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China test fires Dongfeng-31B Missile with a range of 10,000km.

Some Hindoo said because Chinese withdrew from chumar, a victory for Hindu?
Self proclaim victory, its not the first day you know the Indians,right? They will always tell you one side of the story and keep the other one to serve their own ego.

That why it's in sea trials. The 700-1500km and 3500km SLBMs are Pakistan specific, but the MIRVed K5+ will be China specific, like I said, stop India's progression now. And yeah, all the money now to spend on ICBMs, etc. Maybe not enough to have 1000 4th gen fighters, but most definitely enough to develop MIRVed ICBMs to target every Chinese main cities. That will most definitely be a reality.:tup:

Sorry, that's not possible in near time. Given India typical slow progress and lack of investment in technology. Probably 30 years later.
 
Do that first strike within 10 years, otherwise you'll have up to 4 boomers ready to surface.

Actually one. American Ohio class can only maintain a three to four boomer at a time. They have 16 Ohios, are you also getting 16 of whatever it is you have?

But either way, we should have a rule of no threats of nuke strikes for all members, not because it's cruel, but because it is stupid, no sane person will ever launch a nuke strike. Which is why I never worry about India and Pakistan nuke war, nuking each other is like nuking yourself. Too close. One nuke plant did that to Japan, do we really want to find out what modern nukes do.

Nope, within 30 everything will be covered.
nothing will cover everything forever, we need to see how things move in 30 years, maybe in 30 years, only sub launched hypersonic missiles stand a chance of surviving, or space weapons, or something, we don't know.
 
Actually one. American Ohio class can only maintain a three to four boomer at a time. They have 16 Ohios, are you also getting 16 of whatever it is you have?

Im sure US can field more than 4, but each one has like 24 missiles, why do you really need more anyway? Indian SSBNs are much, much smaller.

nothing will cover everything forever, we need to see how things move in 30 years, maybe in 30 years, only sub launched hypersonic missiles stand a chance of surviving, or space weapons, or something, we don't know.

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Im sure US can field more than 4, but each one has like 24 missiles, why do you really need more anyway? Indian SSBNs are much, much smaller.

Yes, if they plan for it, but what you are suggesting is a sudden attack, then there's no way to plan for that, but one's enough either way.

Though you are underestimating nuclear subs, it takes a long time to be able to effectively use these subs. There are reasons for that, and it's not just because it is difficult.
 
Let's be realistic about this.

India has ZERO experience designing/building submarines of any type prior to the Arihant.

The lead ship INS Arihant hasn't been commissioned yet

The other three haven't been launched yet.

The K-4 missile has been tested once from a submerged pontoon.

If everything goes perfectly, India might have four submarines by 2023.

4 Arihants with 4 K-4 missiles each is 16 missiles.

I'm sorry but the 2023 version of China will not be deterred by 16 single warhead missiles. HQ-19/HQ-26 will eat that for breakfast. And please don't show me any more CGI pictures of MIRVs.:disagree:
 
Let's be realistic about this.

India has ZERO experience designing/building submarines of any type prior to the Arihant.

The lead ship INS Arihant hasn't been commissioned yet

The other three haven't been launched yet.

The K-4 missile has been tested once from a submerged pontoon.

If everything goes perfectly, India might have four submarines by 2023.

4 Arihants with 4 K-4 missiles each is 16 missiles.

I'm sorry but the 2023 version of China will not be deterred by 16 single warhead missiles. HQ-19/HQ-26 will eat that for breakfast. And please don't show me any more CGI pictures of MIRVs.:disagree:


Are you going to launch a pearl harbor nuclear bombardment on India/basically all of S. Asia in 8 years? Other wise, all the time in the world.
 
Are you going to launch a pearl harbor nuclear bombardment on India/basically all of S. Asia in 8 years? Other wise, all the time in the world.

The Tejas has certainly had all the time in the world, 30 years under development. The Arihant will be an even bigger white elephant.
 
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The Tejas has certainly had all the time in the world, 30 years under development. The Arihant will be an even bigger white elephant.


Arihant is in sea trials within months, and doing harbor trials. Another one is about to launch, this program is going fine. Granted, they're going methodical as possible, because this is it's first SSBN. And the ballistic missiles that are going to be on it havent failed once yet.

Tejas, the founding of ADA, the infrastructure, and frankly the industrial base created throughout the program was well worth it. With the first production version flying like days ago. Before that 30 years, there was nothing. Unlike Arihant today which is in harbor trials, and another about to hit water and all the ballistic missile going smoothly.
 
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This thing about nuclear weapons is absurd.................people don't seem to understand the effect that today's nuclear weapons would have on the world...........remember today's weapons are greatly more destructive than the weapons used in WW2.

i.e. If the US were to fire a large number of nukes at China, the result would not only be the devastation to China, but to the whole Asian region..........the resultant radiation fallout from such a massive nuclear attack would also damage and pretty much make uninhabitable large areas of India, Japan and so forth (ie US allies).
In return, as of now, Chinese nukes striking the Western board of the US, would also have the effect of making the rest of the USA unihabitable, and would seriously affect Canada and Mexico.

