China: transformation into invincibility or weakling

[Martian2]

Strategic (or Long-term) value of Myanmar and North Korea

To win in chess, you have to think at least two steps ahead. The same rule applies in geopolitical chess played among powerful countries.

It is insufficient to temporarily establish ports in Myanmar. Myanmar should be annexed permanently under the justification of self-defense (for the reason which I alluded to earlier).

Temporary control of Myanmar invites disaster. It will provide the Myanmar government with time to garner foreign support and build a resistance fighting force. A surprise attack on China's long logistics lines from the coast of Myanmar to the Chinese border is an Achilles heel.

China has two Implacable Foes in Asia. Japan and India. Both countries share the same crime of occupying Chinese territory. These are arrogant little nations.

China will eventually have to deal with Japan and India.

To secure the return of the Diaoyu Islands, China will have to defeat Japan militarily. If there is a war on the Korean peninsula, China will gain a tremendous logistics advantage by annexing North Korea at the end of a Korean conflict.

After annexing North Korea, China can build air and naval bases along the eastern North Korean sea coast. These military bases will be invaluable in a Sino-Japanese war. The war will happen sometime in the future. Otherwise, there is no way to reclaim the Diaoyu Islands from Japan.

Similarly, China will gain a massive logistics advantage by annexing Myanmar. To reclaim South Tibet, there will be a Sino-India war in the future. After annexing Myanmar, China can construct air, ground, and naval bases along Myanmar's western coast. These military assets will be crucial to reclaim South Tibet from India.

Therefore, when the opportunity presents itself, China should annex North Korea and Myanmar. Both territories are critical to China's national security. To regain China's Diaoyu Islands and South Tibet, the intermediate steps of annexing North Korea and Myanmar would greatly strengthen China's military position.

In conclusion, North Korea and Myanmar are prized military assets. When the time comes to declare self-defense in China's national security interest, the most logical move is to annex both countries. Russia decided it was vital to Russian national security to annex part of Georgia, Crimea, and part of Ukraine. With an economy that is ten times the size of Russia, China must be courageous. "You cannot make an omelette (reclaiming Diaoyu Islands and South Tibet) without breaking a few eggs (annexing North Korea and Myanmar)."

 

[Zsari]

Strategic (or Long-term) value of Myanmar and North Korea

To win in chess, you have to think at least two steps ahead. The same rule applies in geopolitical chess played among powerful countries.

It is insufficient to temporarily establish ports in Myanmar. Myanmar should be annexed permanently under the justification of self-defense (for the reason which I alluded to earlier).

Temporary control of Myanmar invites disaster. It will provide the Myanmar government with time to garner foreign support and build a resistance fighting force. A surprise attack on China's long logistics lines from the coast of Myanmar to the Chinese border is an Achilles heel.

China has two Implacable Foes in Asia. Japan and India. Both countries share the same crime of occupying Chinese territory. These are arrogant little nations.

China will eventually have to deal with Japan and India.

To secure the return of the Diaoyu Islands, China will have to defeat Japan militarily. If there is a war on the Korean peninsula, China will gain a tremendous logistics advantage by annexing North Korea at the end of a Korean conflict.

After annexing North Korea, China can build air and naval bases along the eastern North Korean sea coast. These military bases will be invaluable in a Sino-Japanese war. The war will happen sometime in the future. Otherwise, there is no way to reclaim the Diaoyu Islands from Japan.

Similarly, China will gain a massive logistics advantage by annexing Myanmar. To reclaim South Tibet, there will be a Sino-India war in the future. After annexing Myanmar, China can construct air, ground, and naval bases along Myanmar's western coast. These military assets will be crucial to reclaim South Tibet from India.

Therefore, when the opportunity presents itself, China should annex North Korea and Myanmar. Both territories are critical to China's national security. To regain China's Diaoyu Islands and South Tibet, the intermediate steps of annexing North Korea and Myanmar would greatly strengthen China's military position.

In conclusion, North Korea and Myanmar are prized military assets. When the time comes to declare self-defense in China's national security interest, the most logical move is to annex both countries. Russia decided it was vital to Russian national security to annex part of Georgia, Crimea, and part of Ukraine. With an economy that is ten times the size of Russia, China must be courageous. "You cannot make an omelette (reclaiming Diaoyu Islands and South Tibet) without breaking a few eggs (annexing North Korea and Myanmar)."

Why bother with Myanmar and N. Korea, just annex US and Russia, and the world will be yours.

 

[Martian2]

Why bother with Myanmar and N. Korea, just annex US and Russia, and the world will be yours.

Being a smartass does not contribute to the discussion.

Go troll someone else's thread.

My threads are intended for serious discussion.

You may not like my two-move chess style. However, annexing North Korea and Myanmar are achievable. The strategic value of those two countries are undeniable.
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Your sarcasm of conquering the world is not appreciated.

