CGTN: What is China’s red line with the Taliban?

[Place Of Space]

Alternate question, what’s the Taliban’s red line with the Chinese Communist Party?

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[magra]

What do you mean by China enforcement?

Did UN appoints China as an enforcer?

China is kind of self-appointing itself by bringing Afghanistan under its sphere of influence.

For example, if we need to convince North Korea for anything, we go to China.
Or till now, for Taliban, we used to go to Pakistan. Or Iran/Russia for Syria etc.

 

[MH.Yang]

China is kind of self-appointing itself by bringing Afghanistan under its sphere of influence.

For example, if we need to convince North Korea for anything, we go to China.
Or till now, for Taliban, we used to go to Pakistan. Or Iran/Russia for Syria etc.

NO, the little fat man in North Korea didn't listen to China.
Do you think the Chinese people like this dictator with the banner of communism? And the little fat man likes to make trouble for us.
But he has the alliance treaty we signed 70 years ago. That was the agreement signed by our leader Mao Zedong. We can only protect him.

 

[magra]

NO, the little fat man in North Korea didn't listen to China.
Do you think the Chinese people like this dictator with the banner of communism? And the little fat man likes to make trouble for us.
But he has the alliance treaty we signed 70 years ago. That was the agreement signed by our leader Mao Zedong. We can only protect him.

He may or may not listen to China all the time but Chinese have the most influence on him than any other nation.

 

[MH.Yang]

He may or may not listen to China all the time but Chinese have the most influence on him than any other nation.

When China was preparing to cool down the trade war, the little fat man go to provoked trump and quarreled with trump. He screwed up the first round of negotiations. Do you still think he listens to China?

 

[313ghazi]

Drugs and terrorism.

Apart from these two things, everything else can be discussed.

This is it.

 

[magra]

When China was preparing to cool down the trade war, the little fat man go to provoked trump and quarreled with trump. He screwed up the first round of negotiations. Do you still think he listens to China?

He doesnt most of the times but China can tighten screws on North Korea like no other country can, since most of North Korea's trade is with China and it shares border with China.
China aided North Korea's creation. Without China & Russia, there would have been a capitalist united Korean nation.

 

[Verve]

Its not just a one-way one-time transaction of throwing heroin bags over the fence.
That heroin then gets transported all the way to the ports and then shipped to other countries.

So, there have to be a lot of collaborators on Pak side for this to go on smoothly for over 20 yrs.

These drugs are distributed inside India so there are a lot of collaborators on Indian side as well! It's Global Mafia who have the logistics chains in most countries.

 

[CAPRICORN-88]

China is kind of self-appointing itself by bringing Afghanistan under its sphere of influence.

For example, if we need to convince North Korea for anything, we go to China.
Or till now, for Taliban, we used to go to Pakistan. Or Iran/Russia for Syria etc.

Which is entirely two different things?

If a nation has good relafionship and diplomatic tie with another, it bounds to have some influential edge.
The good tie is developed and not appointed as you claimed e.g. China and Pakistan are described as ironclad brothers. Does that means China can interfere into Pakistan's internal affair?
Of Course, not.

North Korea's Kim respect for China is quite natural due to their historical ties. Korea used to be a semi-quasi state within the Middle Kingdom if one study history.

Moreover US Chinese President Xi treated the younger Kim with respects and understanding e.g Kim's dealing with the South Korea or Japan.
Let just says, Kim agreed with Uncle Xi.

However invasion or bombing violated the sovereignty of another state and that is against international law.
That is US based rules and order.
Example: US unilateral sanction is a pure violation of real International Law.

Only UN ICJ and ICCJ are considered as International Law.

Coming to Afghanistan, China's role remained passive adopting a wait and see attitude. I think Iran and Russia is more active in this aspect due to their former engagement with the Talibans.

 

[CAPRICORN-88]

He doesnt most of the times but China can tighten screws on North Korea like no other country can, since most of North Korea's trade is with China and it shares border with China.
China aided North Korea's creation. Without China & Russia, there would have been a capitalist united Korean nation.

It will really depends on who needs the other more.

Countries like North Korea, Cuba, Iran and Venezuela are dependent on China or Russia because of US sanctions.
Lift these bloody unilateral sanctions which are pretty useless anyway. And don't blame China or Russia.

With the emergence of alternative like CBPS, eYuan, US sanctions will be bound to be made irrelevant anyway and very soon USA infuence will no longer has any bearing over these nations.

So the lesson here is: Don't offend your bankers if you dependent upon them for your loans and overdrafts.

