Chengdu J-20 5th Generation Aircraft News & Discussions

[CIA Mole]

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Whose visit? Their own visit? Source?

No additional info aside from the Scramble's own statement, which is a media of/for Dutch aviation society. I will take the words from the South China Morning Post than a Dutch media "in this subject" for the apparent reason, accessibility to the source

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Would be nice to see China make like 100-200 J20/year even with WS-10 instead of ws-15

Is 1 J20 worth 2 J10's?

 

[White and Green with M/S]

If you can't stick to proper debate, you shouldn't be on forum. Stupid applies to you as only stupid can't stick to proper explanation with facts. If you talk like this in real world especially at work, you'll be receiving warning letter. Probably you did due to serious attitude issue

If the built in pod below radome is just IRST, then it's a disappointment because it looks like F-35 FLIR pod but just an oversized IRST.

Believe what you want, but fact and realities is that J-20 is pure air superiority jet with secondary strike capability, and your baseless assumption can't change that fact

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Would be nice to see China make like 100-200 J20/year even with WS-10 instead of ws-15

Oh my god do you know how expensive to produce 100/200 J-20/year even for west/China/Russia, this is impossible

 

[White and Green with M/S]

If you can't stick to proper debate, you shouldn't be on forum. Stupid applies to you as only stupid can't stick to proper explanation with facts. If you talk like this in real world especially at work, you'll be receiving warning letter. Probably you did due to serious attitude issue

If the built in pod below radome is just IRST, then it's a disappointment because it looks like F-35 FLIR pod but just an oversized IRST.

i am using logic and common sense unlike you that imposing forcefully your stupid assumptions and theories on others and tell me which air to ground weapons (long range hundred of kilometers) shown by CAC or PLAAF on J-20 Chinese version of small diameter bomb and LS-PGB can carried by J-20, and J-20 ETOS is also act as countermeasures against IR guided AAM, and look at you negative rating, my guess is you already received to many warning from MODS

 

[samsara]

TO MODS here:

@Deino @waz @BHarwana @LeGenD

I'd like to raise to the attention of all in moderating and administrative positions due to there are too many "low effort posts" even in the flagship military threads like J-20; Y-20; 00X/003 and so on.

This kind of problem is being tackled well in competing English-language forum like SDF

but the same situation cannot be said about this forum.

Therefore not only the quality of members and active posters play important factor differentiating the two forums, but also the rules and administrative efforts do affects the two -- thus they call themselves "prof" and here "fan-boys". There the ACTIVE mods are several -- ACTIVE for they are engaging in discussions there, thus response is quick. Here the active one is mostly Deino.

There, as its name stipulates, the "Sino or Chinese Defence subject" is the main feat, thus gets most or all resources.
Here, the "Chinese Defence subject" is just the minor part of the bigger subject.

With some members here at the posting binge throwing out all kinds of opinions at ease, without self-refrain efforts, due to lack of administrative actions, repeatedly, from one occasion to another, stirring annoying turbulence, will anyone in doubt that the quality of this Chinese section is deteriorating over time (vis-à-vis the American-owned SDF) ???

I hope mods will put attention and efforts to minimize those "low effort posts" include but not limited to the troublesome individual opinion push, even the ridiculous ones due to the lax administrative measures and attention given here.

Please take a look at above link to get some idea to rectify the overall, general situation in this section. Thing is unhealthy here, no wonder the quality is decreasing!

 

[Figaro]

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Would be nice to see China make like 100-200 J20/year even with WS-10 instead of ws-15

Is 1 J20 worth 2 J10's?

Yes. One J-20 is probably worth 10 J-10s to be honest, maybe even more.

 

[CIA Mole]

Yes. One J-20 is probably worth 10 J-10s to be honest, maybe even more.

Is Ws10 currently on par with al41?

Would that give j20 supercruise

 

[kungfugymnast]

Is Ws10 currently on par with al41?

Would that give j20 supercruise

Depends on its maximum military trust in thrust to weight ratio. If WS-10C could generate more than 20,000lb dry thrust per engine, with J-20 loaded take off weight around 60-70,000lb, it should be able to cruise faster than 1.2, 1.5 at high altitude. F-22 has about 23,000lb dry thrust per engine, with both engines having 46,000lb on 100% military thrust which is higher than F/A-18E maximum thrust with afterburner at 22,000lb each engine. EF2000 relies on lightweight carbon fiber to supercruise with medium size engines not more powerful than super hornet.

Until now, there's no confirmed specifications whether WS-10C maximum thrust on afterburner at 32,000lb or 35,000lb. Without actual data, we could do simple maths with general estimate on dry & reheat thrust difference at 10,000lb+ boundary.
- Earlier Su-27 engines thrust dry 17,0000lb, reheat 28,000lb each.
- F-15E engines thrust dry 18,000lb, reheat 29,000lb each.
- Su-35 at 19,000lb dry 32000lb reheat each.
- F-22 at 23,000lb dry, 35,000lb reheat each.
- J-20 if having 32,000lb reheat thrust, dry thrust could be 20-21,000lb if tuned higher. If it has 35,000lb, probably similar to F-22 or 1000-2000lb less?

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

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Would be nice to see China make like 100-200 J20/year even with WS-10 instead of ws-15

Is 1 J20 worth 2 J10's?

1 J-20 is worth 6 J-10 the way 1 Type 45 destroyer is worth 6 Type 42 destroyers.

 

[Deino]

1 J-20 is worth 6 J-10 the way 1 Type 45 destroyer is worth 6 Type 42 destroyers.

Can we stop with such plain stupid BS posts? ... and I promise you, if you try to expand your trolling here like you constantly do in other threads it will be only a short time here.

 

[Figaro]

Can we stop with such plain stupid BS posts? ... and I promise you, if you try to expand your trolling here like you constantly do in other threads it will be only a short time here.

But he was just answering this guy's question ...

Is 1 J20 worth 2 J10's?

 

[Deino]

But he was just answering this guy's question ...

But is it an answer if one says it is worth 2 and the next one tops this number with 6 and the maybe even 20?

These exaggerated numbers are nothing but unsubstantial fan-boy's claims but not true "answers" and as such exactly what @samsara wanted to avoid: the raising numbers of too many "low effort posts" even in the flagship military threads like J-20; Y-20; 00X/003 and so on.

 

[samsara]

But is it an answer if one says it is worth 2 and the next one tops this number with 6 and the maybe even 20?

These exaggerated numbers are nothing but unsubstantial fan-boy's claims but not true "answers" and as such exactly what @samsara wanted to avoid: the raising numbers of too many "low effort posts" even in the flagship military threads like J-20; Y-20; 00X/003 and so on.

Deino, the problem is some one will start the loop by throwing out some arbitrary xyz question to stimulate such kind of discussion in the flagship threads...

If you will reprimand the bait taker then you should do the same on the initiator as well

not sure if some are in agreement to stir up some commotion here... must keep on watching the names and patterns involved.

 

[Figaro]

But is it an answer if one says it is worth 2 and the next one tops this number with 6 and the maybe even 20?

These exaggerated numbers are nothing but unsubstantial fan-boy's claims but not true "answers" and as such exactly what @samsara wanted to avoid: the raising numbers of too many "low effort posts" even in the flagship military threads like J-20; Y-20; 00X/003 and so on.

I think the fault lies on the person asking the question in this case, as @samsara states.
Original question: Is 1 J20 worth 2 J10's?

 

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