China politics

[AndrewJin]

He he, one cannot deny he started some interesting & quality threads on PDF, that can get on the nerves of some pple.

Like or dislike, he is there.

 

[mike2000 is back]

He he, one cannot deny he started some interesting & quality threads on PDF, that can get on the nerves of some pple.

Maybe that's why he got banned. SSometimes exposing the truth /facts can bring you trouble. Lool. I already noticed from comments on here that many other members are uncomfortable with his posts.
Keep it up lux. I'm with you on this.

 

[Pangu]

Maybe that's why he got banned. SSometimes exposing the truth /facts can bring you trouble. Lool. I already noticed from comments on here that many other members are uncomfortable with his posts.
Keep it up lux. I'm with you on this.

I'm fine with Lux too, at least his posts are better than the many dick measuring contest that is ever so popular on PDF.

 

[mike2000 is back]

I'm fine with Lux too, at least his posts are better than the many dick measuring contest that is ever so popular on PDF.

However some of your Chinese brothers here don't think so. I wonder if they are princelings as well. Loool since I don't see why they are uncomfortable/against for an overseas Chinese to post news exposing the inner workings of how a privilege few party officials and their children abuse their power , embezzled their people's money by the billions and harm the country, except if they themselves are the children of these party officials. lol

 

[Pangu]

However some of your Chinese brothers here don't think so. I wonder if they are princelings as well. Loool since I don't see why they are uncomfortable for an overseas Chinese to post news exposing the inner workings of how the privilege few party officials and their children abuse their power and harm the country, except they themselves are the children of these party officials. lol

Everyone has different tolerance level with regards to discussing sensitive issues out in the open, especially here on PDF, where "vultures" will pound on the slightest scrap of information to hammer you. Such is the excitement this forum offers, that everyone comes back for more abuse, lol.

 

[Kyle Sun]

a BETTER way to know those info is to buy some cheap magz in train or bus station .
You can find what ever Youwant in the magz. only cost 5 rmb,no need to send spy or buy info.

 

[Lux de Veritas]

Wang Qishan: China cannot have judicial independence

司法独立？王岐山：在中国根本行不通 - 万维读者网

China's Communist Party is struggling to guard against corruption: graft-buster | South China Morning Post

"There is huge pressure for the long-term ruling party to supervise and purify itself," Wang Qishan was quoted as saying in an article written by Tatsuhito Tokuchi, former general manager of Citic Securities.

Tokuchi and two Stanford University academics, including political scientist Francis Fukuyama, attended a meeting with Wang in Zhongnanhai - the government's headquarters - on April 23.

The article was posted on WeChat by 21ccom.net a website for articles by academics and commentators. Tsinghua University's Centre for Industrial Development and Environmental Governance confirmed to the South China Morning Post that the article was written by Tokuchi, who is a member of the centre's council.

Wang cited the rare case of a Russian surgeon removing his own appendix to illustrate the difficulty of "self-renewal" and "self-purification".

"We realise that it is only a beginning … and we need to keep going," he was quoted as saying.

The anti-corruption campaign, launched by President Xi Jinping shortly after he came to power in late 2012, has expelled both senior and low-ranking officials.

Wang's admission came after Xi told a plenum of the Central Commission for Discipline Inspection in January that the party was "good at self-purification and self-reform" and had the courage to "face problems and correct mistakes", as shown by its investigation into top officials such as former domestic security chief and Politburo Standing Committee member Zhou Yongkang.

Zhuang Deshui, an anti-corruption expert at Peking University, said Wang's remarks showed that Beijing was facing a tougher battle than it had originally expected.

"The authorities might have thought in the beginning that hitting 'tigers and flies' would have some deterrent effect. But as the number of corruption cases and the ranks of purged officials kept growing, certain interest groups and senior officials - maybe even including those more senior than Zhou - were also involved," Zhuang said.

In the meeting, Wang also rejected the idea of judicial independence, saying the administration of law must be under the party's leadership.

 

[BoQ77]

Lux : good works.
Sometimes we could sacrifice something for revealing the truth. Why not?
I'm with you.