Australia and Lithuania are good examples of what nations like China can do when relationship soured.

China as its important buyer simply stopped its purchases.

Now both Australia and Lithuania economies will be badly affected.

Nations like South Korea, Vietnam, etc are smarter as they know how to maintain its equidistance between the rivaling superpowers.

 

[magra]

If a nation has good relafionship and diplomatic tie with another, it bounds to have some influential edge.
The good tie is developed and not appointed as you claimed e.g. China and Pakistan are described as ironclad brothers. Does that means China can interfere into Pakistan's internal affair?
Of Course, not.

China has a lot of leverage over Pakistan, and if interfering in Pak's internal affairs is in China's interest, China can definitely interfere. Remember Pakistan relies on China for UN veto support, FATF, loans, CPEC, satellite launches, intelligence sharing etc

However invasion or bombing violated the sovereignty of another state and that is against international law.
That is US based rules and order.
Example: US unilateral sanction is a pure violation of real International Law.

I am not supportive of US unilateral invasion of countries. I believe any military intervention should be mandated via UN.

Coming to Afghanistan, China's role remained passive adopting a wait and see attitude. I think Iran and Russia is more active in this aspect due to their former engagement with the Talibans.

I think China would have the most leverage over Taliban ruled Afghanistan as China has the deepest pockets. Iran would have a love-hate relationship due to ideological difference between Shia Iran and Sunni Taliban. Russia would have some role but it is too distant + historical baggage + less funds.

It will really depends on who needs the other more.

Countries like North Korea, Cuba, Iran and Venezuela are dependent on China or Russia because of US sanctions.
Lift these bloody unilateral sanctions which are pretty useless anyway. And don't blame China or Russia.

With the emergence of alternative like CBPS, eYuan, US sanctions will be bound to be made irrelevant anyway and very soon USA infuence will no longer has any bearing over these nations.

So the lesson here is: Don't offend your bankers if you dependent upon them for your loans and overdrafts.

Australia and Lithuania are good examples of what nations like China can do when relationship soured.

China as its important buyer simply stopped its purchases.

Now both Australia and Lithuania economies will be badly affected.

Nations like South Korea, Vietnam, etc are smarter as they know how to maintain its equidistance between the rivaling superpowers.

Sanctions work initially but once the countries adjust themselves to live under sanctions and does not mind the hardship, then it loses any further bargain potential.

Chinese import pressure might work on highly dependent economies like Australia. But such actions would work to deter potential partners who would know that overdependence on China is dangerous.

 

[MH.Yang]

China has a lot of leverage over Pakistan, and if interfering in Pak's internal affairs is in China's interest, China can definitely interfere. Remember Pakistan relies on China for UN veto support, FATF, loans, CPEC, satellite launches, intelligence sharing etc


I am not supportive of US unilateral invasion of countries. I believe any military intervention should be mandated via UN.


I think China would have the most leverage over Taliban ruled Afghanistan as China has the deepest pockets. Iran would have a love-hate relationship due to ideological difference between Shia Iran and Sunni Taliban. Russia would have some role but it is too distant + historical baggage + less funds.

Sanctions work initially but once the countries adjust themselves to live under sanctions and does not mind the hardship, then it loses any further bargain potential.

Chinese import pressure might work on highly dependent economies like Australia. But such actions would work to deter potential partners who would know that overdependence on China is dangerous.

1, It is China's diplomatic principle not to interfere in the internal affairs of other countries.
2, The friendship between China and Pakistan has been more than 70 years. China has never betrayed Pakistan, nor has it interfered in Pakistan's internal affairs, and will not interfere in the future. this is the Chinese style. Don't think of China as another USA.
3, China's attitude towards the Taliban is still wait-and-see. China has no ties with the Taliban, let alone influence, and China can only be regarded as a potential economic partner of the Taliban.
4, Since 108 BC, North Korea has been a subordinate country of China. In fact, this covenant has been more than 2000 years. Almost all Chinese dynasties have sent troops to save North Korea. The relationship between North Korea and China is very special. The Chinese don't like them, but the Chinese will help them.
5, China did not use economic and political relations to control North Korea. For example, North Korea once exported missiles to Vietnam. Although China was angry, but China did not stop it. North Korea has done many things that are not in China's interests. For example, when China is hostile to the Soviet Union, North Korea supports the Soviet Union. However, in any case, China has not stopped its assistance to North Korea and abandoned its covenant. China and North Korea are equal countries. We are only fulfilling our responsibilities and covenants.

