government which can allocate the funds for the development projects.
(Not like PPP Sheila Raza, spending development funds on Sex parties in UAE, and PPP money laundering money outside the Pakistan using Pakistani actresses and Models)


1. Extremism:

Pakistan's main problem is self grown Extremism.
A. Make laws to control the Jihadi Narrative
B. Control the funding of Madares.
C. Create a Islamic supreme council to help teach the true Islam to people (Not Bidat and Shrik taught by some Islamic channels)
D. Under the guidence from Islamic Supreme Council (Shura), setup and National Madressa Board (NMB)

National Madressa board should work with The Institute of Islamic Values and Arabic-language, a Islamic research Instituted founded and control by Pakistani government, to create, authorize and implement standard Madressa Curriculum (SMC) which should include Quranic education, Arabic language, Social studies (Pakistan History), Mathematics, Science and Computer courses. South African Islamic institutes have built a similar curriculum for their Seminaries.

The Institute of Islamic Values and Arabic-language need to be established to create a Islamic utopia and build the society based on Moderate Islamic principles. This government based institute's primary responsibility will be to education the masses about Islam which was sent by Allah (swt) and preached by Nabi Kareem (Saw). This institute will use all different mediums (TV channels, Social Media, Internet, live Lectures) to educate people about real Islam. The ultimate goal of this institute will be to control and stop the un-Islamic practices that have become the part of our religion due to lack of real knowledge about Islam. If it's done correctly, we should see significant decrease in extremism, in shirk and bidaat practices, for example, celebrating Urs, making sajda to the qabar/graves, making dua to the dead, fake peer/muridi culture. We should also see religious tolerance which means No violence against religious minorities, Shia, Hindus, Sikh, etc. This should pressure government to reform of the controversial blasphemy laws.

E. Government must assigned a qualified individual as a Federal Minister for the Ministry of Religious Affairs. (Not Jahil Jali doctor like the one from Jahil online)

2. Economy:

A. Improve current economic situation
B. Privatization and free market economics
C. Reduce government overspending
D. reduce Load Sheading / eliminate power theft.
E. Develop local industries.
F. Reduce Inflation
G. Reduce Unemployment
H. Abolish medieval feudal system of Pakistan ("Feudalism has to be abolished if the country is to prosper for all, and in peace.")
I. Devalued Currency - stop borrowing money for fake projects.


3. Government:
A. Eliminate Corruption/ cut-overheard
B. Unity, internal cohesion and political stability

Internal cohesion and political stability are the products of a participatory political process that is broad-based, transparent and fair, offering equal opportunities to new aspirants to political power and influence. De-concentration of power to strengthening internal cohesion and moderating dissent.

C. Reformation of Political Parties:
1. No party should be allowed to run for election based on ethnicity.
2. No party should be allowed to run for election if they were found guilty of corruption
(If this law is implemented correctly most of the current political parties will NOT be allowed to
participate in the next elections).
3. No party should be allowed to run if they are supporting separatist or extremist groups or organizations.
4. Initially create a 6 party system which will allow only 6 main parties to participate in the election
(Allow more parties to participate in election after the progress of political education process)
5. Political Education process: Educated/ internship for those recently graduated with political science
degree. Educating the Politicians of tomorrow.
6. "Pakistan need political institutes which can help create better politicians: politicians who are more
capable of understanding the technical advice, understanding the policy areas, which they govern."

D. Improvement of Financial system on City, State and Country level, reduced corruption.
E. Social Justice and Equal Opportunity/
F. Respect for Diversity
G. Provincial Disharmony
H. Weak Foreign Polices.
I. Decentralization Government, give more power to provinces.

J. Smaller provinces to reduce corruption.
1. Each Provincial (or "Super district") government responsible creating their government policies.
2. Provincial Democratic Governance
3. Poverty Reduction (Eradicate Extreme Poverty and Hunger)
4. Crisis Prevention and Recovery (Natural disasters, Flood,Earth quake)
5. Energy and Environment
6. Improve Health Care system (Reduce Child Mortality /Improve Maternal Health)
7. Develop global partnership for Economy and Social development

 

[Nilgiri]

Rome wasn't built in one day......this is not 5 year plan. It will take Gawadar at least 5-10 years to develop, other cities can take 20-25 years. There is obvioustly advantage of having coastal cities, ask this to a land lock country.?
Current government is corrupt and completely incompetent.

