China built fleet of naval surveillance ships = more than other 5x nations ships

[Carlosa]

No, Viet Nam does not need everything that her enemy has. Did Vietnam possess nuke back in 1979? No.

Viet Nam just need 3 things:

1. Long range missiles capable of carrying nuke warhead.

2. Nuke warhead.

3. A solid Air defence to minimize retaliation.

With those 3, you don't need an AC.

Oh, and one more thing

A unified Greater Sub-Mekong delta empire. It would either be allied to the US or China.

Submarines guys, subs, subs and more subs. That's what makes the difference. Everything else is just to show the flag during peacetime.

And after subs, more aircraft.

 

[Tshering22]

Haha our government accept everybody helps, right now Indonesia has an agreement with China, US and Japan regarding the capacity building of our newly born coast guard as those three countries has an excellent Coast Guard. Recently China offering training and surveillance courses to us

Then you need one with us.

Just to make it a pan-Asian agreement.

 

[cnleio]

No, Viet Nam does not need everything that her enemy has. Did Vietnam possess nuke back in 1979? No.

Viet Nam just need 3 things:

1. Long range missiles capable of carrying nuke warhead.

2. Nuke warhead.

3. A solid Air defence to minimize retaliation.

With those 3, you don't need an AC.

Oh, and one more thing

A unified Greater Sub-Mekong delta empire. It would either be allied to the US or China.

Still a big dream ... nuke or cake, which vietnam can have ? who support it ?

Not really. It Has less to do with communism (look at north Korea), but more to do with governance. Had China been under KMT like Taiwan, it would have done same or even far better than under the CCP. since it wouldn't have gone through the lost decades of isolation/ideological fanaticism of Mao's era. It would have been at par or far ahead of its peers Japan and Korea .

Similarly, I don't think a communist party would have done better had it been ruling India either. In fact though many of us laugh at India's chaotic/inefficient democratic system, its still the best for country else it would have been divided into several different countries a while ago. Lol After all, the people get the government they deserve.

Im just confused ... now except TaiWan's higher per capita GDP than mainland of China, what achievement TaiWan got during past 60 years ? Economy、Military、Political diplomacy ?

Since recent years of 'TaiWan Free Tour' for mainland travellers, many Chinese had visited TaiWan island, even TaiBei city just looks as same as a 2nd-tier city inside mainland, not that rich as we thought. My question is, what's better KMT's TaiWan than CCP's mainland of China ?

Here is the thread, how Chinese cities of PRC looks like (one point, i believe now our living standard is high):
How do you Chinese view the rapid development of the past 35 years?

 

[William Hung]

no, sub-Mekong delta empire is niceguy´s dream

It's true my friend. Laugh now cry later.

The bodyguard organ of the VCP has already negotiated with the CIA.

A Breakthrough in US-Vietnam Relations | The Diplomat

Do you know what one of the things they agreed behind closed door? Work together to eliminate all the anti-US Thai leaders. And eliminate all the anti-UGSMDE opposition. Then unify the region.

Even the Thai general Thonbdhdjdjshsgj (sorry I forgot how to spell his name) has already accepted this plan with the VCP.

It's not about trusting bro. There are things that are just above you for now. You
Look even more funnier than Viet's claim of aircraft carriers/destroyers . you think Vietnam should build nukes? Even if they could (which I font believe they can as of now), they will be sanctioned/isolated by the international community (yes even the U.S/west will join)I

Still a big dream ... nuke or cake, which vietnam can have ? who support it ?

It will happen. You think VN care about sanctions when they've already told the US "We will never make a formal agreement not to enrich uranium"? The US said okay no problem.

As for technical ability. China will assist.

Basically, China will provide assistance for VN to develop long range missiles and nuke warhead. Since China's BMD system is not mature like its western counterpart, so the US will provide their own BMD system to VN. Like how the US will be providing THAAD to SK.

This mean that VN will have nuclear deterrent, capable of even reaching Beijing. And VN will have a strong BMD system to prevent any retaliations, or any outside intervention from the US, etc.

 

[cnleio]

It will happen. You think VN care about sanctions when they've already told the US "We will never make a formal agreement not to enrich uranium"? The US said okay no problem.

As for technical ability. China will assist.