 

[magra]

1, It is China's diplomatic principle not to interfere in the internal affairs of other countries.
2, China's attitude towards the Taliban is still wait-and-see. China has no ties with the Taliban, let alone influence, and China can only be regarded as a potential economic partner of the Taliban.
3, Since 108 BC, North Korea has been a subordinate country of China. In fact, this covenant has been more than 2000 years. Almost all Chinese dynasties have sent troops to save North Korea. The relationship between North Korea and China is very special. The Chinese don't like them, but the Chinese will help them.
4, China did not use economic and political relations to control North Korea. For example, North Korea once exported missiles to Vietnam. Although China was angry, but China did not stop it. North Korea has done many things that are not in China's interests. For example, when China is hostile to the Soviet Union, North Korea supports the Soviet Union. However, in any case, China has not stopped its assistance to North Korea and abandoned its covenant. China and North Korea are equal countries. We are only fulfilling our responsibilities and covenants.

Your post sound like you do everything for North Korea but they rarely listen to you, let alone doing something for you.
Every country works for its own interest first. Why is China in such anomolous relationship with North Korea?

 

[MH.Yang]

Your post sound like you do everything for North Korea but they rarely listen to you, let alone doing something for you.
Every country works for its own interest first. Why is China in such anomolous relationship with North Korea?

Historically, China has always done so. We are only upholding tradition and covenant.
In April 1592, the Japanese ruler Toyotomi Xiuji invaded Korea. The emperor of the Ming Dynasty sent General Li Rusong to help Korea defeat the Japanese army. Although the emperor knew that the war would seriously worsen the already bad finances of the Ming Dynasty, the Ming emperor still chose to participate in the war. 35 years later, in 1627, the Ming Dynasty led to a peasant rebellion because of a serious financial crisis. Finally, the Ming Dynasty perished in this rebellion.
In September 1894, the modernized Japanese army invaded Korea. Although the Qing emperor of China knew that he would lose the war, he still chose to participate in the war.
......
China is a Confucian society. There is such a part of Confucian thought:

昔者曾子谓子襄曰：‘子好勇乎？吾尝闻大勇于夫子矣。自反而不缩，虽褐宽博，吾不惴焉；自反而缩，虽千万人，吾往矣。’ ----------<孟子>

It meant that a Confucian should keep his promise and not betray his responsibility. Even if there are many difficulties, even if you are bound to fail, even if thousands of people are blocking you, you should fulfill your commitments and responsibilities at all costs.

Since ancient times, China has been the core country of Confucian civilization.
If China does not follow the Confucian code of conduct, other Confucian countries will not follow it, and the Chinese civilization cannot be inherited to the present.
Look at Egypt, Babylon, Greece, Persia and other great ancient civilizations, they all died, but we are still alive. It has a reason.

 

[CAPRICORN-88]

Taliban Says "China Our Most Important Partner, Ready To Invest": Report
Taliban spokesperson Zabihullah Mujahid said the group supports China's One Belt, One Road initiative.
September 03 2021

Peshawar:
Describing China as its "most important partner", the Afghan Taliban has said it looks to Beijing to rebuild Afghanistan and exploit its rich copper deposits as the war-ravaged country faces widespread hunger and fears of an economic collapse.

Taliban spokesperson Zabihullah Mujahid said the group supports China's One Belt, One Road initiative that seeks to link China with Africa, Asia and Europe through an enormous network of ports, railways, roads and industrial parks.

"China is our most important partner and represents a fundamental and extraordinary opportunity for us because it is ready to invest and rebuild our country," Geo News quoted Mujahid as saying in an interview to an Italian newspaper on Thursday.

There are "rich copper mines in the country, which, thanks to the Chinese, can be put back into operation and modernised. In addition, China is our pass to markets all over the world," said Zabihullah Mujahid.

China has been making some positive statements towards the Taliban and has expressed the hope that its dreaded cadre will follow moderate and prudent domestic and foreign policies, combat all forms of terrorist forces, live in harmony with other countries, and live up to the aspiration of its own people and the international community.

Stating that China respects Afghanistan's sovereignty and will not interfere and follow the friendship with "entire Afghan people", Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Wang Wenbin said on Tuesday that, "facts show that in realising economic development we need an open inclusive political structure, implementation of moderate foreign and domestic policies and clean break from terrorist groups in all forms".

The Taliban also view Russia as an important partner in the region and will maintain good relations with Moscow, Zabihullah Mujahid said.