Coastal cities are good for the following reason
1. Building new cities with better infrastructure (you wont' have to remove half the city population to build orange lane)
2. Second and third option to the Navy (Enemy can't block trade route)
3. Ability to build navy units (Karachi, Gawadr, Pasni, Ormani)
4. Will increase Import export business (MQM/PPP won't be able to take bride/Bhata from every Coastal city)
5. Trade route immediately set up between costal cities
6. Shipping ports will improve economy - Car Manufacturing, Sea food, Textile Industry can be build in Port cities.
7. Access to Fresh Seafood - Export seafood to Middle east.
8. Meat processing plant to export meat to other countries.

Here is my take in this.....
We need honest and competed government which can allocate the funds for the development projects.
(Not like PPP Sheila Raza, spending development funds on Sex parties in UAE, and PPP money laundering money outside the Pakistan using Pakistani actresses and Models)


1. Extremism:

Pakistan's main problem is self grown Extremism.
A. Make laws to control the Jihadi Narrative
B. Control the funding of Madares.
C. Create a Islamic supreme council to help teach the true Islam to people (Not Bidat and Shrik taught by some Islamic channels)
D. Under the guidence from Islamic Supreme Council (Shura), setup and National Madressa Board (NMB)




E. Government must assigned a qualified individual as a Federal Minister for the Ministry of Religious Affairs. (Not Jahil Jali doctor like the one from Jahil online)

2. Economy:

A. Improve current economic situation
B. Privatization and free market economics
C. Reduce government overspending
D. reduce Load Sheading / eliminate power theft.
E. Develop local industries.
F. Reduce Inflation
G. Reduce Unemployment
H. Abolish medieval feudal system of Pakistan ("Feudalism has to be abolished if the country is to prosper for all, and in peace.")
I. Devalued Currency - stop borrowing money for fake projects.


3. Government:
A. Eliminate Corruption/ cut-overheard
B. Unity, internal cohesion and political stability



C. Reformation of Political Parties:
1. No party should be allowed to run for election based on ethnicity.
2. No party should be allowed to run for election if they were found guilty of corruption
(If this law is implemented correctly most of the current political parties will NOT be allowed to
participate in the next elections).
3. No party should be allowed to run if they are supporting separatist or extremist groups or organizations.
4. Initially create a 6 party system which will allow only 6 main parties to participate in the election
(Allow more parties to participate in election after the progress of political education process)
5. Political Education process: Educated/ internship for those recently graduated with political science
degree. Educating the Politicians of tomorrow.
6. "Pakistan need political institutes which can help create better politicians: politicians who are more
capable of understanding the technical advice, understanding the policy areas, which they govern."

D. Improvement of Financial system on City, State and Country level, reduced corruption.
E. Social Justice and Equal Opportunity/
F. Respect for Diversity
G. Provincial Disharmony
H. Weak Foreign Polices.
I. Decentralization Government, give more power to provinces.

J. Smaller provinces to reduce corruption.
1. Each Provincial (or "Super district") government responsible creating their government policies.
2. Provincial Democratic Governance
3. Poverty Reduction (Eradicate Extreme Poverty and Hunger)
4. Crisis Prevention and Recovery (Natural disasters, Flood,Earth quake)
5. Energy and Environment
6. Improve Health Care system (Reduce Child Mortality /Improve Maternal Health)
7. Develop global partnership for Economy and Social development

Lots of good points.

But biggest one will simply be industrial related vocational training.

Pakistan has baked some of the bread (it can bake a lot more). But to get the current bread to the market and making money, there needs to be serious training of people in industrial roles.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

Huh?

I guess that's why the guy I elected last time is called the "HK Chief Executive".

I'm not even joking, that's actually what we call the leader of HK, the Chief Executive.

It is very tempting to thinking of countries like corporations. I used to subscribe to that ideology as a youngster. As someone who's been working for corporations for several years now, I know nothing can be further from the truth.

I've been saying this for two years now (even with so much negativity I used to get from both, Pakistanis and Indians ). And Now this is ALL coming together .

Pakistan will go right above or below Australia in economic rankings in the next 10-12 years. Granted peace, stability, democracy remain working and the terrorism mess is all cleaned up.

The Chinese labor is aging and have become more expensive. Pakistan has over 120 million young people between the ages of 15-22 and 60% of the adults from this pool, have basic education and about 35 million with college degrees.So China will capitalize on this labor pool.

China's main issue remains English and other languages compared to India. Pakistan doesn't have that issue as English is spoken widely in the country and a small course can bring people up to speed as its not a new language to them. So China plans on using the Pakistani labor and will setup the base to compete against India's labor market. One of the MAIN reasons why India is hell bent in stopping and destroying the CPEC project at all costs.