Basically, China will provide assistance for VN to develop long range missiles and nuke warhead. Since China's BMD system is not mature like its western counterpart, so the US will provide their own BMD system to VN. Like how the US will be providing THAAD to SK.

This mean that VN will have nuclear deterrent, capable of even reaching Beijing. And VN will have a strong BMD system to prevent any retaliations, or any outside intervention from the US, etc.

Im tired of hearing "Vietnam will have nuke or something" ... ... what u doing here is just waiting, waiting for foreign assistance, waiting for Russian or American provide nuke techs even enrich uranium machines ... indeed all b@llsh!t !

VN won't have any nuke ... coz u r waiting for the pity from the foreign.

 

[William Hung]

Im tired of hearing "Vietnam will have nuke or something" ... ... what u doing here is just waiting, waiting for foreign assistance, waiting for Russian or American provide nuke techs even enrich uranium machines ... indeed all b@llsh!t !

VN won't have any nuke ... coz u r waiting for the pity from the foreign.

China can provide millions of assistance to VN like it did back in the France-VN war. The assistance for missiles and nuke warhead won't need to be costly. VN just need missiles with the range around 2979km. China has plenty of money and knowledge for that requirement.

 

[cnleio]

China can provide millions of assistance to VN like it did back in the France-VN war. The assistance for missiles and nuke warhead won't need to be costly. VN just need missiles with the range around 2979km. China has plenty of money and knowledge for that requirement.

If there's another Vietnam-War, China will help Vietnam again ... but non-including any WMD.

Less nuke, more Peace in this world.

 

[Zarvan]

A latest Chinese news quoted the U.S Navy report (pls post the official report), during past 3x years China had increased 25% naval surveillance ships. Most of them used for patrolling in SCS.

According to U.S Navy report, the numbers of China naval surveillance ships more than Japan + Vietnam + Indonesia + Malaysia + Philippines, over naval surveillance ships of five nations.

In 2014 China different shipyards launched over 60x surveillance ships, 2015 will built the same numbers. The report said:" 2013 ~ 2014, China built naval ships more than any nation in this region. It will keep such building speed during 2015 ~ 2016 time. "

China also building many artificial islands in SCS, the Washington increasingly worried about China's maritime power.

Although China economy growth slow down, China military expenditure still rising. This March China government announced to increase 10% military budger, reach to 141.5 billion USD.

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美军报告：中国海军作战能力大幅提升
JANE PERLEZ 2015年04月12日

新加坡——美国海军发布的一份新报告称，中国正在迅速建造海警船，过去三年里海警船的数量已经增加了25%。在中国，海警船最常被用来在南海巡逻。

报告显示，中国有世界上规模最大的海警舰队，海警船数量比日本、越南、印度尼西亚、马来西亚和菲律宾加起来还多。


这是美国海军下属的海军情报局(Office of Naval Intelligence)九年来对中国海军做出的首份非机密评估。该评估报告称，过去15年间的快速现代化，正在产生明显的效果。

这份报告称，中国海军正“逐步在2020年前大幅提升作战能力，手段是快速采购装备，并提升行动的熟练度”。

报告称，中国2014年开始建造、下水和投入使用的舰只超过60艘，2015年计划中的船只数量也差不多。报告接着表示，“2013年和2014年，中国下水的海军舰只数量比其他任何国家都多，并且预计会在2015年到2016年期间，继续这一趋势。”

在太平洋上，美国海军面临的来自中国的压力与日俱增。此外，随着中国在南海争议水域开展填海工程，建造人工岛屿，华盛顿越来越担心中国的海上实力。

中国外交部在周四表示，新岛屿将用于多种目的，包括在该航道上构筑防御性军事能力。该航道是全世界最繁忙的贸易路线之一。

上述报告指出，尽管经济增长放缓，中国军费仍在以两位数的速率增长，中国今年3月宣布将军费预算提高10%，达到1415亿美元（约合9000亿元人民币）。

按照中国国家主席习近平提出的使中国成为海洋强国的目标，中国在未来十年将会拥有一支更加强大、作战范围更广的海军，还将拥有多艘航空母舰（中国目前只有一艘航母），以及弹道导弹核潜艇，可能还会有一艘大型两栖舰艇。该报告称，中国海军目前拥有驱逐舰、护卫舰和常规潜艇。

