Capability Enhancement for Indian Air Force Jaguar Fleet with MBDA ASRAAMs

[CONNAN]

+1

jags and mig-27s ain`t bombers in truest sense, they are deep strike fighter bombers.

My only wish is that wateva we chose for mrca, should have a decent , proven A2G capability.

typhoon and Rafale fits for the job

 

[sancho]

Jaguar DARIN III making it a full 4th generation deep strike fighter. ASRAAM is one of the best short range AAM in the world, it will certanly enhyance the capability of Jags.

Fourth gen requires BVR capability to be a multi role fighter, but even the upgraded Jags won't fit in here.

They are not the best bombers, they are the only bombers India uses besides Mig-27.

Bombing capabilities of Mirage 2000 and MKI are way better than these Jaguars, and the record of these Jaguars isn't any good. The Jaguars have a LOT of limitations. It would be better if we retire them soon along with all the Mig-27s.

The problem is, that most of the licence produced are still pretty new, I read somewhere that the last was inducted in the around 2000, which leaves still a lot of life in them, but just as you said, with several limitations as well. That's why they will be retired only around 2025, with AMCA, or better AURA UCAV, but if I'm not wrong, their performance in terms of quality and reliability is better compared to the Mig 27 right?

Imo, IAF made a mistake in rearm the Jaguar IMs with Harpoon, instead of using MKIs, or MMRCAs in that role. The aim should be ro upgrade only as less Jags as possible and replace the rest with additional MMRCAs, to increase the number of real fighters (useful in air combats) in IAF.

 

[GORKHALI]

Jaguar is DSPA , because it flies close to ground for longer range evading ground radars and carryin strike package is its specific role with Air superiorty aircraft escorting ... Now with Asraam is in invertory it might do this job alone... End of story

 

[jagjitnatt]

Jaguar is DSPA , because it flies close to ground for longer range evading ground radars and carryin strike package is its specific role with Air superiorty aircraft escorting ... Now with Asraam is in invertory it might do this job alone... End of story

I highly doubt that. With just stations for 2 missiles, and that too short range. And 90% of our Jaguars don't even have radars. Only a handful are equipped with a radar, and that too is primarily an anti-shipping role radar, with partial air-air function.

With PAF upgrading F-16s with BVR and induction of JF-17, I don't think Jaguar can cut it in today's age.

 

[FNFAL]

Jaguar is DSPA , because it flies close to ground for longer range evading ground radars and carryin strike package is its specific role with Air superiorty aircraft escorting ... Now with Asraam is in invertory it might do this job alone... End of story

umm with a very conventional short range infrared weapon like aasram i would'nt exactly say it would rise to the standards of a fighting eagle.
It would still need an aircraft with a decent A2A capability to defend her from modern aerial threats

 

[jagjitnatt]

The problem is, that most of the licence produced are still pretty new, I read somewhere that the last was inducted in the around 2000, which leaves still a lot of life in them, but just as you said, with several limitations as well. That's why they will be retired only around 2025, with AMCA, or better AURA UCAV, but if I'm not wrong, their performance in terms of quality and reliability is better compared to the Mig 27 right?

Yes, Jaguars fare better than Mig-27 on various counts. Most of the times people go by the paper specs to compare aircraft which is the dumbest thing one can do. In real world usage, the scenario can be completely different. Same is the case with Jaguar and Mig-27. The Jaguar is a better aircraft any day.

 

[rockstarIN]

^^ it is good once we achieve air superiority for strike role.

Do not forget Americans drop the plan of retiring A-10 Thunderbolts once they see its action in war zone.

 

[sancho]

Jaguar is DSPA , because it flies close to ground for longer range evading ground radars and carryin strike package is its specific role with Air superiorty aircraft escorting ... Now with Asraam is in invertory it might do this job alone... End of story

Jags with Assram have limited self defense capabilities, but no BVR capability at all as jagjitnatt explained. It will need escort for sure and that's the big disadvantage it offers for IAF in this decades and that's also why MMRCA should add a fighter with good strike capabilities, to not rely on these limited capable Jags only.

^^ it is good once we achieve air superiority for strike role.

Do not forget Americans drop the plan of retiring A-10 Thunderbolts once they see its action in war zone.

A10 is a different kind of strike fighter, because it can fly at low speeds and is very maneuverable in this area as well. These capabilities makes it excellent for CAS, be it with PGMs, missiles, or even it's heavy gun.

 

[luckyyy]

what is the name of MBDA ASRAAM going to put on Jaguar ...

 

[GUNS-N- ROSES]

When will they retire them?????????

plan is to use them till 2025.

with jaguar upgrade coming in it should be able to match up to other strike aircrafts.

but i think there is an unrgent need for power plant upgrade. the adour engines should be changed with some engine with better power and maintainability.

 

[GUNS-N- ROSES]

jaguar and mig 27 serves different roles for indian air force. Mig 27 is essentially a high speed strike aircraft. it is the only available swing wing strike aircraft.

jaguar is a deep penetration strike aircraft. it specialises in low level strike. its manoeuverability and speed are not as good as mig-27. but in strike role it outperforms mig-27 any day.

host of avionics upgrade including INGPS is planned to be installed in jaguar upgrade. once these are done, the potency of jaguar will be increased. however air force needs to undertake power plant upgrade on top priority.

 

[KS]

Please highlight few of those glaring limitations...b/w i know the buzz these days is multi-role but don't you think dedicated strategic bombers are still need of the hour for iaf???

I guess MKI can in some sense be called a fighter-bomber given its deep strike capability. And we are going to have 270 of those beasts.

But I would personally love to have Su-34s in our Airforce. True Monsters.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

Yes, Jaguars fare better than Mig-27 on various counts. Most of the times people go by the paper specs to compare aircraft which is the dumbest thing one can do. In real world usage, the scenario can be completely different. Same is the case with Jaguar and Mig-27. The Jaguar is a better aircraft any day.

Adding on to what others and you have said.

A pertinent point to note is that the Jaguar is a creation of a time when operational doctrine of the operating Air Forces was different. It was intended to operate in tandem with other aircraft giving top cover.
Some of the doctrines and requirements have changed since then not all. With the IAF, the Jaguar can still perform an attack role albeit with cover. Lack of a search radar is an issue, but not too major if you configure in interceptor support (which was always there) and AWACs and data-linked info (which is there now).

IMO, it will be better if the Jaguars are progressively transferred to the IN for a maritime role. They will excel in this application, fitted as they are with an excellent Navattack system (with upgrades). Fitting a radar like the Agave will help optimise them for the task. In that role, the threat from the air will be minimal, while they are adequately armed for the ASh role. In any case the MBDA missile will suffice for air threats. Re-engining the aircraft is not a critical requirement. AAR capability is more useful as it exists. The datalink with AWACs and LRMR or other MR aircraft is a must (AFAIK, its there). Then the Jaguar will be very useful in a lease of life.

 

[ganimi kawa]

what is the name of MBDA ASRAAM going to put on Jaguar ...

The name is ASRAAM itself.

AIM-132 Advanced Short Range Air-to-Air Missile. (ASRAAM)