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China missile shifts power in PacificBy Kathrin Hille in Beijing
ref:FT.com / Asia-Pacific - China missile shifts power in Pacific
Published: December 28 2010 11:58 | Last updated: December 28 2010 11:58

A new Chinese anti-ship missile that will significantly alter the balance of military power in the Pacific is now operational, according to a senior US commander.

Admiral Robert Willard, the top US commander in the Pacific, said the Chinese ballistic missile, which is designed to threaten US aircraft carriers in the region, had reached “initial operational capability”.

The US and other countries in the Pacific region are increasingly concerned at the speed with which China is developing its naval power. Japan, for example, recently decided to refocus its military on the potential threat from China.

“So now we know – China’s [anti-ship ballistic missile] is no longer aspirational,” Andrew Erickson, an expert on the Chinese military at the US Naval War College, said in response to Adm Willard’s comments to the Asahi newspaper.

Defence analysts have called the Dongfeng 21 D missile a “game changer” since it could force US aircraft carriers to stay away from waters where China does not want to see them. These include the Taiwan Strait where a potential conflict could develop over the self-ruled island which China claims.

The land-based missile is designed to target and track aircraft carrier groups with the help of satellites, unmanned aerial vehicles and over-the-horizon radar. Aircraft carriers and their accompanying ships are unable to defend themselves against such a threat.
Aware of the missile’s development, the Pentagon has already started considering ways to counter the new threat, including a new concept for more closely integrated navy and air force operations.
In September, Robert Gates, US defence secretary, said the development of such a missile would force the Pentagon to rethink the way carriers are deployed.

“If the Chinese or somebody else has a highly accurate anti-ship cruise or ballistic missile that can take out a carrier at hundreds of miles of ranges and therefore in Asia puts us back behind the second island chain, how then do you use carriers differently in the future than we’ve used them in the past?” Mr Gates asked.
The second chain of islands runs from the Bonins along the Marianas, Guam and Palau, forming a north-south line east of Japan and the Philippines. This line defines what China sees as its “near seas” – waters in which the US navy now frequently operates and are home to US naval bases and allies such as Japan and South Korea.

Earlier this year, Adm Willard noted that China’s ASBM was undergoing extensive testing and was close to deployment. Observers believe China started production of missile motors last year and that the Chinese military is preparing a nuclear missile base in the southern city of Shaoguan for their deployment.

Defence analysts have also linked several missile flight tests this year to the new weapon, but no conclusive evidence has been available to date.

Adm Willard’s latest comments appear to remove any doubts. The term “initial operational capability” as used by the Pentagon indicates that some military units have started deployment of the weapon and are capable of using it.
“Beijing has successfully developed, tested, and deployed the world’s first weapons system capable of targeting a moving carrier strike group from long-range, land-based mobile launchers,” said Mr Erickson.
Adm Willard said the new Chinese weapon was still not fully-operational and would probably undergo testing for “several more years”. The key remaining step is a comprehensive test of the entire system at sea, which is much more difficult than test flights over land.
China also needs to deploy more satellites to ensure seamless tracking of a moving target at sea. But defence experts caution that the weapon would immediately be a threat to US carriers because China could make up for a lack in accuracy by launching larger numbers of missiles.
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“If the Chinese or somebody else has a highly accurate anti-ship cruise or ballistic missile that can take out a carrier at hundreds of miles of ranges and therefore in Asia puts us back behind the second island chain, how then do you use carriers differently in the future than we’ve used them in the past?” Mr Gates, US defence secretary, asked.

"Don't worry, babe." answered a fanatic from this forum, "This is only China fan-boy propaganda. There are no specifications of the missile, no announcement of the testing, no whatsoever. It's fake and imaginary." :lol:

“So now we know – China’s [anti-ship ballistic missile] is no longer aspirational,” Andrew Erickson, an expert on the Chinese military at the US Naval War College, said in response to Adm Willard’s comments to the Asahi newspaper.

"But that goes against Physics. And the laws of physics are applicable yesterday as today." Replied the fanatic.

“Beijing has successfully developed, tested, and deployed the world’s first weapons system capable of targeting a moving carrier strike group from long-range, land-based mobile launchers,” said Mr Erickson.

"I've already debunked/destroyed the existence of the missile on Internet via PDF, so we can deploy the carriers business as usual." The fanatic.

:lol:

:rofl:
 
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The carrier-killer missile is not the only thing USA has to worry about. The USA has to worry about China's new stealth fighter-bomber J-20, which can bomb USA bases in East Asia without fear of being detected and locked on by Patriot PAC-3 radars and AEGIS radars.
 
