China Just Tested A Mach 10 Missile That Could Dodge US Defenses

[Keel]

good analysis Mr.gambit but your last sentence is nonsense in possible future fullflege war with china you need hundreds of those you called tanker drones to deplete DF-21D so think about it no hard feeling

Why did you think @gambit 's was a good analysis?
He is giving everyone a totally wrong explanation to @SvenSvensonov 's request @ post 17!

 

[j20blackdragon]

AIM-120 can fly at Mach 4 and hit a supersonic maneuvering aircraft.

But some trolls on this forum are saying a HGV can't hit an aircraft carrier sailing around on the surface of the ocean at 30 knots.

Smart munitions either work or they don't work. You can't have it both ways.

 

[bobsm]

China Tests Developmental Hypersonic Mach 10 Missile Vs US Defenses, US Urged To Keep Up - International Business Times

China Tests Developmental Hypersonic Mach 10 Missile Vs US Defenses, US Urged To Keep Up

By Esther Tanquintic-Misa | December 5, 2014 4:50 PM EST

China's been busy this week conducting flight tests of a new hypersonic Mach 10 missile which, according to United States intelligence agencies, was primarily developed to evade defense systems of the U.S.

Quoting Marine Corps Lt. Col. Jeff Pool, the Washington Free Beacon reported Pentagon knew of China's experimental launches of the developmental Wu-14 hypersonic glide vehicle. Pool said the latest flight test was actually the third that China did, the first and second being on Jan 9 and Aug 7, respectively.

From what they gathered, Pool said China is perfecting the Wu-14 hypersonic glide to travel up to eight times the speed of sound, describing such speed is a "high-priority element in China's large-scale military buildup." Pool said Pentagon "routinely monitors the foreign defense activities" of other countries.

Launched atop a Chinese ballistic missile, the Wu-14 was released along the edge of space. Previous experiments, the Pentagon said, showed the glide strike vehicle clocked an estimated speed of Mach 10, or 10 times the speed of sound. This is roughly 7,680 miles per hour. Such speeds, according to the Beacon, "create difficult aeronautics and physics challenges for guidance systems and place extreme stress on materials used in construction of the vehicle."

But an annual report released on Nov 29 by the US-China Economic and Security Review Commission said China's Wu-14 hypersonic glide "could render existing U.S. missile defense systems less effective and potentially obsolete." Once deployed, the Wu-14 "could enable China to conduct kinetic strikes anywhere in the world within minutes to hours," the report further stressed.

It also said the high-speed glide vehicle is planned for deployment by China by 2020, along with a scramjet powered hypersonic vehicle by 2025. The weapons, according to Lee Fuell, technical director for force modernization and employment at the National Air and Space Intelligence Center (NASIC), is being "associated with [China's] nuclear deterrent forces."

The commission report also said China is expanding its strategic nuclear forces "significantly," with new missiles, submarines, and multiple-warhead weapons. Rick Fisher, identified by Beacon as a China military affairs analyst, said China will still need to perform more tests before the Wu-14 turns into a working weapon.

However, he urged on the U.S. that now is the time to "expand and accelerate its own hypersonic weapons program" because the country has already lagged behind others, particularly Russia and China. Russia in November announced it is already looking into fielding hypersonic missiles by 2020.

Mark Schneider, a former Pentagon strategic forces specialist, said the latest Chinese hypersonic vehicle test is "a serious threat" because the vehicle is nuclear and "can also be used as conventional version."

 

[gambit]

what?

the very reason that BMD can intercept ballistic paths is because it can predict them accurately. even Indians can predict them

ballistic path theory has been an established science available in every township level bookstore for about 100 years now. go find find me a book on HGV gliding paths and agreeable formulas?

yep in theory, BMD can intercept any dropping objects, after it knows their paths.

not the case with HGV! becuz you can't predict precisely their paths. there'd not even a unified theory on that.

"theoritically feasible" is far from enough to do it in reality. in fact your boss will rofl when you tell him "theoritically feasible" .

It is called 'proportional navigation'. Look it up.

Pro-nav takes in one or many sensor inputs and depending on algorithm sophistication, pro-nav laws will calculate the best intercept path. Missiles uses many different variations of pro-nav laws, including ones specifically designs against maneuvering targets.

In the end, those smilies only prove your ignorance and immaturity about this subject. It is way over your head, kid.

Why did you think @gambit 's was a good analysis?
He is giving everyone a totally wrong explanation to @SvenSvensonov 's request @ post 17!

What was wrong with my post ? I bet most of what I wrote went over your head.

AIM-120 can fly at Mach 4 and hit a supersonic maneuvering aircraft.

