Children should marry by parents' choice: Deoband

[Spring Onion]

What should have been and what could have been is different than what is. Caste system is more localized problem and most prevalent in North West India and Pakistan.

One can always pick up texts from obscure Hindu religious texts(like many did before) and prove Hinduism don't support caste system or caste system was merit based in ancient time which has become hereditary by the course of time. But the reality is way different for both Hindus and Muslims in subcontinent.

1. Abir spare Pakistan. we dont practice untouchability cast system of India.

2. If Untouchability prevails in North or South India then its you guys who have to change it and not to justify it by coming up with false claims against other faiths.

3. Those who picked up few things made this cast system i guess after thousands of years those people by now should have been proven wrong which is not the case

4. Surely the reality is different for south asians but the issue is graver at your side and should be acknowledged instead of finding faults with others and before coming up with rants against others.

5. It is more Ironic and silly when the same Deobandis in India give statement in favour of Indian occupation of a Muslim Country Kashmir these Deobandi alim/ulema become/s TRUE Patriotic Indians but when the same Ulema speak about own faith and rules these same Deobandi people becomes only MUSLIMS and object for throwing mud on Islam by Hindu Indians.

This is really amusing how you people change your colour and show hatred towards your Indian countrymen just because they are Muslims.

 

[ashok321]

Pakistani-American sociologist Ayesha Jalal writes, in her book, "Democracy and Authoritarianism in South Asia", that "Despite its egalitarian principles, Islam in South Asia historically has been unable to avoid the impact of class and caste inequalities

 

[Spring Onion]

The point is Arabs discriminate you because you being non-Arab just as Brahmins discriminate Shudras because them being non-Brahims.

Arabs were pagans and we can understand some people do carry habits if idol worshipers. being arab is one thing and being Muslim is another. Islam doesnt given this discrimination practice like one given by Hinduism or brahmins. So your logic for claiming cast system in Islam is wrong.


For entire Muslim Ummah the last sermon of Prophet (PBUH) is final and authority wherein he said "No Arab has any preference over Non-Arab neither a Non-Arab over an Arab, no white over a black, no black over a white".

The great Prophet had thus eliminated all kinds of racism

 

[ashok321]

Pasmanda Muslim Mahaz (Urdu for "Marginalised Muslim Front") is an Indian Muslim social reform organization dedicated to the emancipation of the Dalit Muslims belonging to the "Arzal" Untouchable Caste in the Caste system among South Asian Muslims. It was founded by Ali Anwar in Patna, Bihar. Anwar himself is a Dalit Muslim belonging to the Ansari sub-Caste

 

[Spring Onion]

Pakistani-American sociologist Ayesha Jalal writes, in her book, "Democracy and Authoritarianism in South Asia", that "Despite its egalitarian principles, Islam in South Asia historically has been unable to avoid the impact of class and caste inequalities

Surely because newly converts still are having their old habits from their old idol worshiping religion.

 

[LaBong]

1. Abir spare Pakistan. we dont practice untouchability cast system of India.

2. If Untouchability prevails in North or South India then its you guys who have to change it and not to justify it by coming up with false claims against other faiths.

3. Those who picked up few things made this cast system i guess after thousands of years those people by now should have been proven wrong which is not the case

4. Surely the reality is different for south asians but the issue is graver at your side and should be acknowledged instead of finding faults with others and before coming up with rants against others.

5. It is more Ironic and silly when the same Deobandis in India give statement in favour of Indian occupation of a Muslim Country Kashmir these Deobandi alim/ulema become/s TRUE Patriotic Indians but when the same Ulema speak about own faith and rules these same Deobandi people becomes only MUSLIMS and object for throwing mud on Islam by Hindu Indians.

This is really amusing how you people change your colour and show hatred towards your Indian countrymen just because they are Muslims.

Why spare Pakistan when Caste system is more prevalent in NW India and Pakistan? Hindus atleast have the excuse of them being religiously bound, what excuse do the Muslims Pakistanis have? Do the not honour kill or allow Bhangis inside their house? Oh don't kid me with all these.

I don't have any issue with Deoband as long as they don't declare a fatwa on my head, I jumped in the discussion seeing people pitting each other on caste system.

 

[integra]

Anyways back to topic, children should marry on their own choices(well when they become adults). That should diversify universal culture.

 

[LaBong]

Arabs were pagans and we can understand some people do carry habits if idol worshipers. being arab is one thing and being Muslim is another. Islam doesnt given this discrimination practice like one given by Hinduism or brahmins. So your logic for claiming cast system in Islam is wrong.


For entire Muslim Ummah the last sermon of Prophet (PBUH) is final and authority wherein he said "No Arab has any preference over Non-Arab neither a Non-Arab over an Arab, no white over a black, no black over a white".

The great Prophet had thus eliminated all kinds of racism

I never claimed Islam allow caste system, but Muslims follow caste system. A religion is as good as the people practicing the religion.

 

[Spring Onion]

Pasmanda Muslim Mahaz (Urdu for "Marginalised Muslim Front") is an Indian Muslim social reform organization dedicated to the emancipation of the Dalit Muslims belonging to the "Arzal" Untouchable Caste in the Caste system among South Asian Muslims. It was founded by Ali Anwar in Patna, Bihar. Anwar himself is a Dalit Muslim belonging to the Ansari sub-Caste

its sorry state of affairs in India where even Muslims are called dalits by hindus. We feel sorry for them for choosing cast infested India where they are fast becoming half hindu half Muslims.

and oh please thora aur zor lagao you still are a long way to come up with something substantial.


Oh please check out this arzai or whatever is it might has some hindu roots because we dont have any such casts in Muslims

 

[ashok321]

Surely because newly converts still are having their old habits from their old idol worshiping religion.

Hence the cast is prevelant. Go n stop it.

 

[ashok321]

Anwar founded the organization after observing Caste oppression by upper-caste "Ashraf" Muslims on Muslim untouchables, causing him to become a leftist and associate with the Communist Party of India (Marxist)


He assembled a loose coalition of social reform organizations bringing awareness towards the plight of the Dalit Muslims and their complete neglect and persecution by the upper-caste "Ashraf" (supposedly "Arab-descended") Muslims in India

 

[Spring Onion]

I never claimed Islam allow caste system, but Muslims follow caste system. A religion is as good as the people practicing the religion.

We dont follow any such thing that is compared to Untouchability as being advocated in Hindu cast system .

Racism is one thing and Untouchability is another. Even among Arabs despite this racism behaviour there is NO Untouchability for other Muslims from any part of the world.

You can clearly see the difference during Hajj all black, white, arbs, non-arabs, africans, indians, Pakistanis all are equal and same at one place.

 

[Spring Onion]

Hence the cast is prevelant. Go n stop it.

lolzzzz what a government system has to do with hindu practices in Pakistan ?


NO cast system is prevalent in Islam neither among us.


You better go and change your Untouchability among Indian Hindus.

 

[integra]

Hey ashok why don't you consult you fellow muslims of india? If they practice caste they aren't muslims in the first place. They are one of you.

 

[Skies]

Children should marry by parents' choice: Deoband

Not Necessarily.

We can consult with our parents, but not comply with them always.