The limited objectives of reclaiming the Diaoyu Islands and South Tibet are stated Chinese national goals. Annexing North Korea and Myanmar will help accomplish the reclamation of China's territories.

The key issue is timing. When does China make its move to annex North Korea and Myanmar?

I propose annexing North Korea after a Korean war. Regardless of whether North Korea, South Korea, or the United States starts a Korean conflict, China should take the opportunity to finish the conflict by moving in its army at the end.

Myanmar can be annexed immediately when the US fires the first shot in the South China Sea. China can declare that the US Navy presents an extreme danger at the Malacca Strait chokepoint. This will justify moving the PLA into Myanmar immediately to resolve the shipping chokepoint problem.

 

[Martian2]

Collateral Damage

The blue line delineates the Himalaya Mountains barrier between China and India.

To reclaim South Tibet, China will have to wage war on India from an annexed Myanmar.

To reclaim the Diaoyu Islands, China will have to wage war on Japan from an annexed North Korea.

The red lines show the proposed Chinese military bases in Myanmar and North Korea.

In American military parlance, annexing Myanmar and North Korea is "collateral damage."

 

[Viet]

Being a smartass does not contribute to the discussion.

Go troll someone else's thread.

My threads are intended for serious discussion.

You may not like my two-move chess style. However, annexing North Korea and Myanmar are achievable. The strategic value of those two countries are undeniable.
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Your sarcasm of conquering the world is not appreciated.

The limited objectives of reclaiming the Diaoyu Islands and South Tibet are stated Chinese national goals. Annexing North Korea and Myanmar will help accomplish the reclamation of China's territories.

The key issue is timing. When does China make its move to annex North Korea and Myanmar?

I propose annexing North Korea after a Korean war. Regardless of whether North Korea, South Korea, or the United States starts a Korean conflict, China should take the opportunity to finish the conflict by moving in its army at the end.

Myanmar can be annexed immediately when the US fires the first shot in the South China Sea. China can declare that the US Navy presents an extreme danger at the Malacca Strait chokepoint. This will justify moving the PLA into Myanmar immediately to resolve the shipping chokepoint problem.

serious discussion? ok, how do you want China do that? China will need to declare war against Burma and N. Korea. then second, China will need to win the two front war. you think China peaceful rise is over?

 

[Martian2]

serious discussion? ok, how do you want China do that? China will need to declare war against Burma and N. Korea. then second, China will need to win the two front war. you think China peaceful rise is over?

Did you bother reading any of my previous posts? I've already answered both questions.

1. China waits for another country to start a new Korean war. After the belligerents are exhausted from fighting, China moves in at the end with 100,000 well-equipped troops. China can move in another million soldiers if necessary. North Korea has been annexed.

2. China waits for the US to fire the first shot in the South China Sea. Pointing to numerous US military and think tank pronouncements about choking off China's shipping at the Malacca Strait, China invokes self-defense and annexes Myanmar. By establishing new Chinese ports on Myanmar's coast, China will not face the danger of a US-controlled Malacca Strait.

This is the third time I've made these points.

Either you (EastWind) read my previous posts or stop trolling my thread.

 

[Zsari]

Being a smartass does not contribute to the discussion.

Go troll someone else's thread.

My threads are intended for serious discussion.

You may not like my two-move chess style. However, annexing North Korea and Myanmar are achievable. The strategic value of those two countries are undeniable.
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Your sarcasm of conquering the world is not appreciated.

The limited objectives of reclaiming the Diaoyu Islands and South Tibet are stated Chinese national goals. Annexing North Korea and Myanmar will help accomplish the reclamation of China's territories.

The key issue is timing. When does China make its move to annex North Korea and Myanmar?

I propose annexing North Korea after a Korean war. Regardless of whether North Korea, South Korea, or the United States starts a Korean conflict, China should take the opportunity to finish the conflict by moving in its army at the end.

Myanmar can be annexed immediately when the US fires the first shot in the South China Sea. China can declare that the US Navy presents an extreme danger at the Malacca Strait chokepoint. This will justify moving the PLA into Myanmar immediately to resolve the shipping chokepoint problem.

The consequence would be the same for annexing other independent sovereign state be it the US or Myanmar, Russia or North Korea, as you'll just end up being the next Saddam. Nothing will please the US more in galvanizing a military coalition against China than such a naked act of aggression.

 

[Martian2]

The consequence would be the same for annexing other independent sovereign state be it the US or Myanmar, Russia or North Korea, as you'll just end up being the next Saddam. Nothing will please the US more in galvanizing a military coalition against China than such a naked act of aggression.

Your opinion sounds like bullshit to me.

NATO carved Kosovo out of Serbia.