“If the Chinese or somebody else has a highly accurate anti-ship cruise or ballistic missile that can take out a carrier at hundreds of miles of ranges and therefore in Asia puts us back behind the second island chain, how then do you use carriers differently in the future than we’ve used them in the past?” Mr Gates, US defence secretary, asked.

"Don't worry, babe." answered a fanatic from this forum, "This is only China fan-boy propaganda. There are no specifications of the missile, no announcement of the testing, no whatsoever. It's fake and imaginary." :lol:

“So now we know – China’s [anti-ship ballistic missile] is no longer aspirational,” Andrew Erickson, an expert on the Chinese military at the US Naval War College, said in response to Adm Willard’s comments to the Asahi newspaper.

"But that goes against Physics. And the laws of physics are applicable yesterday as today." Replied the fanatic.

“Beijing has successfully developed, tested, and deployed the world’s first weapons system capable of targeting a moving carrier strike group from long-range, land-based mobile launchers,” said Mr Erickson.

"I've already debunked/destroyed the existence of the missile on Internet via PDF, so we can deploy the carriers business as usual." The fanatic.

:lol:

:rofl:


HaHaHa, well said bro, one more thing i like to add, "J-20"=Chinese fanboy photochop as claim by our dear "fanatic" after he got slap by reality and now he switch to "Chinese tighten rare earth export" thread instead.:D
 
HaHaHa, well said bro, one more thing i like to add, "J-20"=Chinese fanboy photochop as claim by our dear "fanatic" after he got slap by reality and now he switch to "Chinese tighten rare earth export" thread instead.:D
That is funny considering whenever I presented an argument that exposes a weakness or debunked a claim, you boys fled or resort to personal attacks...:D...So who really got slapped by reality...???
 
That is funny considering whenever I presented an argument that exposes a weakness or debunked a claim, you boys fled or resort to personal attacks...:D...So who really got slapped by reality...???

Yeah right, i believe you have more "credibility" than the US admiral eh? :rofl::tup:
 
Yeah right, i believe you have more "credibility" than the US admiral eh? :rofl::tup:
Show me where I disputed the good admiral's words. Show me where I said the admiral lied, for example.
 
Hey...Someone got the picture...:D

Here you go "comrade"
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To be honest. I also thought it was just a fanboy stuff. This is definitely game changer. China really looks much much stronger in the region now. Comments by Japanese few days back also make sense now. China is definitely in command at the moment.
 
That is funny considering whenever I presented an argument that exposes a weakness or debunked a claim, you boys fled or resort to personal attacks...:D...So who really got slapped by reality...???

It's ironic for a Vietnamese flight maintanence crew in America to debunk a weapon which the US does not own. I'm not attacking you; it's just that your occupation, and country of origin limits your eligibility to comment on certain weaponry.

So unless you stop arduously waving light sticks and begin sweating in missile assembling lines, your "credible" criticism will continuously be dismissed as nothing but crap from a paddie farmer in Vietnam. Such is the life of an American wannabe.
 
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It's ironic for a Vietnamese flight maintanence crew in America to debunk a weapon which the US does not own.
That argument would disqualify most of the 'debates' here about US weapons, no? Or are you being conveniently selective as to who is 'qualify' to talk about what?

I'm not attacking you;
Of course you are. From petty jealousy at that.

it's just that your occupation, and country of origin limits your eligibility to comment on certain weaponry.
You do not know what I do, in and out of the military, other than what I chose to reveal about myself. But odd that Chinese members here who have no experience whatsoever regarding military affairs are 'eligible' to comment on the US, Japan, and everyone else's military.

So unless you stop arduously waving light sticks and begin sweating in missile assembling lines, your "credible" criticism will continuously be dismissed as nothing but crap from a paddie farmer in Vietnam.
Crap? The ones who were doing any defecating here are your Chinese pals with their persistent violating of the laws of physics and posting Photochop images.

[Mod edit: please don't bring colour into an already charged discussion. With thanks]
 
So basically the missile will mean a change in tactics, but won't make the carrier obsolete, which I have seen some people crowing about.

The most immediate counter would be subs + missiles imo.

Mass numbers is a poor substitute for accuracy, even if it can be effective.



I look forward to seeing what comes into the limelight as the Navy (and Airforce?) reveal the general idea of what their counter is, and you can bet they do have counters with the news its generated for so long.

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“Beijing has successfully developed, tested, and deployed the world’s first weapons system capable of targeting a moving carrier strike group from long-range, land-based mobile launchers,” said Mr Erickson."

Adm. Willard seems to deny this by his statements of it still needing to undergo testing for its designed environment, and it hasn't even been tested against anything that would simulate a moving carrier. Basically it is years off yet.
 
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