China submarines outnumber U.S. fleet: U.S. admiral

[ChineseTiger1986]

lol I guess he forgot about how the UK project power and DEFEATED argentina near their home turf...Maybe they never exist as they wont read about that in school. Lol, i dunno

If that is not power projection, then I dont know what isn Thats would be like asking Chinese navy to fight in Indonesia water and win a war with indonesia...

Defeating Argentina in their home turf is nothing, right now PLAN can do the same.

But the only problem is that PLAN has to worry to get intercepted in the middle of the route by its major rival like the USN, while the Royal Navy had no such concern.

Without the threat of the USN, do you think who can stop PLAN to travel anywhere around the world?

 

[sicsheep]

The backbone of any defence industry is the level of research in the country. US is too ahead in terms of research.

Germany had same level of research going on with the USA during WWII, definitely more than USSR had.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Germany had same level of research going on with the USA during WWII, definitely more than USSR had.

The US is not so ahead of in term of the futuristic weapon like the HGV.

 

[SQ8]

Few years from now, Mr. Mulloy will be on the board of General Dynamics or Huntington, or both...

And that gentlemen, is the right question.

 

[sicsheep]

lol I guess he forgot about how the UK project power and DEFEATED argentina near their home turf...Maybe they never exist as they wont read about that in school. Lol, i dunno

If that is not power projection, then I dont know what isn Thats would be like asking Chinese navy to fight in Indonesia water and win a war with indonesia...

sure, and Iraq defeated Kuwait, on their home turf too LOL

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

I don't know why China and USA waste their effort, technology, and financial capability to stare to each others. Why not combine their effort to realize the humanity dream to reach and colonize the new frontier and begin a new era (Space Era) for humanity?

You don't even see that at Science fiction movies let along on real life. The only time I saw US is willing to cooperate with China is on 2012 movie where America is about to submerge into the ocean, so they're willing to build the giant humanitarian ship in Tibet to save their own A$$.

We Chinese are better off cooperate with any aliens of the galaxy than Americans, they're not worthed.

 

[Screambowl]

Germany had same level of research going on with the USA during WWII, definitely more than USSR had.

That research helped Germans to keep off the rest of the world busy against them for bloody 6 years!

The US is not so ahead of in term of the futuristic weapon like the HGV.

How would you know? When US built its F117 how many in the world were aware of this project?

 

[jhungary]

Defeating Argentina in their home turf is nothing, right now PLAN can do the same.

But the only problem is that China has to worry to get intercepted in the middle of the route by its major rival like the USN, while the Royal Navy had no such concern.

Without the threat of the USN, do you think who can stop PLAN to travel anywhere around the world?

lol you do realise the second part of your stateement mean China cant project power oversea while UK can.

The full essent of power projection is that you can sail your ship freely over the sea and engage an enemy in far shore right?

Without the US, of course China can do that, that would be the same as saying withiut the other country in the world, China would be the king of the world....

That is what the UK can do where the Chinese cant at the moment

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

That research helped Germans to keep off the rest of the world busy against them for bloody 6 years!



How would you know? When US built its F117 how many in the world were aware of this project?

F117 is obsolete, no one will ever think about this junk toy.

lol you do realise the second part of your stateement mean China cant project power oversea while UK can.

The full essent of power projection is that you can sail your ship freely over the sea and engage an enemy in far shore right?

Without the US, of course China can do that, that would be the same as saying withiut the other country in the world, China would be the king of the world....

That is what the UK can do where the Chinese cant at the moment

If you consider the UK and the US as one entity, then China definitely has a disadvantage, because the UK doesn't have the US as its main rival to keep in check.

But still, China has the HGV to initiate a global prompt strike within a hour, while the UK can never possess such capability.

 

[Screambowl]

F117 is obsolete, no one will ever think about this junk toy.

It was already tested in 1981 used by USAF for 25 years. Only in 1983 it was known to public. The project was highly secret. How would you know if US is not working on futuristic weapons?

If Naushir gaudia had not given the details of B2 stealth bomber to russian and chinese spies, Don't know about russia but China would be still struggling to design its stealth aircraft.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

It was already tested in 1981 used by USAF for 25 years. Only in 1983 it was known to public. The project was highly secret. How would you know if US is not working on futuristic weapons?

If Naushir gaudia had not given the details of B2 stealth bomber to russian and chinese spies, Don't know about russia but China would be still struggling to design its stealth aircraft.

So are you suggesting that the US should never allow any Indian to participate their military industrial complex?

 

[Screambowl]

So are you suggesting that the US should never allow any Indian to participate their military industrial complex?

Thomas Patrick Cavanaugh was also arrested for sellign details to chinese and russians... what do you say about this lol

 

[Genesis]

Thomas Patrick Cavanaugh was also arrested for sellign details to chinese and russians... what do you say about this lol

what I say is that, even if secrets were given to other countries what could they do with them?

Say for example India, or even Germany, neither has the same infrastructure in place to do anything.

What you fail to understand is everyone steals secrets, but only those who can already do it, can do anything about it. Mercedes can give you all its designs can you make a mercedes?

 

[Screambowl]

what I say is that, even if secrets were given to other countries what could they do with them?

Say for example India, or even Germany, neither has the same infrastructure in place to do anything.

What you fail to understand is everyone steals secrets, but only those who can already do it, can do anything about it. Mercedes can give you all its designs can you make a mercedes?

I was not talking about secrets, some started trolling so did I

... I was talking about it will be wrong to say that US is not doing any research for development of weapons. As research is backbone for strong military.

 

[jhungary]

sure, and Iraq defeated Kuwait, on their home turf too LOL

May I ask, do you know what is power projection?

Iraq and Kuwait share a border, there are no power projection involve as Kuwait backyard is also Iraq's back yard lol.

Like If China defeated Vietnam or Afghanistan, that too does not count as power projection, as there are actual land border with all these countries....

F117 is obsolete, no one will ever think about this junk toy.



If you consider the UK and the US as one entity, then China definitely has a disadvantage, because the UK doesn't have the US as its main rival to keep in check.

But still, China has the HGV to initiate a global prompt strike within a hour, while the UK can never possess such capability.

lol HGV is not power projection, if so, then any sort of ballistic missile can also claim as a weapon of power proojection, even scud, cause when a weapon have a range, theoritically they can reach an enemy overseas.

What I was talking about is an Sea/Land power projection. Where you can actually and literally patrol your enemy coast in time of war.

UK did not need US help during Falkland campaign, US stayed neutral during the conflict, but since the UK jave military base in the ascension island, midway between North Atlantic and South Atlantic, they can resupply their ship and support a foreign war. Hence projecting power that way.

Lets say China want to fight a war with Argentina alone, How the Chinese ship made the Cross Pacific and Cross Atlantic journey when US refuse to let the Chinese to stage a war against Argentina? There were no base belong to China Mid Pacific or Mid Atlantic and you know for sure Chinese ship cannot make a cross ocean journey without resupply.