Israel annexes more of the West Bank every day.

Russia annexed a big chunk of Georgia. Russia annexed Crimea. Russia has de facto annexed two provinces in east Ukraine. What US response?

Even if there is a US response, let's see who wins a land battle in Asia against China's two million man army.

The only way to assert sovereignty is through military power. China has demonstrated this timeless military truth in the South China Sea. Chinese naval power and militarized islands are cementing China's sovereignty and control of the South China Sea.

Now, I'm suggesting China deploy its army during opportune moments to assert its military power on land.

 

[Zsari]

Your opinion sounds like bullshit to me.

NATO carved Kosovo out of Serbia.

Israel annexes more of the West Bank every day.

Russia annexed a big chunk of Georgia. Russia annexed Crimea. Russia has de facto annexed two provinces in east Ukraine. What US response?

Even if there is a US response, let's see who wins a land battle in Asia against China's two million man army.

Did Russia annex Georgia or Ukraine? It can only carve little piece out while NATO expand right up against its border. Israel took West Bank in 1967, and it is still unable to swallow it in whole, even with full US support. China might be able to get away with taking Kokang from Myanmar for example, it'll entirely be another matter if one tries to annex Myanmar.
Regardless of your bravado, China is the clear underdog today, and it has to act smart, not brazen, and you are certainly not helping.

 

[Martian2]

Did Russia annex Georgia or Ukraine? It can only carve little piece out while NATO expand right up against its border. Israel took West Bank in 1967, and it is still unable to swallow it in whole, even with full US support. China might be able to get away with taking Kokang from Myanmar for example, it'll entirely be another matter if one tries to annex Myanmar.
Regardless of your bravado, China is the clear underdog today, and it has to act smart, not brazen, and you are certainly not helping.

Yes, Russia annexed Georgia's Abkazhia and South Ossetia provinces. Russia has issued Russian passports to the people in those formerly Georgian provinces. Russian troops guard the border.

Get a clue and watch the news. You're incredibly ignorant.
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Israel has locked up 1.8 million Palestinians in the Gaza Strip.

You're telling me that 1.4 BILLION Han Chinese with a $13 TRILLION economy can't lock up 52 million Myanmarese in Asian Gaza Strips?

It will be a piece of cake for China.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

China can reclaim Outer Mongolia and annex Burma for SELF-DEFENSE

@Aung Zaya is it possible for China to achieve this given region bordering China is of forest cover

Hence preventing any Chinese intrusion by mechanized infantry.

 

[Martian2]

@Aung Zaya is it possible for China to achieve this given region bordering China is of forest cover

Hence preventing any Chinese intrusion by mechanized infantry.

Trees do not protect you from Chinese multi-spectral radar and infrared sensors.

Armed Chinese drones will mow down resistance in weeks.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Collateral Damage

The blue line delineates the Himalaya Mountains barrier between China and India.

To reclaim South Tibet, China will have to wage war on India from an annexed Myanmar.

To reclaim the Diaoyu Islands, China will have to wage war on Japan from an annexed North Korea.

The red lines show the proposed Chinese military bases in Myanmar and North Korea.

In American military parlance, annexing Myanmar and North Korea is "collateral damage."

Invading India from Burma was a mistake made by your former Japanese masters

Despite being experts in Jungle warfare, Imperial Japanese army was soundly defeated in North East India which receives one of highest rainfall on planet.

Better bring alot of umbrellas

 

[Zsari]

Yes, Russia annexed Georgia's Abkazhia and South Ossetia provinces. Russia has issued Russian passports to the people in those formerly Georgian provinces. Russian troops guard the border.

Get a clue and watch the news. You're incredibly ignorant.
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Israel has locked up 1.8 million Palestinians in the Gaza Strip.

You're telling me that 1.4 BILLION Han Chinese with a $13 TRILLION economy can't lock up 52 million Myanmarese in Asian Gaza Strips?

It will be a piece of cake for China.

Russia did not annex Georgia but took two provinces from it. Likewise, China could get away with taking territories from Myanmar, albeit not without economic and political price, annexing Myanmar however is out of the question.

You know Qianlong fought three wars with Myanmar, and with absolute numerical superiority didn't eve win one. Your understanding of war is far too one dimensional. 上兵伐心

 

[Martian2]

Invading India from Burma was a mistake made by your former Japanese masters

Despite being experts in Jungle warfare, Imperial Japanese army was soundly defeated in North East India which receives one of highest rainfall on planet.

Better bring alot of umbrellas

Right, let's compare modern high-tech China to Japanese military technology from 1943.

You're an idiot.

Modern sensors and GPS-guided/laser-guided bombs on drones have revolutionized warfare.

Battalions of Chinese soldiers with body armor and night-vision goggles will mow down low-tech Myanmarese like sheep.