位于罗德岛的美国海军战争学院(United States Naval War College)的副教授安德鲁·S·埃里克森(Andrew S. Erickson)表示，该报告印证了中国官方新闻媒体最近报道的消息，即中国部署了新一代超音速反舰巡航导弹YJ-18，这种导弹会对美国及其盟友的舰载防空系统带来前所未有的挑战。

埃里克森表示，“每一个重视了解中国军事实力的人都应该熟悉这种导弹。”

《中国日报》上周报道，中国制造了三艘“先进的核动力攻击潜艇”，其中的“093G型”攻击潜艇配有机翼剖面状围壳，能够提高速度和灵活性、降低噪音。该报道称，该潜艇载有能够发射中国最新部署的YJ–18超音速反舰巡航导弹的垂直发射装置。

美国海军战争学院中国海事研究所(China Maritime Studies Institute)副教授莱尔·J·戈尔茨坦(Lyle J. Goldstein)表示，在过去，中国得到过俄罗斯提供的反舰巡航导弹，而现在，中国正在国内制造这种导弹，并且进行大批量部署。

“这种导弹和从空中发射的YJ-12导弹，对美国海军构成了重大威胁，”戈尔茨坦说。“速度的大幅提升使得这种导弹更难拦截。”
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Large vessel: > 1,000 ton
Small vessel: 500~1,000 ton
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Well now that is what you call speed

 

[mike2000 is back]

It's true my friend. Laugh now cry later.

The bodyguard organ of the VCP has already negotiated with the CIA.

A Breakthrough in US-Vietnam Relations | The Diplomat

Do you know what one of the things they agreed behind closed door? Work together to eliminate all the anti-US Thai leaders. And eliminate all the anti-UGSMDE opposition. Then unify the region.

Even the Thai general Thonbdhdjdjshsgj (sorry I forgot how to spell his name) has already accepted this plan with the VCP.

It will happen. You think VN care about sanctions when they've already told the US "We will never make a formal agreement not to enrich uranium"? The US said okay no problem.

As for technical ability. China will assist.

Basically, China will provide assistance for VN to develop long range missiles and nuke warhead. Since China's BMD system is not mature like its western counterpart, so the US will provide their own BMD system to VN. Like how the US will be providing THAAD to SK.

This mean that VN will have nuclear deterrent, capable of even reaching Beijing. And VN will have a strong BMD system to prevent any retaliations, or any outside intervention from the US, etc.

LOOL I like your sarcasm.

If there's another Vietnam-War, China will help Vietnam again ... but non-including any WMD.

Less nuke, more Peace in this world.

LOOL he's being sarcastic/joking. Don't understand how you can't see that. Jeez....

 

[Viet]

I think China should be the one who trying to help Vietnam to get away from those sanction at the price of Vietnam dependency from China, and at the same time working so hard to made their development process keep stalled and unfinished like what happened in Iran

have I told you lately I had a feeling you hate Vietnam. I wonder why?

that is no reason for hatred if your navy and coast guard suck and lag behind Vietnam. you just need to work harder for your dream. at this stage and speed, your dream of becoming leader of asean may come true in 100 years. if ever.

 

[mike2000 is back]

Submarines guys, subs, subs and more subs. That's what makes the difference. Everything else is just to show the flag during peacetime.

And after subs, more aircraft.

Well said my man. But our good friend Viet seems to think otherwise. He's saying Vietnam needs destroyers, aircraft carriers , nukes etc sorry for laughing my friend Viet, but I can't help it sometimes. Think you should be more sensible/realistic as you have been so far. In fact you l(aonf with carlosa)are one of the only Vietnamese member here who is rather sensible/pragmatic/less biased/make credible statement. Will be a shame if you down others way bro. So keep calm and carry on

Still a big dream ... nuke or cake, which vietnam can have ? who support it ?


Im just confused ... now except TaiWan's higher per capita GDP than mainland of China, what achievement TaiWan got during past 60 years ? Economy、Military、Political diplomacy ?

Since recent years of 'TaiWan Free Tour' for mainland travellers, many Chinese had visited TaiWan island, even TaiBei city just looks as same as a 2nd-tier city inside mainland, not that rich as we thought. My question is, what's better KMT's TaiWan than CCP's mainland of China ?

