China to transfer submarine technology to Pakistan

[Paranoid Android]

Indians are obviously jealous as Pakistan is becoming strongest nation in Asia after China.

This is massive business for China.

you know what you are saying?

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Pakistan with the ability to build their own AIP submarines, that would be amazing.

Agosta90Bs were also built in Pak under license.

 

[ice_man]

Agostas also came with apparent ToT and we only made 3!

so i doubt any ToT would mean in house submarines. @Imran Khan is right!

 

[SipahSalar]

Just buy the submarines directly! We did the same with Agosta, wasted a lot of money on building local capabilities, and then built only 3 and forgot about it.

 

[amardeep mishra]

Pakistan got the ToT for 'assembling Agosta'....it still needed to import components from France. The MESMA AIP is a wonder of engineering, very few countries in the world can build it on their own

Hi donatello!
TOT is a misnomer! it is a very very loose term whose meaning can be interpreted in many ways.Since i am into aerospace research,i wish to cast some light on the nature of this word "TOT".
1)TOT might refer to license production of foreign systems at home- in this case,they would export you knock down kits and you'd simply assemble it in your country.
2)TOT might also mean,you BUY(i stress the word BUY) the respective IPRs associated with any defense systems- this is very very costly affair,for instance just the IPR of russian liquid ramjet in brahmos might easily cost well over 2000cr INR!But this allows the purchasing country to morph that IPR into their own technology.
I would like to add that TOT comes with a lot of clauses as in if you can morph it into your own system or not.For instance you can not copy the design and arrangement of ignitors in russian can-annular/annular styled combusters (turbofan engines)- now you'd ask why is "arrangement" such an important thing?Well the answer lies in it's ability to prevent combustion instability from occurring! In case of an IPR, there is no other way but to BUY it from the respective country!
Another important aspect is the level of maturity of the local industry to absorb(assimilate) foreign technology and indigenize the sub-systems or produce something new based on that- thats where pakistan still lacks and to some extent india too lacked(at least till mid-early 2000s).Take the case of ogasta construction in pakistan- well the french couldnt have simply transfered the blue prints of lets say
(a) the metallurgical process by which they create various tiles
(b) metallurgical process by which they create special submarine grade steel.
(c) design of their AIP
(d) design and construction of propellers
(e)design of various other sub-systems viz missile ejection system,armaments that are all covered under various IPRs!
and here by blue prints i mean IPRs,patents etc.
Things aint really as simple as they appear my friend,hard cash speaks,the more you cough out,the more they share-but sharing also has limitations.!

 

[Echo_419]

what we did after TOT of agosta from france ? its just waste of resources pakistani shipyard can not make a sub or frigate by own even after 60 years of established

You lost your capability when you didn't build any more sub's after the agostas same thing happened with us in the Type 209s

 

[Mitro]

Pakistan is gateway of western system for Chinese they have shared every thing with China and China had benefited abundantly with young scientist and billion to do research .

One side India spending buying French sub without AIP and Pakistan near future will have 11 sub all with AIP and may put some miniature nuclear reactor in couple of them

 

[GR!FF!N]

Pakistan is gateway of western system for Chinese they have shared every thing with China and China had benefited abundantly with young scientist and billion to do research .

One side India spending buying French sub without AIP and Pakistan near future will have 11 sub all with AIP and may put some miniature nuclear reactor in couple of them

If you change your flag,you'd find we're not buying AIP as we already made one which is far more suitable that French MESMA AIP and it'll be integrated to our last 2 Submarines and possibly first four too during MLU.

And Miniature reactor inside a conventional sub??

Spewing BS has limits,but thats not the case with you.

 

[Blue Marlin]

Pakistan with the ability to build their own AIP submarines, that would be amazing.

i read that this sub in particular will have more than one aip module. is this true?

 

[Thunder.Storm]

Ramba Ramba samba! Neighbor would be like
KAHEEN CHINESE JO MIL JAATAY BIGARTA KIYA ZAMANAY KA
KHABAR KIYA THEE KAY YEH ANJAAM HO GA BONGIYAAN MARNAY KA

 

[Thorough Pro]

Assembly lines cost more than the submarine themselves, putting a new line for just four subs would be utter stupidity.

Is there any possibility of second assembly line or maintenance of subs in Ormara????

and where would we get the parts from? if we were capable of building 100% of them in house, we would not be looking for Chinese subs.

By that logic, Pakistan should have built couple of Augusta 90Bs by now. We did assemble one and manufactured the other at Karachi Shipyard.

 

[dadeechi]

Pakistan is very fortunate to have a friend like China.

 

[Pangu]

In China, when we went ahead to build the J-10, subs & what not, the whole industry went to through long, painful process. from the plant that produce unassuming things like ball bearing, to company shedding blood & money in multi-axis CNC machines. We are talking making sure of over a thousand different sub-system providers, achieving mil-spec grade production, just to build a bloody jet or sub. Today, we are still trying to catch up even after 30+ yrs of running!

Be glad with your country's achievement. You cannot rush things. Buy what you can't, build what you can.