They have a use only as a deterrance, and continually upgrading one's nuclear arsenal is for political means only, and also to show to a potential enemy that your upgrade nukes, would be able to avoid the enemies defences!

Only a deranged baboon, would think it military effective to use nuclear weapons.
 
BEIJING: China has flight tested an upgraded version of its 10,000-km range Dongfeng missile which can reach most of the US and European cities, demonstrating its nuclear capability, media reports said.

The People's Liberation Army (PLA) launched a Dongfeng-31B on September 25, days before its October 1 National Day from the Wuzhai Missile and Space Test Centre, also called Taiyuan Satellite Launch Centre in Shanxi province, Hong Kong-based South China Morning Post said quoting US media reports.

The first flight test of an upgraded mobile intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) in the lead-up to the National Day aimed to show the world that China was reinforcing its nuclear deterrent, it quoted military experts as saying.

The DF-31B is an upgraded version of the DF-31A and the launch was at least the second time the PLA's Second Artillery Corps had tested a DF-31 missile in the past three months.

In late July, the PLA conducted a flight test of a DF-31A in what was the fourth known flight test of that missile in two years, it said.

The DF-31 system has an estimated range of nearly 10,000km, enough to deliver a nuclear warhead to the capitals of Europe or the west coast of the US.

The mobile missiles are designed specifically for travel over rugged terrain and in difficult road conditions.

Xu Guangyu, a Beijing-based retired PLA major general said the strategic aim of the test is "Beijing just wants to increase China's military might and its nuclear strategic threat. It's not really targeting the US or other countries".

"China needs to conduct intensive weapons tests and military drills because the (US-led build-up) now in the Asia-Pacific area is not good for Beijing," he told the Post.

Earlier state media reports said Beijing would roll out the Dongfeng-41, a system designed to have a range of 12,000km, allowing it to hit targets anywhere in the US.

Xu said the US' "pivot to Asia" and its plan to send 60 per cent of its military force to the region by 2020 had put pressure on Beijing to step up missile development.

"It's normal for China to develop other, more advanced missiles given that a weapon cycle is between five and seven years, and the DF-31A was delivered to the PLA in 2006," he said.

Macau-based military expert Antony Wong Dong said it was hard to tell the difference between the DF-31A and DF-31B, but the upgraded version might have better performance.

"The DF-31A was designed to carry three warheads. I think the new DF-31B is possibly a multi-warhead version with higher accuracy," Wong said.

In January, PLA Daily posted 17 photos of a live drill of the DF-31A on its website, the first public glimpse of the advanced weapon.

The PLA also tested a hypersonic vehicle, the Wu-14, on August 7 in Shanxi. The launch failed despite a successful first test in January, the Post report said.
 
BEIJING: China has flight tested an upgraded version of its 10,000-km range Dongfeng missile which can reach most of the US and European cities, demonstrating its nuclear capability, media reports said.

The People's Liberation Army (PLA) launched a Dongfeng-31B on September 25, days before its October 1 National Day from the Wuzhai Missile and Space Test Centre, also called Taiyuan Satellite Launch Centre in Shanxi province, Hong Kong-based South China Morning Post said quoting US media reports.

The first flight test of an upgraded mobile intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) in the lead-up to the National Day aimed to show the world that China was reinforcing its nuclear deterrent, it quoted military experts as saying.

The DF-31B is an upgraded version of the DF-31A and the launch was at least the second time the PLA's Second Artillery Corps had tested a DF-31 missile in the past three months.

In late July, the PLA conducted a flight test of a DF-31A in what was the fourth known flight test of that missile in two years, it said.

The DF-31 system has an estimated range of nearly 10,000km, enough to deliver a nuclear warhead to the capitals of Europe or the west coast of the US.

The mobile missiles are designed specifically for travel over rugged terrain and in difficult road conditions.

Xu Guangyu, a Beijing-based retired PLA major general said the strategic aim of the test is "Beijing just wants to increase China's military might and its nuclear strategic threat. It's not really targeting the US or other countries".

"China needs to conduct intensive weapons tests and military drills because the (US-led build-up) now in the Asia-Pacific area is not good for Beijing," he told the Post.

Earlier state media reports said Beijing would roll out the Dongfeng-41, a system designed to have a range of 12,000km, allowing it to hit targets anywhere in the US.

Xu said the US' "pivot to Asia" and its plan to send 60 per cent of its military force to the region by 2020 had put pressure on Beijing to step up missile development.

"It's normal for China to develop other, more advanced missiles given that a weapon cycle is between five and seven years, and the DF-31A was delivered to the PLA in 2006," he said.

Macau-based military expert Antony Wong Dong said it was hard to tell the difference between the DF-31A and DF-31B, but the upgraded version might have better performance.

"The DF-31A was designed to carry three warheads. I think the new DF-31B is possibly a multi-warhead version with higher accuracy," Wong said.

In January, PLA Daily posted 17 photos of a live drill of the DF-31A on its website, the first public glimpse of the advanced weapon.

The PLA also tested a hypersonic vehicle, the Wu-14, on August 7 in Shanxi. The launch failed despite a successful first test in January, the Post report said.
Well nice range and good system to deter any aggression
 
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