Here is the thread, how Chinese cities of PRC looks like (one point, i believe now our living standard is high):
How do you Chinese view the rapid development of the past 35 years?

Lool you are saying China has a higher living Standard/is wealthier than Taiwan because some of your tier 1 city might look better with more shinny skycrappers compared to Taiwan's? By that reasoning China is also wealthier/more advanced than Norway since your shanghai might be better looking than Oslo.
You also say Taiwan hasn't achieve much compared to CCPs China? So you think Mainland is better in evey sense than Taiwan? You saying what has Taiwan achieved is very funny. If they hadn't achieved much then they wouldn't have helped you developed yourself that much when you opened up your country and was looking for foreign investors to put an end to your backwardness/isolation. Taiwan indeed helped invest in China massively , wayyyy more than the west/U.s and even Japan. Just because you have now grown relatively wwealthythats why you now think you are far better than Taiwan. Funny thing is even today many Chinese electronics made in China is owned by Taiwanese firms ho moved their production to China like foxconn, mediatek(all Chinese mobile manufacturers really on them for their processors since china has no equivalent),TSMC etc . for a small islands theythey have achived wayyyyy morw than giant China. If chiba could achieve what Taiwan has achieved productivity per head/tech wise the it will dwarf the U.S in every sense giving it's size. So chill down bro.

 

[Viet]

Well said my man. But our good friend Viet seems to think otherwise. He's saying Vietnam needs destroyers, aircraft carriers , nukes etc sorry for laughing my friend Viet, but I can't help it sometimes. Think you should be more sensible/realistic as you have been so far. In fact you l(aonf with carlosa)are one of the only Vietnamese member here who is rather sensible/pragmatic/less biased/make credible statement. Will be a shame if you down others way bro. So keep calm and carry on .

bro, I´m afraid you missed the big picture.

if you think whatever I say is true, then you are wrong.
if you think Vietnam just hates China, because it is China, then you are 100% wrong.
if you think I encourage our navy seeking destroyers and aircraft carrier just to have fancy toys we don´t need, impressing people we don´t know, then you are wrong and...right.

we are living to the giant country and remain independent for more than 1,000 years. Despite Chinese rulers think days and nights searching ways how to swallow Vietnam. we have times of confrontation, and times of peaceful cooperation. on-off relationship. nothing special. we know them, and they know us. I can tell you what a common chinese thinks about a certain thing, what he/she likes or dislikes. what a Chinese thinks about an englishman as mike. Also I can tell you what they dream at night. we are virtually their shadow.

do you know our secrets in dealing with china?
one is deception. I tell you an example.

long time ago, during the nguyen dynasty, our emperor nguyen hue did not want to go to china, he instead sent a double to the chinese emperor. earlier, we established two heads of state: one junior to deal with China, the senior ruled Vietnam.

I believe the Chinese emperors were not amused, when they noticed later such vietnamese tricks

 

[Carlosa]

Well said my man. But our good friend Viet seems to think otherwise. He's saying Vietnam needs destroyers, aircraft carriers , nukes etc sorry for laughing my friend Viet, but I can't help it sometimes. Think you should be more sensible/realistic as you have been so far. In fact you l(aonf with carlosa)are one of the only Vietnamese member here who is rather sensible/pragmatic/less biased/make credible statement. Will be a shame if you down others way bro. So keep calm and carry on .

Its ok, Viet bro always has big dreams; some people say that dreaming big is one way to help manifest what you desire so lets see if he gets lucky on that one.

Lool you are saying China has a higher living Standard/is wealthier than Taiwan because some of your tier 1 city might look better with more shinny skycrappers compared to Taiwan's? By that reasoning China is also wealthier/more advanced than Norway since your shanghai might be better looking than Oslo.
You also say Taiwan hasn't achieve much compared to CCPs China? So you think Mainland is better in evey sense than Taiwan? You saying what has Taiwan achieved is very funny. If they hadn't achieved much then they wouldn't have helped you developed yourself that much when you opened up your country and was looking for foreign investors to put an end to your backwardness/isolation. Taiwan indeed helped invest in China massively , wayyyy more than the west/U.s and even Japan. Just because you have now grown relatively wwealthythats why you now think you are far better than Taiwan. Funny thing is even today many Chinese electronics made in China is owned by Taiwanese firms ho moved their production to China like foxconn, mediatek(all Chinese mobile manufacturers really on them for their processors since china has no equivalent),TSMC etc . for a small islands theythey have achived wayyyyy morw than giant China. If chiba could achieve what Taiwan has achieved productivity per head/tech wise the it will dwarf the U.S in every sense giving it's size. So chill down bro.