 

[Lux de Veritas]

Chairman Xi warns against CPC-turn capitalist legalizing their stolen wealth by promoting democracy

习近平看穿了曾庆红的如意算盘 - 万维读者网

有些腰缠万贯的贪官希望可以利用民主选举制，用钞票操纵选票，摇身一变成为民主之神，继续掌握政权，达到名利双收。类似这样的人在中共党内并非少数，政法系统内部亦不少，有的甚至位处高层。

I translate the above.

Some corrupt officials hope that by turning China into democracy, they can use monies (from corruption) to control politics, and continue to hold political power.

There are many of these in CPC, even in the legal and internal security department and even at the very top of CPC.

 

[AndrewJin]

Chairman Xi warns against CPC-turn capitalist legalizing their stolen wealth by promoting democracy

习近平看穿了曾庆红的如意算盘 - 万维读者网

有些腰缠万贯的贪官希望可以利用民主选举制，用钞票操纵选票，摇身一变成为民主之神，继续掌握政权，达到名利双收。类似这样的人在中共党内并非少数，政法系统内部亦不少，有的甚至位处高层。

I translate the above.

Some corrupt officials hope that by turning China into democracy, they can use monies (from corruption) to control politics, and continue to hold political power.

There are many of these in CPC, even in the legal and internal security department and even at the very top of CPC.

And legalise corruption by privatising national assets like what western countries are doing.

Welcome back back, Luxy.

 

[Lux de Veritas]

And legalise corruption by privatising national assets like what western countries are doing.

The USA way is doomed. It would be brainless to continue to learn from USA. Western Democracy is good only for small countries. That is why small white man small countries democracy works well and it do not work so well in USA.

For country like China, either she choose western style democracy and breaks apart or she invent her own system. The system could be mixture of democracy and our old system.

I think the best future China system should be a mixture of democracy and China imperial exam system. The Chinese empire last for very long and one of the reason is the imperial exam system keep sending the smartest people to government the land --- never mind the people can be corrupt.

 

[AndrewJin]

The USA way is doomed. It would be brainless to continue to learn from USA. Western Democracy is good only for small countries. That is why small white man small countries democracy works well and it do not work so well in USA.

For country like China, either she choose western style democracy and breaks apart or she invent her own system. The system could be mixture of democracy and our old system.

I think the best future China system should be a mixture of democracy and China imperial exam system. The Chinese empire last for very long and one of the reason is the imperial exam system keep sending the smartest people to government the land --- never mind the people can be corrupt.

Is there democracy without voting system?

 

[Lux de Veritas]

Is there democracy without voting system?

Not too sure how the future system looks like. But I am quite sure the imperial exam system suits China.

Also Chinese are more corrupt people than white man. So in China democracy, vote buying and rigging will be more serious.

Unless we talk about Taiwan whereby it is small, and democracy works well in small countries.

 

[AndrewJin]

Not too sure how the future system looks like. But I am quite sure the imperial exam system suits China.

Also Chinese are more corrupt people than white man. So in China democracy, vote buying and rigging will be more serious.

Unless we talk about Taiwan whereby it is small, and democracy works well in small countries.

Presidents of ROC is either in jail or will be jailed. Not a single congressmen of ROC is clean.
After 20 May 2016, we will see President Ma encounters the same situation as former president Chen.

 

[Keel]

The USA way is doomed. It would be brainless to continue to learn from USA. Western Democracy is good only for small countries. That is why small white man small countries democracy works well and it do not work so well in USA.

For country like China, either she choose western style democracy and breaks apart or she invent her own system. The system could be mixture of democracy and our old system.

I think the best future China system should be a mixture of democracy and China imperial exam system. The Chinese empire last for very long and one of the reason is the imperial exam system keep sending the smartest people to government the land --- never mind the people can be corrupt.

What a big change of attitudes Lux!
You have been the biggest fan of America and democracy
Have done some serious reflections over the running of China during time out and now your truthful revelations?

Count your days Lux and the following is coming
Any plan to wade into that territory for a change?

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Clay Figurine Zhang - Tianjin

Not too sure how the future system looks like. But I am quite sure the imperial exam system suits China.

Also Chinese are more corrupt people than white man. So in China democracy, vote buying and rigging will be more serious.

Unless we talk about Taiwan whereby it is small, and democracy works well in small countries.

Corruption does not choose its race