So the Pakistanis will be getting a LOT of investments and training and manufacturing business from China in the years to come. By the end of 2030, the estimates are that the CPEC would've crossed a Trillion in investments and would be producing over $ 300 billion of revenues per year from all trade and business activities, which essentially doubles up the Pakistani economy within ten years. Not to mention that this is just China specific. Add trade with the US, Europe, Canada and other countries. The Pakistani economy after 2025 will be moving towards a 2.5 Trillion mark

There is a huge problem with security. And that won't go away...because it is linked to religion.

 

[Abingdonboy]

By the end of 2030, the estimates are that the CPEC would've crossed a Trillion in investments

For that to happen, CPEC would have to average $66BN USD in investment every year from 2015-2030........so far $46BN has been pledged, for the entire project.

The Pakistani economy after 2025 will be moving towards a 2.5 Trillion mark

That would make Pakistan the 8th largest economy in 2025.

Even the most optimistic IMF projection doesn't have Pakistan's economy crossing the $1TN mark before 2035, and you are projecting it to have surpassed their figures 10 years before that by a rate of >250%? Or to put it another way, in the next 9 years the Pakistani economy is going to be worth >10 times what it currently is? Forget double digit growth,Pakistan is going to have to start growing at triple digit growth to get to that target! And the IMF predicts Pakistan to grow by a whopping 3.8% in 2016.

IMF cuts Pakistan’s growth forecast to 2.6% - The Express Tribune

It's funny, Pakistan is entirely absent:

The new global economy - CNNMoney

CPEC will help Pakistan I'm sure, but it isn't the holy grail that you want it to be. There is no silver bullet to Pakistan's economic woes, and it certainly isn't some $46BN megaproject that looks like it is more about high ROI for the Chinese than Pakistan's development- why else would they be charging 7-8% (even higher in other cases) interest rates?

@MilSpec @Spectre @Guynextdoor2 @PARIKRAMA @illusion8 @Nilgiri

Someone is fudging the numbers again.

 

[Nilgiri]

For that to happen, CPEC would have to average $66BN USD in investment every year from 2015-2030........so far $46BN has been pledged, for the entire project.



That would make Pakistan the 8th largest economy in 2025.

Even the most optimistic IMF projection doesn't have Pakistan's economy crossing the $1TN mark before 2035, and you are projecting it to have surpassed their figures 10 years before that by a rate of >250%? Or to put it another way, in the next 9 years the Pakistani economy is going to be worth >10 times what it currently is? Forget double digit growth,Pakistan is going to have to start growing at triple digit growth to get to that target! And the IMF predicts Pakistan to grow by a whopping 3.8% in 2016.

IMF cuts Pakistan’s growth forecast to 2.6% - The Express Tribune

It's funny, Pakistan is entirely absent:

The new global economy - CNNMoney

CPEC will help Pakistan I'm sure, but it isn't the holy grail that you want it to be. There is no silver bullet to Pakistan's economic woes, and it certainly isn't some $46BN megaproject that looks like it is more about high ROI for the Chinese than Pakistan's development- why else would they be charging 7-8% (even higher in other cases) interest rates?

@MilSpec @Spectre @Guynextdoor2 @PARIKRAMA @illusion8 @Nilgiri

Someone is fudging the numbers again.

I stopped caring about responding to this guy. I actually thought should I reply when he said "trillions" of investment...but figured whats the point. Its the same guy that said 10 years of 7% growth is 70% growth or something.

Like @Oscar said somewhere, this is pretty much the last bus that China is sending to Pakistan to get its affairs in order....but China is not going to put its own economy on the line if Pakistan misses it again. It is Pakistan that has to do the hard legwork to make this all succeed. Most of the 46 billion dollar CPEC is still in the form of MOUs if I am not mistaken.

This basically ensures maximum economic benefit for China (increased goodwill and demand for Chinese goods from Pakistan)...and a way out for China if their initial investment stream outside of what they gain strategically (infra route to arabian sea) is a flop.

But I guess when you have been in the desert for so long (economically speaking)...any oasis that pops up in the horizon is good news....and you put out of your head that it may be a mirage. We have to wait and see how this all materialises....without education and at least 2 years vocational training of majority of the students that graduate high school....Pakistan is going to be stuck in its rut long term as well. CPEC will end up having been little more than a dreamy distraction.