Only people that are not familiar enough with Taiwan can make such statements.
I don't pretend to put anybody down, but China is 1 or 2 generations behind from the level that Taiwan has at the moment. Much of china is still a developing country; Shanghai and Beijing do not represent the chinese average. If we consider education levels and social measures of comparison, we are easily talking 2 generations if not more behind.

 

[cnleio]

Lool you are saying China has a higher living Standard/is wealthier than Taiwan because some of your tier 1 city might look better with more shinny skycrappers compared to Taiwan's? By that reasoning China is also wealthier/more advanced than Norway since your shanghai might be better looking than Oslo.
You also say Taiwan hasn't achieve much compared to CCPs China? So you think Mainland is better in evey sense than Taiwan? You saying what has Taiwan achieved is very funny. If they hadn't achieved much then they wouldn't have helped you developed yourself that much when you opened up your country and was looking for foreign investors to put an end to your backwardness/isolation. Taiwan indeed helped invest in China massively , wayyyy more than the west/U.s and even Japan. Just because you have now grown relatively wwealthythats why you now think you are far better than Taiwan. Funny thing is even today many Chinese electronics made in China is owned by Taiwanese firms ho moved their production to China like foxconn, mediatek(all Chinese mobile manufacturers really on them for their processors since china has no equivalent),TSMC etc . for a small islands theythey have achived wayyyyy morw than giant China. If chiba could achieve what Taiwan has achieved productivity per head/tech wise the it will dwarf the U.S in every sense giving it's size. So chill down bro.

LOL ... u didn't watch above thread of Chinese cities development, don't u ? I didn't mention BeiJing or ShangHai 1st-teir big city in China, i said 2nd-teir cities like WuHan、NanJing、ChongQing、TianJing、HangZhou、NanChang etc, these middle cities developed better and better now, our photos of daily life to prove it.

Yes TaiWan indeed helped invest in China massively ... what they search in mainland is for cheaper labors & cost down, as the same reason now some of them moving to ASEAN for cheaper labors coz Chinese salary rise up.

Do not confuse me again ... i ever worked in FOXCONN(ShenZhen) for three years, SE for Acer PC projects ... i with my Chinese colleagues worked in Hardware and Software R&D departments, i clearly knew how TaiWan IT company worked in mainland of China ... without Chinese smart brains working in these TaiWan company, they'r NOTHING !

U think there'r all Taiwanese work for TaiWan high-tech company in mainland of China ? LOL ... Joke, bro ! Truth is all r Chinese engineers and Chinese skilled workers, only few Taiwannese as the manager ... Besides Chinese brains, the complete supply chain only produced in mainland of China.


BTW most China smartphone manufacturers they used Qualcomm CPU much more than mediatek(MTK), HuaWei used their own Haisi kirin CPU.

 

[TaiShang]

Still a big dream ... nuke or cake, which vietnam can have ? who support it ?


Im just confused ... now except TaiWan's higher per capita GDP than mainland of China, what achievement TaiWan got during past 60 years ? Economy、Military、Political diplomacy ?

Since recent years of 'TaiWan Free Tour' for mainland travellers, many Chinese had visited TaiWan island, even TaiBei city just looks as same as a 2nd-tier city inside mainland, not that rich as we thought. My question is, what's better KMT's TaiWan than CCP's mainland of China ?

Here is the thread, how Chinese cities of PRC looks like (one point, i believe now our living standard is high):
How do you Chinese view the rapid development of the past 35 years?

Taiwan's politics is in chaos and part of the reason is due to the strong feeling of being outshined by the Mainland from all aspects of national development. The only reason they do not suffer the similar identity crisis that of Hong Kong is because they still have that feeling of independence.

Taipei? Frankly, no more than a second tier mainland city.