Chengdu J-20 5th Generation Aircraft News & Discussions

[LKJ86]

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[ZeEa5KPul]

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78231. inb4 @Deino.

 

[GumNaam]

given J20's full stealth features along with the size of its massive, powerful engines, this aircraft is the quite literally the embodiment of the saying "they wouldn't know what hit 'em"...invisible on radar, it flies in from extremely high altitudes at extremely fast speeds, knocks out whatever the hell it wants to knock out either on land, sea or in the air and then disappears without the adversary even getting a chance of knowing what the hell happened on account of being undetected by any of its radars. pretty sure the f35 can't say the same due to its short legs. f22 is the only contender that can come close.

 

[Figaro]

Oi! @Deino, what is this shite?

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"Does not come close to a F-22" does it? Do you think F-22s have Romulan invisibility cloaks? I can buy that the J-20 needs a bit of kinematic oomph from the WS-15, and rear RCS needed cleaning up with nozzle serrations, but does not come close?

I would be actually very surprised if @Deino really said this. Most likely, the author of the article deliberately misquoted him, which was something that happened before IIRC.

given J20's full stealth features along with the size of its massive, powerful engines, this aircraft is the quite literally the embodiment of the saying "they wouldn't know what hit 'em"...invisible on radar, it flies in from extremely high altitudes at extremely fast speeds, knocks out whatever the hell it wants to knock out either on land, sea or in the air and then disappears without the adversary even getting a chance of knowing what the hell happened on account of being undetected by any of its radars. pretty sure the f35 can't say the same due to its short legs. f22 is the only contender that can come close.

This is not the primary role of the J-20 at all ... what you are describing is an ultra stealthy interceptor, which is not what the J-20 is. The J-20 has the same missions as the F-22, F-35, and Su-57.

 

[GumNaam]

I would be actually very surprised if @Deino really said this. Most likely, the author of the article deliberately misquoted him, which was something that happened before IIRC.

This is not the primary role of the J-20 at all ... what you are describing is an ultra stealthy interceptor, which is not what the J-20 is. The J-20 has the same missions as the F-22, F-35, and Su-57.

what I said is based on the observation that a friend of mine, a retired usaf colonel, made when the J20 was first revealed. I'm no expert so took what he said at face value which was that this bird is built to fly super high & super fast, go in, kill & get out without being found.

 

[White and Green with M/S]

This is not the primary role of the J-20 at all ... what you are describing is an ultra stealthy interceptor, which is not what the J-20 is. The J-20 has the same missions as the F-22, F-35, and Su-57.

F-35 is more intended to strike/CAS rather than a True air superiority jet Like F-22, China following a similar trends of USA make 2 stealth jets for different class and weights to perform different kinds of missions,
1- medium class and multirole (F-35)
2-Heavy class near purely air superiority Missions (F-22)

 

[White and Green with M/S]

what I said is based on the observation that a friend of mine, a retired usaf colonel, made when the J20 was first revealed. I'm no expert so took what he said at face value which was that this bird is built to fly super high & super fast, go in, kill & get out without being found.

Interception are old synonymous terms of modern Air superiority terms, but air superiority terms is more broad term than interception term, interception term is only for intercept enemy jets within the country which are defending its airspace, whereas air superiority term means your jet will go in or around enemy airspace and destroy the attacking defending or offending air superiority jets and clear the path for bombers and other strike packages,

prime example is that was the first gulf war where USAF's F-15/F-16 jets clear the paths for B-52/A-10/F-111 and other coalition strike packages

 

[Figaro]

what I said is based on the observation that a friend of mine, a retired usaf colonel, made when the J20 was first revealed. I'm no expert so took what he said at face value which was that this bird is built to fly super high & super fast, go in, kill & get out without being found.

Yes that was the prevailing assumption at the very beginning but now as @White and Green with M/S states, the J-20 is an air superiority fighter more similar to the F-22 than the F-35. The days of a true aerial interceptor you mention like the Mig 25 are long gone due to their lack of versatility. A fifth generation fighter must take on all types of roles, with air superiority being foremost.

 

[White and Green with M/S]

Yes that was the prevailing assumption at the very beginning

Where and when i said that J-20 will be have similar role to Mig-25??? i always said J-20 is more closer to F-22 than any other 5th gen jets (Su-57/F-35) ???

 

[Figaro]

Where and when i said that J-20 will be have similar role to Mig-25??? i always said J-20 is more closer to F-22 than any other 5th gen jets (Su-57/F-35) ???

I didn't say you ... I was referring to the prevailing assumption at the time, as Gunnam said his USAF friend suggested. I said that you stated the J-20 was closer to the F-22.

 

[Gomig-21]

You guys see those aerodynamic, bullet-like covers for the actuators on the flaps and ailerons? There's two on each wing one for each flap and one for each aileron, but then there's another one under the LERX?! It's a bit longer than the actuator covers but very similar. Any idea what that is for? Is it part of the landing gear doors or something associated with the landing gear? Or is it something else? Anyone know?

Never noticed that until recently. Not sure if it was always there or it was added relatively recently or what? Interesting spot for something like that.

 

[ozranger]

You guys see those aerodynamic, bullet-like covers for the actuators on the flaps and ailerons? There's two on each wing one for each flap and one for each aileron, but then there's another one under the LERX?! It's a bit longer than the actuator covers but very similar. Any idea what that is for? Is it part of the landing gear doors or something associated with the landing gear? Or is it something else? Anyone know?

Never noticed that until recently. Not sure if it was always there or it was added relatively recently or what? Interesting spot for something like that.

For containing part of the landing gear.

 

[ZeEa5KPul]

You guys see those aerodynamic, bullet-like covers for the actuators on the flaps and ailerons? There's two on each wing one for each flap and one for each aileron, but then there's another one under the LERX?! It's a bit longer than the actuator covers but very similar. Any idea what that is for? Is it part of the landing gear doors or something associated with the landing gear? Or is it something else? Anyone know?

Never noticed that until recently. Not sure if it was always there or it was added relatively recently or what? Interesting spot for something like that.

It's the canard actuator.

 

[Gomig-21]

For containing part of the landing gear.

That's what I thought. The reason we don't see it that often is because part of it only opens while the landing gear is folding in or out and then it closes immediately after. During that gear-folding few seconds is the only time I think you can see a portion of that open with the upper landing gear cover.

 

[LKJ86]

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