But some trolls on this forum are saying a HGV can't hit an aircraft carrier sailing around on the surface of the ocean at 30 knots.

Smart munitions either work or they don't work. You can't have it both ways.

Smart munitions do not have %100 kill rate. Never have and never will. Do you know why ?

 

[siegecrossbow]

There are several hypersonic missiles already in China's pocket, Bill!

Wu-14 is different since it is far more maneuverable on reentry.

 

[cirr]

M 8？Only 8 times the speed of sound？

The US needs to improve its monitoring technolgies。

Or maybe the headless writer was only playing with words and not telling the truth。

 

[Keel]

What was wrong with my post ? I bet most of what I wrote went over your head.

You are silly. Who are you fooling?
1. where is your source?
2. it is just a general common sense vision of how an object be hit (or to avoid being hit) and at the same time how to aim at an object or to lose the chance of hiting the target
3. it explains nothing about why a Chinese HGV does not have the maneuability!

 

[Malik Alashter]

Such speed make the projectile very danger they even don't need it to be a nuclere head!!!>

 

[vsdave2302]

This glide wehicle is released from the edge of atmosphere. US has the interceptor which can intercept the missile in midcourse and and at a high altitude (THAAD). So the title stateing that it can dodge US defense is completely misleading. US interceptors shall intercept the mother missile before releases the glide vehicle.

Such speed make the projectile very danger they even don't need it to be a nuclere head!!!>

BS

 

[cirr]

This glide wehicle is released from the edge of atmosphere. US has the interceptor which can intercept the missile in midcourse and and at a high altitude (THAAD). So the title stateing that it can dodge US defense is completely misleading. US interceptors shall intercept the mother missile before releases the glide vehicle.

BS

 

[vsdave2302]

BS

Ignorant

 

[Ultima Thule]

Then the American BMD system can intercept the Chinese HGV. If we can intercept a descending ballistic warhead, intercepting anything with a less steep glide slope is also feasible.


Lasers are on the way, buddy, despite what your out of date knowledge about lasers may say. All your sucking up to the Chinese will not stop US progress in this area. No hard feelings, son.

US BMD is basically to counter ICBM's warheads falling through high arc in space, it has no capability against Chinese HGV which travels totally in atmosphere, US BMD is design to intercepts warheads that travels orbital speed and as for Lasers it s long way to go to achieve successful tactical Laser, what about your ronald reagan star war's x-ray's pumped laser setliete and what about your ABL project they are all flop projects because laser is good for short ranges but at the hundred of kilometers laser is diffused by slight rain, snow or atmospheric distortion, this is why your ABL project is dead

 

[siegecrossbow]

US BMD is basically to counter ICBM's warheads falling through high arc in space, it has no capability against Chinese HGV which travels totally in atmosphere, US BMD is design to intercepts warheads that travels orbital speed and as for Lasers it s long way to go to achieve successful tactical Laser, what about your ronald reagan star war's x-ray's pumped laser setliete and what about your ABL project they are all flop projects because laser is good for short ranges but at the hundred of kilometers laser is diffused by slight rain, snow or atmospheric distortion, this is why your ABL project is dead

Lasers mounted on aircraft are best used to intercept ballistic missiles at the "boost stage", when the missile is at its most vulnerable. Actual warheads are hardened to withstand reentry heat. Point defence lasers probably won't work as well against reentering warheads.

 

[Beast]

This glide wehicle is released from the edge of atmosphere. US has the interceptor which can intercept the missile in midcourse and and at a high altitude (THAAD). So the title stateing that it can dodge US defense is completely misleading. US interceptors shall intercept the mother missile before releases the glide vehicle.

It can be easily explained. Traditional ballistic missile hit point or trajectory re entry point can be easily track and estimate. For example, China wants to strike california. Counter measures will be placed like Aegis destroyer at california to try take down the ICBM at outside atmosphere before re entry which is the most vulnerable point.

But HGV is a different ball game. The ballistic missile carry HGV may fired at trajectory or the so called re entry point can be planned few hundreds km from the target and using hypersonice glide travel hundreds of miles to strike the intended target. In this way, you cant estimate where the re entry point is, re entry point is the weakness trajectory for a pure ballistic missile and best moment to defeat it. Now the HGV eliminate this weak pin point determined trajectory entry since HGV can glide hundreds of miles to reach its target in hypersonic speed. How mant ABM destroyer or system need to cover the possible re entry point since now it become unpredicted even you know its intended target is where?

That is where HGV is liked a silver bullet.

 

[Sanchez]

Wu-14 is different since it is far more maneuverable on reentry.

The difference is with or without scramjet!