China has built the world's largest navy. Now what's Beijing going to do with it?

[LeGenD]

I don't know where they got their information but their VLS count is grossly inaccurate. If the rest of their article is as 'credible' as their estimate, then this is an information free propaganda piece.

List of ships of the People's Liberation Army Navy - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Even using the absolute most conservative estimate of ships on full active duty, the 1x 055, 15x 052D and 6x 052C already has 1500 VLS with another 1000 VLS from 31x 054A frigates with 32x cells and 4x older destroyers with 48x cells.

That's not counting an entire half of the destroyer fleet that's in sea trials (not under construction, they're already in the water).

Fair enough. There are technical/qualitative considerations however.

VLS of Type 052C are HQ-9 SAM enabled/optimized.
VLS of Type 05A are HHQ-16 enabled/optimized.
VLS of Type 052D and Type 055 are superior and multi-munition capable.

USN still have a much higher VLS count (multi-munition capable), and much stronger in defensive applications with an array of interceptor types capable of intercepting a wide range of targets ranging from TBMs to ICBMs in addition to cruise missiles, aircraft, UAVs and more. PLAN have fielded an array of long-range cruise missiles which is good decision on its part but USN have a massive and far-reaching air-wing in comparison. USN is also very strong in the EW and sensor-netting regimes.

Fleet composition and operational capacity of PLAN and USN is vastly different in the present; USN have a much higher count of aircraft carriers, amphibious assault ships, cruisers, destroyers, and nuclear-powered submarines whereas PLAN have a much higher count of Frigates, Corvettes and diesel-powered submarines in the present. USN is much better equipped to patrol vast oceans as well as long-lasting in distant missions by extension.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Fair enough. There are technical/qualitative considerations however.

VLS of Type 052C are HQ-9 SAM enabled/optimized.
VLS of Type 05A are HHQ-16 enabled/optimized.
VLS of Type 052D and Type 055 are superior and multi-munition capable.

USN still have a much higher VLS count (multi-munition capable), and much stronger in defensive applications with an array of interceptor types capable of intercepting a wide range of targets ranging from TBMs to ICBMs in addition to cruise missiles, aircraft, UAVs and more. PLAN have fielded an array of long-range cruise missiles which is good decision on its part but USN have a massive and far-reaching air-wing in comparison. USN is also very strong in the EW and sensor-netting regimes.

Fleet composition and operational capacity of PLAN and USN is vastly different in the present; USN have a much higher count of aircraft carriers, amphibious assault ships, cruisers, destroyers, and nuclear-powered submarines whereas PLAN have a much higher count of Frigates, Corvettes and diesel-powered submarines in the present. USN is much better equipped to patrol vast oceans as well as long-lasting in distant missions by extension.

It's easy to make allegations off of fake information when paid to do so. It is much harder to refute it when doing so for free.

They didn't have all this complex nuance, they just gave a number that was wrong. If they're wrong about a simple number that is refuted by Wikipedia what else are they wrong about?

 

[LeGenD]

It's easy to make allegations off of fake information when paid to do so. It is much harder to refute it when doing so for free.

They didn't have all this complex nuance, they just gave a number that was wrong. If they're wrong about a simple number that is refuted by Wikipedia what else are they wrong about?

Your complaint is better directed towards the thread-starter in this case.

Please do recheck # 31 - it is correct.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Your complaint is better directed towards the thread-starter in this case.

Please do recheck # 31 - it is correct.

My complaint is about the original article. I simply trust nothing that they say because if someone is a liar about easily verified facts then they're likely a liar about everything.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

You also have to count naval aviation, and US navy don't have anything close to Chinese navy's land based KJ-500 AWACs, H-6N strategic bombers, Flanker type combat jets.

 

[yacht07]

 

[S.Y.A]

Since we cant afford a big navy, ours should simply invite a PLAN carrier group to be based in Ormara/Gwadar. Win win situation for both, China will be close to gulf, and we will get much needed security.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

China needs at least 6 carriers by the 2030s. They can station one at Gwadar.

 

[shanlung]

PLAN have the numbers but USN have both global reach and unparalleled power projection capabilities.

Consider the sheer gap in following metric for instance: "The US has more than 9,000 vertical launch missile cells on its surface ships to China's 1,000 or so" - very telling.

Now consider qualitative comparisons in other areas such as submarines, jet fighters, aircraft carriers, Electronic Warfare capabilities, sensor-netting capabilities and more - PLAN does not compare TBH.

What about another kind of comparison?
How good their 9,000 vertical launch missile cells on its surface ships to China's 1,000 or so" when pushing get into shoving?

Murica still wanna rock & roll in addition to phony FONOPs and being self appointed policeman and marshall of the world?

China got 3000+++ Mach 3+ YJ12s YJ18s good enough to burn USA 100,000 ton carriers from end to end , not to talk about taking out USA Burkes and Ticos.

And a whole hosts of other smaller YJs numbered in thousands.

And CM401s

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

What about another kind of comparison?
How good their 9,000 vertical launch missile cells on its surface ships to China's 1,000 or so" when pushing get into shoving?

Murica still wanna rock & roll in addition to phony FONOPs and being self appointed policeman and marshall of the world?

China got 3000+++ Mach 3+ YJ12s YJ18s good enough to burn USA 100,000 ton carriers from end to end , not to talk about taking out USA Burkes and Ticos.

And a whole hosts of other smaller YJs numbered in thousands.

And CM401s

It only takes 1 missile to sink a ship. And Chinese missiles are far more potent than American missiles.

 

[fallstuff]

China will lead the world to a new era characterized by true freedom and progress.

The original sin of Europe and their colonies that can never be erased is slavery, racism and imperialism. China does not have that burden.

It kinda goes against what China been saying about not trying to lead the world !

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

It kinda goes against what China been saying about not trying to lead the world !

Times change. The 21st century is one of the most critical times for ensuring human survival. it is either a step towards a shining future or sinking back into barbarism. If the entire human race is at risk, would you insist on sticking with rhetoric from some mumbo jumbo in the long distant past, or to take action to rescue humanity from the darkness?

 

[Beast]

having the biggest navy is one thing having the the best is quite another

if we are talking about numbers then North Korea also has the biggest navy by numbers

or is this Chinese fanboy trying to compare China to USN? in which case his is making a complete fool of himself

Largest navy is measure by tonnage. Not amount of fishing boats u have. Tell how North Korean has the largest tonnage despite having more ships?

Regards to quality and training. I am sure USN is not on top of list with basic seamanship not even grasp by normal crews with 2 low quality accident happened in Japan and strait of malacca recently. That is totally avoidable if basic crew training are applied.

If u can't even do basic correct. Don't talk about more advance one.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

having the biggest navy is one thing having the the best is quite another

if we are talking about numbers then North Korea also has the biggest navy by numbers

or is this Chinese fanboy trying to compare China to USN? in which case his is making a complete fool of himself

North Korea navy ships. Don't seem that impressive.

List of active ships of the Korean People's Navy - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[zectech]

The key to any naval success is air defense. That is why so many European navies rely heavily on air defense and multipurpose destroyers and frigates. This is why I argue heavily on a navy's half fleet being submarines to be protected by the water. However, with ASW, those subs are aided in protection by proximity to surface fleets, so again things come down to air defense. Ballistic and other hypersonic weapons are the game changers, which is why to save your fleet you need ABM and other advanced ADS to defend your fleet.